*8.2 Makkos Daf 06 A (Middle)*

*8.2 Makkos Daf 06 A (Middle)**Summary**Mishna (7.6):*Just as a testimony is invalidated when one of two witnesses is found to be a relative or a passul; it is invalidated even when one of three witnesses is found passul. (Even though we have two valid witnesses).*Gemara:**Rav Papa* remarked to *Abayye:* If the presence of a passul invalidates the testimony, *the _harug_* (murder victim) *rescues* his murderer. (He is _passul_ and he was present!)*Abayye* responded: Perhaps he was killed stealthily from behind and *he didn’t see* the murderer.*Rav Papa:* What about a *_nirva_* (if a male “came upon” another male)?*Abayye:* Perhaps the _rovei’a_ came upon him from behind and *he didn’t see him.**Rav Papa:* What about the *murderer or the _rovei’a_ himself?* He is also _passul!_[These questions are not according to Rebbi (7.6) who requires the witnesses to take part in the _hasra’ah,_ but they are valid questions on Rabbi Yosi].*Abayye* kept quiet.When the question came before Rava, he said: The _passuk_ says *“The matter should be established* according to the witnesses”. We only consider the people who are coming to *establish the matter.* See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate