EPISODE · Jan 7, 2026 · 35 MIN
85) THEY TRIED TO BUILD A FAMILY IN A COUNTRY WITH NO RULES FOR FAMILIES LIKE THEIRS: THE NETHERLANDS TRUTH
from IVF DADDIES · host Richard Westoby & Julio Gaggia
No rulebook. No legal framework. No guarantees. Just two people who refused to stop.This episode is not a success story with a tidy ending. It is what actually happens when the system was not built for your family and you have to find a way through it anyway.They tried to become parents in the Netherlands. A country where the legal grey zones around surrogacy and family building are not edge cases. They are the daily reality for anyone who does not fit the template the law imagined when it was written.What happened inside that journey:The first plan failed. Then the second. Then grief arrived in a form they did not recognise at first because nobody had told them what grief looks like when it is not attached to a death but to a door that keeps closing.The emotional toll of repeated setbacks in a system that offers no roadmap and no apology.What it feels like to keep choosing each other when there are no guarantees medically, legally, or emotionally.The moment everything changed. What it looked like. What it cost to get there.How you talk about all of it as a family once you are on the other side.This is the episode for anyone who has ever sat in a waiting room, or a lawyer's office, or a hospital corridor, wondering if the life they imagined is still possible.It is. But nobody tells you what it actually takes to get there.CHAPTERS00:00 Why We Wanted a Family02:20 When the First Plan Didn't Work05:22 Trying Different Paths07:45 Emotional Highs and Lows10:13 Finding Support12:49 Moments of Hope15:17 Facing Setbacks17:11 Processing Loss18:59 Choosing to Continue21:32 Trust and Connection23:48 Sharing Our Story25:50 Navigating Complex Rules27:34 Waiting and Uncertainty30:48 The Day Everything Changed34:06 Talking About It as a FamilyListening in a browser? Open this in the Spotify app and hit follow. That is the only way Spotify tells you when new episodes land. No clinic deals. No referral fees. No false hope. IVF Daddies is the independent reference system for IVF, surrogacy and egg donation.
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