EPISODE · Oct 7, 2025 · 26 MIN
80: Counseling Freedom at SCOTUS: CHANGED Movement Reacts to Chiles v. Salazar
from Coffee, Culture, and the Capitol
CFC’s Greg Burt speaks with Elizabeth Woning, Ken Williams, and Isaac Beck from the CHANGED Movement minutes after leaving the U.S. Supreme Court in Chiles v. Salazar—a pivotal case about counseling freedom and whether states can ban licensed talk therapy that helps minors pursue a biblically faithful view of sexuality and identity.From the gallery, our guests describe even-handed questioning from the Justices, sharp pushback on viewpoint discrimination, and concern that Colorado’s law steers every struggling teen only toward an LGBTQ outcome. They also unpack weaknesses in the “harm” studies often cited to justify bans—lumping abusive practices with voluntary talk therapy and relying on biased self-reporting—while highlighting the need for genuine research and real options for families of faith.Highlights: • What today’s arguments revealed about free speech, medical regulation, and viewpoint neutrality • Why minors who want help aligning feelings with faith deserve access to voluntary counseling • The difference between past abusive practices and ordinary talk therapy • How churches can be equipped to walk with people compassionately and truthfully • CHANGED Movement’s free “Navigating LGBTQ” training resource for Christians and pastors (see: ChangedMovement.com)Pray with us for a ruling that protects speech, conscience, and the right of families to seek help consistent with their faith.Chapters:0:00 Intro & who is CHANGED2:05 Inside the courtroom: first impressions7:10 Is this speech or medicine?12:45 The “harm” studies—what’s missing17:20 What this could mean for CA families & churches22:00 Free training resource for churches
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80: Counseling Freedom at SCOTUS: CHANGED Movement Reacts to Chiles v. Salazar
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