#77 The Way of Excellence with Author Brad Stulberg

In this conversation, I’m joined by author and human performance expert Brad Stulberg to explore identity diversity, mastery, and what it really means to build a sustainable, meaningful career. We discuss the concept of the identity house, what it means to feel one's way to skill attunement, core values, process vs product, and how presence and flow are at the heart of mastery.This episode is especially relevant for surgeons and high-achievers who have poured everything into one role and are wondering how to prevent burnout without giving up ambition.We Talk About:The Identity HouseThe idea that we all live in an identity house with multiple rooms (e.g., surgeon, parent, artist, athlete, writer)Why having multiple rooms matters: if one room floods or burns down, the entire house doesn’t collapseNot all identity rooms are the same size, and we don’t need to spend equal time in eachYou can spend most of your day in one “room”—the key is not letting the others get moldyThe concept of minimum effective dosing for neglected parts of identityWhy it’s never too late to renovate your identity home, even if you’ve lived only in the “surgeon room” for yearsCore Values as Burnout PreventionWhy defining core values is the first step in preventing burnout and moral injuryResearch-backed values associated with long-term well-being: Autonomy, mastery, belongingTwo distinct types of burnout:Career vs. Week ThinkingThe danger of optimizing for a “successful week” instead of a successful careerHow ego convinces us we’re more indispensable than we areThe liberating truth: the world keeps turning without usMastery, Presence, and the Craft of Surgery“Feeling our way to excellence” and how it intersects with see one, do one, teach oneThe universal mastery trajectory: Simple → Complex → SimpleWhy what looks “simple” is actually hundreds of unconscious micro-stepsThe four stages of competence:: unconscious incompetence, conscious incompetence, conscious competence, unconscious competence (the apex of excellence)Why many high-achievers get stuck in conscious competence (or try to skip steps)Presence, intimacy with craft, and why the best moments (like a first kiss) are thoughtlessProcess Over ProductSeeing your work as a craft, not just a jobIdentifying the right goals without obsessing over themThe danger of outcome fixationWhy process is what sustains excellence over timeIntensity, Rest, and RenewalThe nuance of “going all in” without “going all the time”Stimulus + rest = recoveryHow intensity and joy are not opposites, but partnersJoin Empowered Surgeons Group here.Find Brad Stulberg and his incredible books here.