8: Chris Guillebeau

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Impossible Podcast. Today on the show, I've got my good friend Chris Gillibough. He's the author of the Art of Nine Can Formity blog. He's the host of the very popular podcast, Side Hustle School.

He's the author of five books, including his latest one, Side Hustle. This week we're talking about side hustles, how having a side hustle can change your perspective on what you think is possible. And personally, I have to thank Chris a lot. Chris was one of the first people that made me think it was possible to live life differently and do something impossible.

He was the biggest influencer on me when I first started blogging. And if you look up in the archives of the site, you'll find out that Chris's meetup for the first book that he wrote was the impetus for me to start my own blog. But a couple of things first before we get into the interview. First of all, if you're trying to start something new this new year and you're having a hard time getting off the ground, the best way to do that is to change your mindset.

We're doing that this month as a group through the cold shower therapy winter challenge. If you go to impossiblechallenges.com, you can join a Facebook group. And there we have a group of people who are doing the cold shower therapy challenge over the next 30 days. We're doing it through the winter because it's freezing, it's cold, it's uncomfortable.

And that's what we're practicing, getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. So when it comes to the other things in life, we can do those too. So check that out at impossiblechallenges.com. It's cool little community of people doing hard things.

Also at the end of the show, I'll be giving away three copies of Chris's new book, Side Hustle, from idea to income in 27 days. If you guys want to know how to win that book, go ahead and listen to the end of the episode where I'll give you instructions on how to do just that. Also, if you guys need a reminder every day to push your limits and do something impossible, go check out ImpossibleGear.com. It's the best way to get comfortable while doing something uncomfortable.

And if you're wearing a possible shirt while starting your next business idea, you might just start the next SpaceX. It's true. So check that out at impossiblegear.com. All right, that's all I've got for news announcements for today.

Let's go ahead and jump in to my interview with Chris Gilbo. All right, and we're live. Today, I've got Chris Gilbo, visitor of 193 countries, creator of the Art of Connot Nonconformity website, the World Domination Summit Conference. He hosts every year in Portland and the host of the Side Hustle School Podcast.

It's got an over 12 million downloads last year. Did I get that number right? Yeah, I just keep clicking. Every day.

I'm like, you know, 2,000 downloads to try to get up there. So 12 million downloads last year. And the author of five books, including your latest Side Hustle from Idea2Incom in 27 days. Chris, welcome to the show.

Dude, it's a huge honor. I've been following your work for years, as you know, and it's been just amazing to see all the stuff that you've done. So can't wait to see what you do next. So before we get into that, I actually, for those of you guys who don't know, I, Chris is one of three integral people that's responsible for me trying to start a blog and do the online thing and figuring out back when I was an unemployed UPS worker that you could go do something different other than try to get a crappy job or try to call Starbucks and have them not respond to you.

And so Chris, I have to, I did the annual review that I've been doing the last seven years because of you last the last week. And I need to let everybody know the impact that you had in shaping the last five to seven years of my life. Dude, that's amazing. Well, cool.

Like I said, you've been a big part of all of your stuff, too. You know, so it is mutual. And I think I forgot the whole thing about UPS. We must have talked about that like five years ago, because you know, my last job, you know, way back when I was 19 was working for FedEx, basically.

And like, you know, quit that job, obviously, like I worked there for like three weeks and then left one day and never returned. So I totally forgot that we had that in common. Yeah, I think it's there's something about the manual labor of picking up boxes and setting them back down and trying to I was a I think you were you were in the warehouse. I was doing the runs to the houses and trying not to get my dogs or slip on ice in the debt of winter in Chicago.

There's something about that that you're like, you know, there's got to be better options out there. I think yeah, probably not the best long term plan, you know, like it's character building for like 10 days and then you're like, okay, what's next? You're like, I don't know if I can do the entrepreneur thing, but I for me, I did the UPS thing in the middle of the economic downturn in 2009. And so they hired for extra help.

And it was the economy was so bad, people weren't even sending packages. So I didn't even need they didn't even need me. And so my first paycheck after after all the union dues and everything else came out to like $7. Wow.

And that was like, you're like, I need to do something different, basically. Yeah. So I was I was filling my other time with just reading the world brief guide to world domination and your other one 279 days to what that was the world domination one. But so I want to talk about a couple things.

But if you want to give people a little bit of your back story, because we can just kind of just talking about without filling people in a little bit about back story about traveling, the 193 project, and then we'll get into what you're working on now. Yeah, cool. Thanks. Well, you said some really kind things about some of my work.

I'm an author, traveler, entrepreneur. I've been working for myself for 20 years now. And you know, initially out of necessity, like we were just talking about, but somewhere along the way, actually forged a bit of a career from it. I spent four years living in West Africa as an aid worker.

And that was a very transformative experience for me kind of just, you know, changed our thought about life in the world and travel and culture and all kinds of stuff. So coming back from that, I was turning 30 and I was like, okay, like what's next? I've been fortunate to do a number of different things, but there's nothing that kind of connects them or ties them together. And so that's when I started the Art of Nonconformity.

And also officially began the quest to visit every country in the world, which is my Instagram handle 193 countries. That was the project 193 that you mentioned. And I had been doing it kind of informally on my own, like, no public components for probably the first 70 or 80 countries or so. But then I started writing about it.

And this was in 2008 and began writing about the quest and it kind of evolved to writing about other stuff, like how to find alternative solutions, you know, to life, how to live, like that you want not the one that other people expect or presume that you should have how to kind of navigate different situations like that. And then everything kind of came from there, like the books and the, you know, conference and everything else. It wasn't strategic. It's not like 10 years ago.

I said, Oh, I'm going to start this blog and it's going to lead to this new career. It was more like, I feel like I have something to say. So I'm going to start writing about it and I'm going to learn, you know, along the way. And I started doing meetups around the country and around the world.

I think you were at a couple of them, Joel, like, it's like everything I did informed what happened next. So now I have a global community, you know, just like you do with Impossible Project. And I just feel fortunate that I can ride and travel and now produce the podcast and do, do fun stuff like that. So a couple of the things that I think immediately drew people to your story was when you had the global project of 193 countries.

And I remember thinking when I was at UPS, I, you launched your site maybe like a year and a half before I was like in this rut of everything. And so when I was unemployed and trying to find something back in 2009, I kind of glommed onto your site. And I think I read every single post, you know, two or three times. So I'm sorry about that.

Great. But I went through, you know, all that. I think what kind of drew people was this, you had to quote that you don't have to live your life, the way anybody tells you to an amalgamation of something like that. And that's kind of informed the last five books that you've read.

And last year you came up, you kind of did something way outside your comfort zone or way outside what you have done with this podcast. And can you talk a little bit about how you move from kind of generically talking about changing, you know, our nonconformity, doing things differently and then specifically focusing on the practical ways you can do that with businesses and the site also. Yeah. Okay.

So a few different points there. I think, you know, first of all, I think there's just a great saturation of so-called thought leaders. And, you know, everybody's kind of building this pillar to themselves. And it's not all negative like that.

That sounds negative to say it that way. But I do believe everybody has something to say. Everybody has a message. But I think, you know, just considering it from a business perspective or an impact perspective, I feel that a lot of people are just kind of frustrated with maybe broad general messages.

And I think the future, at least the present, I think what people are looking for now is less strategy and more tactics, you know, which is kind of the opposite of what you've always heard, you know, I think people actually want to, you know, here, okay, here's exactly what you go and go and do. And if you do this, it's going to give you options to do what's important to you. So I'm not telling you what to do with your life. That's for you to figure out.

But if I can provide tools, you know, I'm practical support, if you make the choices that are important to you, then that's great. And that's what I'm doing with the Sighast school project. So that's the first point. I think the second thing is, last year I had a different book out called Born for This.

I went and did a tour of about 30 cities and I'd give like a 30 minute stump speech. And in that 30 minutes, for like one minute, I would mention Sighast Souls. And I'd be like, oh, by the way, it's like a little side note, you know, no matter what else you're doing, you should have more than one source of income, even if you love your job, you know, for all kinds of reasons. And here are some stories of people who are doing that.

Here are a couple of practical things you can do. So it would just be like one minute of 30 minute talk. And then afterwards, pretty much everywhere I went, like 50% of the questions would be about that. And so I was like, okay, you know, basically, my audience is telling me like what they want, essentially.

And this is a topic that I'm qualified to do. It's what I've been doing for 20 years. I've never actually had like the real job. I never actually built a huge company or anything.

But I know a lot about starting these small kind of projects and I've been running about side hustles. I just hadn't really focused it out and said like, okay, that's going to be my thing. So I decided to kind of go all in, which kind of leads me to the third point. I was like, okay, for 2017 and now 2018 as well, you know, this is going to be my thing because I have one strength and weakness is I like to do a lot of different stuff.

And in some ways, like I said, it's a strength and I would never want to just choose one thing. But another way, otherwise, like I can sometimes feel divided and like not, you know, not giving up attention to something that needs more attention. So I was like 2017, 2018, the year of the side hustle basically for me. And so that's when I started the podcast that is every single day, seven days a week.

That's when I wrote the book. That's when I'm doing a new tour, which is so far taking me to about 45 cities. I want to get to 100 cities before I stop. So I want to make that my whole focus.

What I like about the podcast is that it's short, like you mentioned switching to tactics, like too close for strategy, switching tactics or something like that. You know, like, the show is what five to five to eight minutes, I don't think anything really goes over 10 minutes, but their short, actionable ideas and it almost is if someone comes to the table with excuses of why they can't come up with a business, the show is basically a waterfall and then just cascades over all their excuses. So like, Hey, that's great. I should put another website and it's a waterfall that cascades over your excuses.

There you go. But it's 400 examples of real people building, you know, these businesses from, you know, or side hustles from $400 a month, you know, 20 crazy businesses that are legitimately changing people's lives. Do you have any specific stories that have really stuck out or people that if people are thinking about a, you know, I, you know, what about me? What do you have any specific stories that really pop out that you like to kind of pull out of your back pocket when you're talking about this?

Yeah, I mean, I have so many. You know, one of the go-to ones is Theresa Greenway, who is a bit older and wasn't as familiar with technology as some of us are. And she was always passionate about baking bread. Like, that was her thing.

She really got a baking sourdough bread. So her daughter ended up helping her like film this course, like a Udemy course in her kitchen using her iPhone. And basically was like, we're going to make this course, if you, you know, teaching people how to bake sourdough bread, we're going to put it online, show her how to do it. And that course made like $25,000 the first year.

And then in second year, she's like, okay, I'm going to really go all in with this. And she did five courses. They're all about baking bread. They're all about sourdough bread.

She's like owning the sourdough bread niche, you know, so the funny thing is like this, you know, this sourdough bread empire, you know, last year it brought her like $85,000. And so first of all, $85,000, it's amazing. But second of all, she was actually in a really rough spot. When she started this project, she was living in poverty and she left an abusive relationship.

She had a son with autism and she was working as a housekeeper in a motel. So it's basically equivalent of the UPS FedEx job, except instead of being 20, like you and I were, you know, she was like 60 something and you know, I've been through all these experiences. So basically the $85,000 was the most money she'd ever made in her life. And it basically changed her life and allowed her to put it down payment on a home which she never owned before, you know, all that kind of stuff.

So life changing and also baking bread, right? It's not something that like it's kind of an old technology, right? So it's the kind of thing where there's lots of ways to make bread. Like you don't have to buy her course, but it seems like she's connecting with people in some authentic way that, you know, they value and they're willing to pay for it.

So that's like my story about like someone who's like changing lives and like going from what they're really good at. Quick little story of somebody who's like, I just want to have a side hustle. This guy was really interested in dropshipping, you know, which is where like basically other companies are sending out stuff where people come to your website and place an order and then you don't have to handle inventory, somebody else sends it out. And he approached this perspective from, I just want to have a side hustle.

I don't care what the product is essentially. And so he made a list of like 100 different products and he had these different criteria he was looking at. It's like, okay, there has to be more than one manufacturer for it. So I'm not too dependent.

It has to be a market where there's not a lot of competitors. It has to be relatively high price because I need no enough profit margin and so on. So basically he narrows down his list of 100 ideas to the final idea which is bouncy castles, like adult bouncy castles or bounce houses, you know, which people like rent or buy for their party or something, you know. So he starts this website and basically has like, I'm asking questions about bouncy castles and he masters his SEO and gets like on the first page of Google.

And in the first year he makes $300,000 from the bouncy castle dropshipping site. And it's not like when he was a kid, that was his passion. It's not like he was like, I want to grow up and sell bouncy house castles. He just kind of thought logically, you know, how can I find something that I can then apply my skills to and get that to people and make money from.

So there's all kinds of ways people are making money in every day. I highlight a different one on the show. So one of the things that I can imagine that a lot of people come up with is the mindset aspect of becoming from just being someone who goes to their job, checks in, checks out to thinking that, hey, I could do this. Like this is possible for someone like me.

And is there, when I, you know, going back to your original blog and your original PDFs and manifestos and everything that you wrote, those are the things for me that made me think, hey, you know, maybe I could try this too. Is there something that you tell people who are new to the side hustle world who are kind of thinking about jumping in, but also, you know, maybe thinking, you know, part of it is, hey, you give them an episode every single day. You're showing them example, after example, after example. But is there anything else that you kind of show people to say, hey, you know, you can get over this mindset aspect and you can do it too?

Well, I think the waterfall or the cascade as you call it, of examples is good because, you know, you might not relate to every single person that you hear about, but you're going to hear somebody that sounds like you and you're going to realize like, oh, they didn't have any advantage that you lack. And there is something that you can do. I guess maybe the other thing is like I've deliberately targeted this project to people who are not entrepreneurs who are not self-employed and who don't necessarily even want to be those things. And I do that because I really felt and I feel somewhat partially responsible for this, but I feel like there's this kind of thing in our culture where, you know, all the messages about entrepreneurship are like, you have to quit your job.

And if you don't quit your job, like what's wrong with you? Why would you possibly want to work, you know, for a company or organization, right? And like, you know, I come from that perspective because that's been my experience, but lots of people are actually working for good companies or for the right organization or they like being part of a team or maybe they're working for other entrepreneurs or maybe it's just like a time in their life where they can't just, you know, quit their job tomorrow and take a lot of risk and they've got a family in a mortgage and all that kind of stuff. But like nobody was actually catering to those people because, again, all the other messages were like very much kind of high risk or at least encouraging people to leak without a net and all that stuff.

So I was like, this is basically for people who are in that situation where they actually like their job or for whatever reason, they can't leave their job now and don't want to. What can you do where you are? Like, what can you do with the skills you already have with the limited time that you have? So you don't have like, you know, 20 extra hours a week.

How can you really create an asset for yourself so that you have more security that brings you options in the future so that one day, even if you love your job if the situation changes, all of a sudden you don't love it, then you've got something else you can work on or even if not, like at least you have a creative outlet. You can look at something and say that you made this like, you just feel so empowering as you know, like to get paid from different sources and to get paid outside of paycheck. And so I want everybody to kind of feel that. So I would say that maybe the just encouraging people that they're not alone and if there's lots of people out there who have similar goals and are kind of going down a similar path, perhaps that helps a little bit.

So every time I hear someone go on the jobs or terrible ramp and they get really, I'm like, who hurt you? Like what happened? Because something about that tells me like, you know, as long as you have a job that is interesting to you and it's not draining you out, you know, your boss is terrible. If you hit your job, it's one thing.

But if you have a decent job, you get a paycheck every month or every week, every two weeks, I mean, that's one all the time that tells you what I know. But that's like, that sounds like a good gig sometimes. Like, you don't have to worry all the time about, you know, paychecks and, you know, all that. But one of the things that I like how you've structured the show is that it is you, if you're stuck in a job or not, I don't want to use the word stuck.

But if you're in a job and you usually are presented with one of those two options, either full-time entrepreneurship, go, you know, race funding or your job and just figure it out, or you're stuck in, you know, or you're in your day job. And there's no one in your day job maybe talking about entrepreneurship. And so even just tuning in and having 10 minutes a day of examples and changing the environment that you're in or the realm of what's possible kind of starts to change things just because you're surrounding yourself in your your drums with the stories of people who made it happen. And I think that is just one of those things that as if you hear it enough times and you're doing a show every single day, if you're here enough times, one of these days, eventually, no idea is going to spring up in the back of your head and you're like, maybe I'll try that.

Yeah, I mean, if you listen to the show to your show or to my show or anything like this, like they've already identified themselves as being pro-change and as being like people who want to better themselves. Like I know everybody's busy, like nobody has free time, but if you're listening to this right now, you've chosen to kind of invest in yourself because you want something greater than what you've known before, what your friends are doing. And so anything that we can do to support those people is great. You know, like ultimately they're the ones doing the work.

Like I always want to acknowledge that whenever I get feedback of somebody's like, oh, I was able to quit my job because of something in the book or whatever. I'm like, well, it's awesome. I really am honored to be part of it. But let's be clear, lots of people read the book and never do anything, probably 90% plus.

So you're the one you took action, right? So you should be commended for that. And I'm glad to be a little support. So for people who are looking at this and saying, hey, what can a side hustle really do for me?

Like you said, it depends on the work. It depends on what people put into it. It depends on the opportunities you're finding and everything. But when you talk about this, a lot of people still do have that mindset of either I need to go find something that's going to make me replace my day job income or it's not worth doing.

And what's a realistic way to look at side hustles in a way that someone can just start tinkering with stuff and find out what comes up? It's kind of scary to think. The only option is you have to replace your day job from a salary that presumably you've been working on that job for a while and maybe you have a college degree or some other qualification that you're an expert. You're pretty good at your job.

So that's going to be really hard all of a sudden tomorrow or next week or next month to replace that. So I think that's why people rightly feel intimidated or not intimidated, but they just feel kind of donted by it. And so like I said, about the whole $500 a month thing, like someone in arbitrary number, the subtitle of the book is from IDA to income in 27 days. So I put together this 27-day format where every day you have one step, one step, one day, two step two.

So you have this whole thing. It's really funny because people ask like, why 27? They think like, I don't start with like, I want to have 27 steps. I start with like, what is the outcome?

What am I trying to teach people? And then what is the best way to then break that down? And then the framework comes from that. So 27 is somewhat arbitrary, $500 a month is somewhat arbitrary.

However, like for people who are listening, like you can ask yourself, what would $500 a month extra do for me? What would that mean? If it wasn't coming from my paycheck, but it was coming from somewhere else or $1,000 a month or whatever it is. So I hear like a story after story just about every night when I'm on tour of people who talk about how the first time they made something and sold it, which could just be on Etsy or on eBay or something like that.

Something really, really simple. Maybe they learned to make a basic website and in two weeks, they had a blog or they had a product or some kind of consulting or coaching service. They got their first client. They talk about how like when they made that for sale, it's like it feels different than anything they've ever experienced.

And they feel like they've almost looked at their life differently. Like, I can't believe like a stranger, you know, sent me $60 or something. And you know, often it leads to like much more, you know, after that, like actually end up growing a business and making a lot more money. But even just the act of doing it is empowering.

So that's why I'm trying to encourage people to take action quickly. A couple of things you can do. You can do a little inventory of your skills, like focus more on your skills than your passion. I think people ask themselves too much, like, what am I passionate about?

How can I make a business out of it? Let's think about what you're good at, you know, what's valuable, helpful, useful to other people. What kind of questions do people ask you about all the time? Like, what comes easy to you that's hard for other people and so on.

And then the second approach is, you know, don't follow a passion, follow a problem. Like pay attention throughout daily life to things that frustrate you, that annoy you, that could be done better. And, you know, find a way to create a simple solution to something. Don't worry about changing the world.

Don't worry about making the next iPhone, you know, focus on something that you can fix, right? Something that you can fix and improve and make somebody's life better. And that's, you know, I don't want to say it's easy. Like, I try not to use the word easy because, you know, things that are worth doing sometimes require effort.

And, you know, you might fail in one way and you have to try again. But it's, it can be simple. I guess that's what I mean to say. It can be simple.

One of the things that I liked about the focus on no passion is that, uh, that's the kind of the reverb that just keeps going on. It's follow your passion, follow your passion, follow your passion. And one of the things that I found is that that one, it's not necessarily useful to other people. I can like ice cream.

I could be very passionate about ice cream. And, you know, if I don't know how to make it or if I'm not giving it to people faster, I'm just loving ice cream. All I'm going to, I'm just going to sit on that couch, any ice cream, not do anything. Um, it doesn't, it doesn't necessarily translate to anything profitable.

Uh, but the other thing is that a lot of the things that like people can find these niches and then like sourdough bread, they could be, they can seem boring on the surface. But then as you dig in, uh, there's really something to it and you can kind of fall in love with the, the overall problem, like you said, of solving that problem and then that solving the problem becomes your passion or whatever. You get really interested in it and that's, that can be something that can be very rewarding, you know, to, to know that you're helping people and to, to, you know, see payment notifications come in and you're like, wow, somebody actually chose to, you know, spend $39 on the bread course or whatever. And, you know, then you go and look at your ratings and you see all these people with nice things to say.

It's, it can actually be very motivating to do that. And so yeah, you may not be the most passionate about that topic or whatever, but then as you said, as you follow, follow your skill and realize the intersection between, you know, your skill and how that's benefiting other people, that's almost like a self-reinforcing circle. The one of the other things is I think once you find out that you can create something and put out there in the world and then like you just made something and out of nothing, that for me, it's been one of those, uh, landmark things where once I realized I could go ahead and affect the world and I think Steve Jobs has a quote about once you realize that everything in the world is made up by people just like you, you can make your own things and you can go do your own things. And even something like that is making it like a $20 thing that you're going to sell on Etsy and you're going to go put it out there.

You know, you're going to make $20 and 18 of that is profit, but the way it opens up your worldview to looking at everything around you as problems or, uh, you know, temporary limits that you can go push past. That, that to me is the biggest piece of entrepreneurship because I was messing around with stuff for two or three years while I still had a job. Uh, and, and it just affected the way I approached all of my goals, all the things that I wanted to do. And, uh, it all started from trying to figure out what I could create, what I could put out there, uh, that people, you know, might find valuable.

Yeah. And also led to lots of changes in your life as well, like aside from work, I mean, like your work, obviously your income, your ability to travel and be location independent, uh, but then it led, you know, to this quest that you, that you went to check in, like all the struggles that you had for that. And then, you know, the huge success of all the funds that were raised, you know, for pencils or pencils promise and pencils for promise pencils up promise. Yeah.

That's a problem. I mean, everybody has an issue. Right. No, it's a problem.

You know, anyway, that great thing. That great thing. Like that, I would say that stuff came from, you know, like the genesis of that is in those first part, and it's like, you embrace that impossible concept and, and I know you went to do some struggles with that with the lawsuit and everything. Like it all led to like what you're doing now and what you're doing now is going to lead to the next thing.

So it kind of kind of builds. So to take it back to the beginning, all the ultra marathons that I, I just finished up last year started with running a five K about two weeks, I think before I launched, uh, two weeks, maybe after I launched the blog and about a week before I met you for your first book tour. So pulling that all full circle. Uh, but yeah, it's kind of all kind of grew out of that.

I was like, Oh, let's see what I can do with this. Okay. And then it ended up, you know, taking me, you know, everywhere. Okay.

Well, try to try to get as many countries as you are. So I from K to seven ultra marathons, right? So I guess the tip for listeners is be careful what you wish for. You know, be careful when she's starting going down some road, you don't know where you're going to end up.

Yeah, that's awesome. Um, so as far as, uh, you know, if people are interested in, uh, you know, starting to do a side hustle, you have a book, you have a podcast, where are the best places that people can kind of dig in and find out more about the side hustle lifestyle? Sure. Um, well, yeah, I try to do 80% or more of my work for free or low cost.

So, you know, the book is available at every library. If you don't want to buy it, it's also a book store online retailer, uh, side hustleschool.com. You can come there. I got some free stuff that shows for you every day.

Um, I would say, I would say start with that. And then pretty much every day on the show, I'm talking about different resources and other websites and other people doing interesting stuff. And so for every single episode, we have show notes just like you do on your show, I'm sure. And, uh, you know, those notes we're linking out to a lot of other resources as well.

Okay. Uh, one more question for you before I let you go. As far as, uh, you said you have 45, 45 cities down on this tour. Trying to get to 100.

Uh, beyond that, what's next? What's next for you? You've, uh, you've been to every country in the world. You travel all the time.

You write books on a insane schedule that I had no idea. It makes me feel inadequate. I got a couple of people. You've got a couple of people.

You've got a couple of people. Uh, yeah, I'm working on it. Uh, I'll, uh, I'll work on it. But, uh, what's next for you?

Yeah, I think right now I'm still, I'm still actually completely immersed and invested, um, in the, the side of the concept, uh, for all of 2018, like I renewed the commitment to doing episode every single day. So basically our second set of 365 stories. And of course, I'm doing other stuff too, but I like having this framework or this routine, like no matter what else I'm doing in my life, no matter where I am in the world, like there is this episode that's, that's going out. So focused on that.

Um, you know, we, you know, we produced world domination summit going into year number eight of that. Um, we've definitely evolved over the past couple of years. Uh, I would love for anybody who's listening to come and join us in the summer every year in Portland, Oregon. Uh, what else am I doing?

I don't know. Just trying to, I don't know. Just trying to find my way through life. You know, like we're all in a journey, right?

Um, we're all trying to make our way. So whenever we get these interviews, it's always like, you know, I want to be careful about like being put on a pedestal or whatever, because I have issues, I have problems just like anybody else. So, um, trying to work through some of that stuff too. Can I, uh, I like to ask her guests one other question before they get off.

And the question is a lot of times we talk about stuff that we went through and, uh, we do like a retrospective on it. Uh, but a lot of times, uh, when we're looking at challenges or we're thinking about doing challenges, uh, there's something out there that scares us that we're like, I don't know if I want to talk about that. I love to tell the story, you know, when it's all done, but is there anything going on or any big things that you're kind of like eyeing that, you know, maybe scare you or you're not sure you're like, you want to talk about it until the story's all over? Um, is there anything like that?

Yeah, I don't mind answering a question. It's good. Actually, uh, I mean, I am struggling a bit with depression and anxiety and I write about it a little bit on my blog to some degree. And I do hope to be able to share more about that at some point.

Um, but I said, that's just something I'm trying to kind of work through and, uh, you know, got some different treatments and just trying to figure out, you know, what I should do. And I think maybe it's like, there's this quote I heard a long, long time ago from, uh, Jason Raz, the musician, and he talked about like going through this period of depression himself and he said, like everybody was like, Oh, but you have like a great life, you know, and, uh, you have everything, right? And he said, well, you know, I'm successful, but just because you're successful doesn't mean you can't experience melancholy or sorrow, you know, or loss or anything like that. And I thought a lot about that.

And so, I mean, those are the kinds of things that I'm working through or trying to broadly speaking. But when you go down that road, it's kind of like the, the impossible ultramarathon road. You don't always know what's on the other side. You don't know exactly where you're going to end up.

Uh, so that's, that's the fun experience I like at the moment. Well, I think, I think the lesson there is that even though you're successful, it doesn't mean you can't have problems, but also, uh, just because you have problems doesn't mean you can't keep pushing forward and you're doing that every single day with the podcast, you're inspiring a lot of people and, uh, you're changing a lot of lives, including mine. So I have to say thank you more time for that. So much.

Thank you. I will link to all the things that you mentioned down in the show notes and, uh, I'm sure when you have a new project coming up, we'll get you back on the podcast and we'll do this all again sometime soon. Okay. That'd be awesome.

Thank you so much, Joel. All right. Thanks, Chris. All right.

There we go. I hope you guys enjoyed that podcast with Chris. Thank you, Chris, for coming on the podcast. I want to say thank you for me for all the things that you've done over the last seven years.

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