Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, listening to the all-time podcast special show tonight. We've been invited to North Shore B&W, I'm here with Ross Kaleidus, go to Ross, my brother, George, join us, go to George. I'm currently back from Holidays, and I'm back from Holidays, and I'm from Brantford Berry, from North Shore B&W, and I'm the director of Special Night. We looked at the launch of the BMW M3 M4 G80 series.
Is that right? Would you call him brothers, sisters, brother and sister? We're trying to go. Hopefully not, bro.
It's still got that one kissing upstairs. Nah, I don't want that kiss. Skyward tradition. It's funny.
Still obviously any of those guys. I think he's. I might say the pop out, to start what music. What do you think, Brant?
I love it. I love it. I think that it is a very polarising design. I think that what BMW would try and do is not be same-sy with their model cars, and that is just unreal.
For too long they've all been kind of the same, it's just a vast version of the other. But to have these is a real step out, angry, this is an M3, and this is an M4 again, I think is wonderful. Whereas before you could get, I'm going to say a little bit of an M8 series, you could buy a 3-1-1-8, a 3-1-8-1-8-1-8-1-1-8, but pretty much make it look like the internet, right? I'll make it look like with a set of wheels.
Absolutely. So you're only supposed to say that? I'm thrilled. Because for too long it's just been like one, but an M3 looks like whatever.
It's just everything's so say-in-the-sainsy. Having some difference in design is fantastic. As you look at it, we're looking at a picture of one now, of being the one from Eric's site, you can really see how they've tried to stretch their nose with their design with a bonnet screw, and they're looking at front of them, it looks much longer than it is. And they can't really saw that headlight level.
Just a razor podcast. So can everyone see? It's fantastic. And this bit here, I really like.
That's absolutely my favourite. I like the way you just turned it around. Yeah, this is amazing. But the more you look at it, the more you look at it, the more it's got a peel.
It's got a presence. Yeah, 100%. It's got a presence. And we'll talk in a quick chat earlier, I thought I was going to talk about it.
When you put a microphone, when you put a number plate on it, when you put a number plate on it, it sort of brings it back into perspective. I don't know if the designers realise it and not play with go there. But, you know, that's it. It's funny.
When you look at the, I was building an four-series in a vertical, a couple of nights back on the line. And I just did 440. And I was using the North American configurator, and you don't have to have number plates in the front. On the front.
So I built the car and kind of looked awkward without one. And then I jumped into the UK very knob and had looked at some press photos. They're not the configurator. And the car looked so much more complete in the normal four-series with another plate than I did without.
But now I'm staring at this picture of the M4. It just looks angry as it's buggery without the plate on there. We have to work out where we can either put one down here, for the viewers at home, one point at the bottom left hand, the other one at the end. Yeah, the old one, five, one, four, seven.
One, one, five, five, seven, one, five, five, five, nine. All we do is we do is a small one right down the bottom. Which one is supposed to go? I get another plate modification on the front.
People go, I mean, if you see me, she did it. That comes in, we can bottom it. Yeah, that's cool. But it's a bit she did on the left.
Yeah, yeah. Then Alfred and I did it because they couldn't fit on them. I think Robert had a full shot. They forgot that they were on the right side.
No, just say we need another plate. We've got a full shot. We've got a full shot. No, no, no, no.
I said he's a screwdriver. You work it out. The details are fixed. But I think a number plate on the front of the car looks good.
It's supposed to be there. It looks good. Yeah, it's supposed to be there for cameras. That's all.
Yeah, but I don't think they look good on the front of cars. Yeah, but the car design, the whole thing blows me away. Just sit there and look at it. I haven't really pulled the M4 apart yet.
Those bonnet creases, and the look that you can see there. They just stretch that whole nose and just give the car so much presence in front of it. And there's not another three series or four series that look like that car. And that's probably the thing that actually excites me the most about it.
There's nothing else in BMW's range that will look like an M3 that's not an M3. And not like the old cars, all the cars are changing the front of the car. You grab the wing mirrors and the badge on the back and you've got people plugging around. I haven't seen the four series properly.
Does it look like that? No. The four series has a different color. So what's the color from?
It's a very good podcast. It's a very good podcast. So you've got a BMW tell-when you're telling me that the four says completely different. So you've got different different sizes.
It's different sizes. It should be a little bit different. It doesn't have the sunken badge on the stretch nose. It's got the same rear.
It has got for the beat, the nostril. But the M4 gives it depth with the crease lines of the bonnet. It's not a new bonnet. But it started the car upstairs.
It's lost its work. It started. It's a pre-production cast. It started.
But it didn't have the rumble that the... Didn't sound angry. If 80 had no, but we were discussing before. If you had an M5 competition from say 2019, you know, that car is not.
That car is not. Because finally, the F4 looks. No, no, no. We're not the same.
I have all the different. So there's no, no, no. Because a lot of people say it doesn't have it. There's no F4.
You'll see I. Yes. Yes. Cool.
We'll go ahead and have a good minute. But people are saying now, when they're taking the 2019s in four servers, and they're doing the updates, and they're getting quieter. It's making you quiet. What?
What? What? What's going on? Most often will be legislate.
But people not. They're going to go. They're not wanting to do the same. They're going to get the snap crack on the pop.
And everyone coming down to the store sound like a RS3 with an exhaust on it. And now they're going to service it now. It sounds like mine. So you can download through the app.
The take-nines from the inside though. So I can still send it inside the car. It's just quiet outside. Really?
Yeah. So it's just a bit like you're on the phone. I don't want any of you coming. I don't want any of you coming.
So look, it is frustrating when you look at it. It's a bit like your iPhone. You do an update and you lose something that you like to change to now your apps. So we've got a spot.
It's just a vaults, right? We're old and we don't much change. Young people like changing you and different stuff. And there's someone driving an M5.
What does that look like? I don't know. It's probably not many drivers. Some of them when they're in full noise angry, they'd like it.
But you don't buy an M5 as a day to day scream up and down the street. You buy an M5. You have the means to buy one. And you want all of the joys that comes with a twin-turve eights on your engine.
But you want to be under the radar. I know that. But if I, my car was just an added X3M4. Yes.
Pull the gas off that. Yeah. You know what? It's an app record.
That's the signal for that car. They want that noise and that feedback. In the 3. In the next 3.
In the next 3. I've lost that now as well. Just because everything's evolving. Yeah.
I haven't read that it has. I would be very surprised if the reality of an M3 when it's here or an M4 when it's here. Under noise under load at 3.5 grand. Wasn't angry and backing it off and having all of the audible bliss that you'd like to see.
All of the audible bliss that you get out of any woodcar at those sorts of ribs. That's what I miss in my car. That's what I miss in my car. Compared to the heavily-known 3.0 unit.
That was a car that was modified. Yeah. Right. So you reckon I was using all of that?
Yeah. You might have something to do with it? Okay. Maybe.
So I'm making you think of a very experienced right? Most of being W drivers and most drivers in general want to have the ability to want to offer. They want to have comfort mode, drive it one hand, relax through the track. And then go sports mode, sports individual mode, open up everything, go angry, scare the world.
But the thing is, you're not going to be able to do it. You're not going to be able to do it. No drivers in general want to have the ability to want to offer it. They want to have comfort mode, drive it one hand, relax through the track.
And then go sports mode, sports individual mode, open up everything, go angry, scare the world. But they're going to do that three or four times a year. Not you. No, you're not.
You're the opposite. But that's you. How many water controls have you done? Am I selling the car?
No, I'm selling the car. What if you've done? How long have you lost? 9,000 cars and you need to set up tires and brakes?
Are we done with tires and brakes? You've only done tires and brakes? Yeah. Oh, no, 10,000 cars.
No, 9,000. Oh, I've lost it. Yeah. That's what you're an enthusiast.
You love them. I love you too. I was just more embarrassed about it. So, you know, it's divided because a lot of people, sort of, are happy that the crackers are in the capture bar.
Go back again to change when you think of the 911, which is the most coveted sports car of all the sports cars have ever. Nothing a lever touch it. It's as good as it gets always will be. Think about the anger around what it's called to be called.
The current 911 is a bit more reliable than the other ones are. Yeah, if it's 20 years ago, it was 1,9,3,9,6. They should have skipped the 9,6. That's the funny.
True. Silver, silver, silver. No, that's just a funny. It was all the way.
It was the right color, right? Anyway, so I think you've got to look at technologies and all those sorts of things as a moving target. It's always changing. The devil is not bits yet.
Like, you know, I drive 6,5,5,7. I'm so lucky I get to jump in and all of these things. When I hop into a BMW that's got the previous generation of I drive in, I drive with a mental. Because I just get my car.
This is killing me. I can't. I don't know how it was. I drive 7.
I drive 6, but I drive 6. Yeah, gotcha. Right, and it's the same with all of these sorts of bits. So you'll still be able to get an M3 and M4.
And turn all the noise up and have the time of your life and scare every child that you want to. And have a ball. But you also have that hazard side of being able to come up at one hand drive traffic early driver. And that's where an M3 and M4 has always, and an M5 for that matter.
There's always had it over the others. Okay. You can hit your camo. Yeah, you can program that too.
It's off the go. Or angry. Or angry or really angry. Which is what I want.
That's three of four. The ability to customise all of those things makes the experience more personable unless everyone has to drive like Ross all the time versus I'm from the office and I think I'm Ross, I want to be relaxed because I'm a visual. It's 2am and I just want to know how to turn it to. I'll strike the knife.
I'm going back to tonight, 10, 3 and 4. So the difference between the F series and the G series, they look very similar in the easier. I know, but we're getting all the drive with this model. Not yet.
You will be. So I think that it's funny, I mean there's another great example of technology shifting. That BMW, the head engineer 20 years ago, said if you can't get the power out of a car without a turbo charge, you're not going to be an engineer. And now every model of BMW range, it's never been with it.
With it, with it, with it, with it when how he was up and coming with all drive. And from all drive. He's going to do all of that, it's terrible technology. Pure as for every wood drive.
Now we'll look at the evolution of game. I'll listen to that. I'll say that all wheel drive does have its advantages. I definitely can't.
The reality, I had a customer in here today that actually ordered it in your own street to that getting out of an old one. And for him, he's sort of lucky to have driven his car at 40%, 50% of what it's capable of. And we have a lot of people who are more confident that they should be with their driving. And things like all wheel drive, say it's accidents.
It's say people, particularly in my performance cars, of doing rapid things around the tree. Do you want me to try? No, I don't want them to. Those hard cars can pop up.
I'm nowhere. They can. Trees, poles. They're so active, they're running everywhere.
And then S.O.S. buttons, strikes. They're straight to the course on any deal. And then everyone's claiming no time.
Didn't they? But it came. But it worked. It was interesting.
It was a response. They called through and they thought it was fantastic. So you've got some automatic features with that. And you've got any of your events that are deployed.
That'll act automatically. And it'll call through and if they can't get you better send everyone. And then with the NTFS, they can't get a hold of you. They'll try a couple of times.
And they figured that something's best shaped if you're not answering. And they just send everyone. All right, Sam, I'll show you things. Yeah.
And a getaway car. If you had a drink or two. Someone that came and bought a car before he tried. What are you talking about?
Sam, how do you exhaust the scared? I'm not a driven attack. Talk about technology. So you know, BMW, you've got the S.
I've got the S. I've got the S. I've got the S. I've got the S.
I've got the S. I've got the S. I've got the S. I've got the S.
I've got all that stuff. I was in the car today. Hit the button and for the life of me, I was driving on the freeway. I didn't have the combination of punching.
You can't punch in the details where you're going. Oh, you can make a concierge if you do. The bottom is the down-rope. You hit the button and see.
It sounds like it. It sounds like my life. You're in it here. I'm like, no, no.
I'm not like. It's a great. I said I need to get to this place. With the car, yeah.
The high-spec cars have it as standard for three years and you can renew it from there but it is a wonderful thing. I use it a lot with meetings if I'm going to somewhere. I'm the building I'm going to but won't know where I can park in the city. So, it's like I can't go to Euncy and the main city is the one I have the biggest way of paying Santa through you.
They can sit on the phone too if you're on a long drive to keep your company. Really? Yeah? I'm going to start.
Can I talk for an hour for nothing? Sorry? Sorry? Sorry.
Sorry. Don't leave here. Sorry. Sorry.
Sure. I'm going to try to make a few more comments. I'm going to try to make a few more comments. Can we borrow one of the podcast?
He's got it. So, there have been a lot of concierge to take a look. Call centres in Manila have been running them for a while and they do an sensational job. Really fantastic.
They've never called up a while ago and as you know, it calls people to angolise their voice, their names, pick their own, right? So I found out this one time when I get to school and no word of a lie. Her name is Baby. Baby.
Hello, thank you for calling. This is Baby. Hi, baby. How about this conversation?
Hello, sir. Thank you for calling. I'm going to help you. So, I've been spending about 5 minutes on this phone call saying baby is many times so cool.
Feeling so inappropriate but hilarious and she was just loving it. So friendly, wonderful service. I don't think she actually made it. I'm sure she did get it.
She must have gotten it. I'm going to help you, baby. I'm going to help you, baby. Oh, certainly, sir.
I can't think of this fantastic baby. Thank you so much, baby. And baby, can you do another thing for me, baby? It's me.
I'm going to sleep now, baby. Can you just read me a story, baby? Up on the line. You know, like all your book stars.
Yeah. Really good. It's where 50 chance of a baby. Chapter 1.
Page 1. Kick off. 10 hours to a milver. Yeah.
I found a showing. Yeah. Baby. We got down, baby.
I want to get 80Ks. A lot of road works. We got a lot to get through here together. Oh, what a run flight.
Yeah. Maybe I can get the drive through. Do you want me, baby? Yeah.
It was hilarious. Yeah. You have three, hasn't that? I guess.
I'm not sure if baby can like it. We might get a Chanel or a Chanel or something. Yes. And then the very one I should acquire.
That's it. I had an Indonesian man that used to go in. He's name was Humphrey. Humphrey.
Humphrey. Humphrey. What did you do? Hands on?
My dad, when I came here in Australia, they were watching Dibbyville. Humphrey. Humphrey. They changed the market later.
They kept up with me. They kept up with me. Yeah. I can get over there.
And the heretic guys. We can't. Yeah. But do you think they've changed enough of the M3?
M4 looks like a Mustang. M3. M3. It just looks like it looks like it looks like it looks like we're not going to change the roof on the boat and you can't just put their old roof from the old ones dick on the M1.
I can't put its own. You can never. It's very familiar. It's a true.
There's a series. It's here, it's here, it's here, it's here. So you've got to have evolution. And when you're going to polarise aspects of the case, you still have to have the familiar.
Because if they went ground up, everything completely batched differently. Really? From what it was, you're just going to ostracise all of the people who loved it. You're still going to have bits of, this is a big deal.
That's why I look at it in C to the F8. Sure, you're going to be going to the F10. Like on the F10, the five series versus the current F15 versus the G5 in the X5. You look at it and go there, it's slightly different.
And again, back to the 911. It's done since day one. The end car's made different dashes. The end car's made different dashes.
The end car's made different dashes. They used to have different dashes. And for once, that screen is that like, Mised? It is under Mised, yes.
So what, is it like lap time and stuff? Or is it the same? You can get an M-Performance, you can get an M-Sport plus or a drive, a pack or something that can have all your lappies and stater. Lapp times, not lapies.
It's still a traditional dial along the board. Yes, but it's different from a standard one. You can't put sport, sport plus, and all those things you'll have as the generic. But then you've got your full M-Oids, which change different.
You've changed every time you press a bike. Yeah, you've changed every time you press a bike. You've started using my car reduced mode on the dash. Oh, what's that?
What's that? It's actually, there's so much info ahead of you. At night's time? 24-7.
And if you put on a reduced mode, you just get the speed that you're on, the revs that you're on, all of the other stuff disappears. You don't have all the cluster all over this place. And it's so clean and lovely. I've just started using that in the last two or three weeks.
I drive just into displays and settings, things from a cluster, reduced mode. Stavios. Stavios. Never do that.
I think I've turned something up. You're supposed to do that. Well, no, the old thing. The BE hold, and I'll give you a trick.
I used to be able to put on, like this night's time, you press the two buttons on the clock or something together. And everything would turn off, except for the speed, and any warning lights. Yeah, start getting everything. There you go.
Everything, everything you just have the speed, and if a warning light came on, it'd come up. Yeah. The side would black out of the dash, except for the speed. The medium.
Oh, so that's good. That's a good thing. I really find that night on the freeway. That's not what I like.
That's not what I like. But you can also do your dim for night driving on your engine. I've got that. That's not enough.
It's still just so much. But you can turn off everything. And you can set up a user mode. You can probably program a preset that just turns it off.
Or you just say, hey, you turn off the sensor screen. Turn it off, and put on a juice phone. Is that an i-turn off? Is that an i-turn off?
I don't know. I've got a seven or seven. I think we can't get past this. What have you called your cast?
Snow white. No white. If I get in your cast, I say, hey, Snow white. Maybe over here.
Snow white. Yeah. It's temporary, ladies. She's doing a job.
It's pretty well. Thank you for coming. It's a biggie. Hey, hey, hey.
Hey, baby. Hey, baby. Hey, baby. We've got the seven.
It's a biggie. We've got the same. We've got the same. We've got the same.
We've got the same. Hey, baby. We've got the same. We've got the same.
Hey, baby. We've got the same. It's a biggie. I've got the same.
You know how many people around the world would have asked for their camping five seats? It's a Lilio, mate. Why? Why do you guys have Never given up it?
It's not far away. It's not as a Lilio anymore. It's really an exit. It's all tough.
A car jump between long journeys and Europe, so we're getting on a plane and taking kids on long trips. So you think about those are those sorts of cars. You go from Munich to Paris. Munich to Paris, you're not going to take your keys, Munich to Paris if you're running the everywhere-good meeting.
Someone drive it, or you drive it? Someone drives it? Or you can sit in the back, or you drive it? Yeah, sit in the back and you keep working, you've got three productive hours that they built up a highway 250K.
And you do your meeting and you come back again and you have productive a whole lot? Magic, worker, you've got to have the 12-cylinder in, who doesn't buy it. There's no talk of that. Yeah, everyone will get rid of it.
100%. But I don't know the three-12. Does that mean these cars are going to come available as you come up? No, we're expensive to repair.
Obviously, the lessons between those sorts of technologies that have not come up available, it's just a die tick. You think back to the 90s and the twin tank, the 12-jaguars, great cars that way. Yeah, smooth. It sounded great.
Smooth as anything. They went through the doors. What's that you said to me about? I'm answering you, Jack.
You look at classic cars. You look at cars now and you see the old mastenas. Because what are we all going to look at? You're shutting your car from when you're again, you go, that's cool.
It's a ten-year-old poster. What do we all look at? Do we all look at it? No, we're getting contact.
We're all up at the gate. Great. And then there's a black and a white car. And the yellow rough, yes.
That was the other one. All the Ferrari tester Ross up. Yeah. Then he had the Don Johnson with the car.
The Daytona that they had was better. They had a car that I rock. Sorry. I'm sorry.
The car. The car. The car. The car.
The car. The car. The car. The car.
The car. The car. The car. The car.
The car. The car. The car. The car.
The car. So, this is the car that you would buy the car at that point. It's very turned off. It's Wattnallic rather than anti-ops,cienide.
It's what you call better, if I invest that on. It's not funny. I'm going to start with the vehicle. It's a lot better.
It's the car for you guys. It's a great car to buy it. I want some of it's still over. To buy it.
I want to start with a car. Just think for what you have on camera. Okay. The car now says to the car if you gonna be regular, you can only buy what you have on camera.
You can only buy it because you already buy it on camera. See. You can see that cars. So, you can only buy it only on camera.
For the quick beard. what a marketing person always wants to be on. 10 year old boy, what car can you get on their bedroom, what was their car? So the GTO Falcon, four of all go fast, they make 400 of the things that they could compete in Babbest.
The GTO, yeah. So once just over 400 grand, it needs 200 people to make it nice. Falcon, like what kind of crazy person does that? But do you know who the bar that would have been?
Someone who was 10 years old when that car came out. He's been successful. And now he's 65 years old, he goes, you know what, otherwise when he will, I'll take it. There's no sense of a lot of logic to it.
But that guy will be sitting at home. He's always one of one. He's always one of one. And now he can ride a check.
So that's the trick with these cars. Is if you want to invest in one of these things, you're going to find the hottest car that a 10 year old wants to be able to sit on it or use the light of the white car. You just mean out a Lamborghini Contache in white or the Ferrari Testerosa. A bite and a half of it.
Gosh, it's a shit car. Two of them. I was a waker. It's a horrible car.
It's a horrible car. You can't see anything in your first part. The one car in the garage. Oh my god, I'll eat a drink back.
And I can't have it. And what kind of feeling would that give you? You feel great. But that's what cars do, right?
But then you've got the other cars, like the Ferraris from the 60s now that are like art. Yeah, but that's a slightly different argument. You didn't have a kid in 1970 didn't have a 250 GJ that's a bit more. But that's art, yeah.
That's a whole different like, you know, when you look at those things and see what they sell for, that's, you know. It's good enough to work out freaking work back then. Because there's a lot of money. No, opposite.
So if you, there was some acts that there's a paper around somewhere looking and investing in gold then versus buying that Ferrari and how much more money you'd have now if you went to spend, I think, a 250 GJ was 5500 pounds or something when it came out. Yeah, 60s. Yeah. That's more than a cost per house.
Yeah, big money. But that was the dollar value. If you went and got the 5500 pounds with gold, or you bought that car, what do you think? We would like to say, oh, you got it for sure.
You know, that's 10, so 42 million. Yeah, 42 million US dollars. But who is that? That's the best house.
No, no, no different than that. I think, I mean, if you always think, yeah, it's cool and all of that. But I don't know if that was a car, why that car? It was not Toyota.
It was an engine. Yeah, it was Toyota. It was cool. There was something.
Yeah. But that car, the Daytona, the 250 GT, got 40. Yeah, car, the four of those. The three of those.
The four of those. Yeah, they're a little bit more common than the 250 GT. The 250 is a really great one in the racing spec. But you know what, the whole Benz is, when I was in Silverstone, when was that 2004?
That's something. They had an option and an old Benz and an old racing Benz, when I was a 30, you're 28 and a half million pounds. What? It's mental.
But it's a mental thing. That's a good one. It becomes art and it becomes it's like, there's a raw investment. You know?
It's a good one. It's just another league. It might be for the quarter of the last couple of years, with a couple of properties in their lives, or whatever, and invest in 15, so. So 2001, 2002, it's brought on married.
I remember, I made it, he's down with something like 190SL, so it needed a bit of work. It was 50 grand. It was like 50 grand for one money for that. And now, you can't buy one for less than 350.
But the same amount of work. I got on the green light to buy two ADS or a pagoda. Yeah, wow. From the bride.
They haven't got up. This is a car. This is a car. You can do something.
You can do something. You should absolutely do it. And then if it goes wrong, you told me it was going to go wrong. And if it goes right, she's going to want to do it anyway.
It will never go wrong. So if you told you to do it, you'd do it. Yeah. No, she said you can.
You just said you can. You've got to do it. You've got to claim the small victories. Because if she told you not to do it, it's still going to come off all right.
But how much did the left of the go? It was about 45? What about that? What about that?
Yeah, easy. You've flashed back in a few cars that we've had traded. I said, oh, I should buy one. I always want to buy one.
And I've never really speculated. Because I'm too busy. I've been in a car and drive a car and it's sort of on a round all day. But we had a couple of building pourshes.
There was one about 18 months ago, which was a 45k manual, 2005, 997 series one. It was a semi-grant. What? I was like, oh, that was just a big one.
There's a very special one unique about it. No, but it's really well sought after. If I had that kind of 110g and I'd sell it in a day, it'd just go. But if something like a GT3 RS or something like that came in.
Yeah, but that's different. Because you've got to buy it. That's a good thing. What's that?
It's a good thing. Look at which one. It speaks to the camera. You can't buy one.
What's the mean box you know? What much are they? 600 and 1,000. Yeah.
Don't you buy one? She's just going to be more off to it. Are you his one? No.