It's the daily talk show episode 876 What's happening? What's going on? How are we happy Thursday? Do you feel like this week is flying by if I made it Like it's it Monday it feels like you know fucking Thursday Thursday tomorrow's Friday, and then you have the weekend This is crazy.
When do you think? When do you think time goes quickly? Because I think COVID and lockdown has sort of challenged my thoughts around time and the speed of it It doesn't there's only one speed it's the time that's it like it's there, but it's just our processing What do you think it is that makes it feel so? Yeah, it's interesting.
I would have said previously if you have a filled day It goes quick like there's a lot on yeah, I get up you go You get your breakea you're out the door, you know like it's all around sort of that momentum of moving forward actually Geographically moving. Yeah geographically is your new favorite sort of Love everything well. I wanted to say something else It's funny you pick up on these things because what's yeah, I'll think of it But I'm replacing a word that I haven't been able to get to in my brain yet. What is it?
What do you think it is I'll get there? You keep talking to you I'm thinking about I'm thinking about what's the area maybe I could help it's clearly around the geographical or So it's like you're moving around. Yeah, it's it's more. It's another descriptive word for Like your location your geographical You know, it's like it's just another one.
Okay, I'll make sure you can find it out find out. That'd be great No, but I think the interesting thing is this week is one of those weeks where I've got a few things I need to do and I've sort of given this being like yesterday for instance I was like you know what I'm giving myself a break I'm gonna have a chimichanga for lunch like I did uber eats lunch which I haven't done in a long time And I was just like I'm gonna do a little bit of work, but I'm not going to put a crazy amount of stress on it but the thing is that I feel the need I need to do a bunch of stuff today I feel like if I don't get things going now, it's gonna get to the end of the week And you're like I haven't achieved anything so I do feel pressure. That is tomorrow. Um, it is classic crayam Janssen though classic crayam Janssen.
I was always a crayammer always a crayammer still are a crayammer. Yeah, I think it's just the It's optimism. It's the it's a mixture of procrastination and optimism I think that in some ways it works. It works for us sometimes because it means like I'll always be working on something Yeah, but it's not always GB does the same thing.
Yeah, you know It's like you can you'll go all in on something and you can spend so much time on it It's not always the main thing that you need to be doing but it is it does feel like you're moving forward Well, I think I could sum up your procrastination quite well and It's somewhat of a compliment because your procrastination actually comes out in finding other highly productive things that move us forward But then it's like then the panic will set in so for instance you'll build a fucking website in the day Yeah, it is highly highly beneficial for the business Yeah, but you'll leave the edit the last minute and then you'll panic about it So technically it's productive for you But it can but the feelings like what are the sort of like drop, you know if you've got a little you know There's little sort of dropy things that you put under your tongue like per drop That kind of thing but imagine sort of the ingredients that are put into your body. It's anxiety. It's fucking stress It's like all these little things that's to get you flowing at the very last minute But then all of a sudden you've done more than what you needed to do because yeah Yeah, you only you would actually have less on so the thing is that this is my justification whether it's right or wrong the When I was younger, I would be a perfectionist. So if I had two weeks to work on something I'd be working on it like I would just spend all the time on it And so part of the cramming and procrastination stuff is rather than being straight Like it rather than focusing on a single thing to be stressed about just leave it and cram it and put it like into a like a Tiny little box.
Okay. I'm just going to focus on that in that time The problem is that it never quite works that way because you do have the evenings We're gonna get that thing done and need to do this like you so you ask there is a residual effect to the procrastination But I think some of the best things I've ever done have happened from procrastination funnily enough 2013 I had an idea for a documentary on procrastination never got around to doing it Which is so annoying, but it was cold. Do you know what the documentary was called? I think it's a fucking great idea It was called coming soon, and so what I was going to do was This is a classic thing that I've done even jack post and I've been talking about this is he's working on phase two of Jackie Road studios his podcast.
It's like yeah, we can be very much drawn into the launch of something All right, so the idea of the procrastination.com was the first scene that I film is me going around Melbourne putting up billboards and signs For the documentary that's coming soon, and then it's just me going. Okay, fuck Now I've got to do this thing. So if you work you work it out like is this if we're just at a dive into the doc Like it's already been made it starts with putting the posters up But it's not actually made and do you have any idea of what the doc will be or are we gonna? Discoveries you discover because you've even procrastinated on coming up the concept.
I think you just you bring up early like the hypothesis around like For whatever reason I'm procrastinator, and then I probably speak to a few people because yeah, you could do something very interesting about the sort of the benefits of procrastination, which is a which would be a classic procrastinator move well well just just on the on the thought of procrastination It could be seen as Diversing the pain so all like pushing the pain to the side for the moment because you procrastinate things that you don't necessarily want to do Or you want to do them, but they require something from you Which could then be painful or you're not in the right place to activate that party of brain Or you just think that you're not ready for being creative in this moment whatever it be right the problem with it is That all those things end up happening Later down the track and so it's it's I mean we were talking yesterday about sort of just the weird So why rings of our brains and that's one of them procrastination is definitely up there Well to lay gratification all of these things like you think about even the resistance Like I love walking like I just like even with this step challenge I'm annoying myself with it like I know that I can just go out and I can do it and I've I can having a Half an hour combo with uh Peach Shepherd on the phone and they get off us. I was sitting it was buying chicken fillets Whilst he was on the phone to me. He was out and about yeah. Yeah lemon.
He's just hang on a sec And I was like, oh, he's ordering. He's like, okay When you're on the phone to somebody and they're doing something. Oh, it's a bit sort of like suspenseful Yeah, I feel like I'm sort of like in easy and he's like yeah, can I get uh, you know four of the lemon? What the fuck is this going?
I thought it was gonna be latte's and you have lemon chicken I was like where are you? I also like the people that you're on the phone to and you don't know you can't know they must be out and about and next minute They're just like they haven't informed you that they're about to ask something and next minute You're just like they haven't even said sorry about two seconds. Hey, can I get this? It's just like from conversation.
Yeah, I have those, you know, they're just straight into it. Oh god a bit abrupt I always feel that with the post office because I walk to the post office And then I go in and then there's this transitional point where especially if I if I've walked in and I've still got my AirPods on I can't hear them and so it's this upsetting thing where I have to ask them to repeat themselves But I am the guy that will take the AirPods out I understand the perceived rudeness But I'm looking forward to the day that this is going to happen in the next two or three years Where air pods all of these products will become hearing devices or already sort of moving that way And so the social acceptable thing is you are wearing them all the time They'll probably run flush to your ear. You won't even be able to notice them You'll be able to amplify sound but then you'll also be able to listen to a podcast So there will be this weird stage. I'm sure we're gonna hear about it in the news where they'll say, you know, um, are we connected?
Are we talking to one another because you think like looking at the screens about think about you're having a conversation with someone And you don't know whether they're listening to you or whether they're listening to a podcast or They've switched their microphone so that they can hear better behind them So they can hear the conversation of The, um, the people that are that are having an argument I mean, what about when neurolink neurolink comes in and you've got tapped into your brain or even like your eyeball Um, there's a big company going to be releasing new glasses. So yeah, um, this is where we need like a mr. 97 Who probably has been reading that we can actually call so i've i've set up the phone to make it very easy for this No, yeah, oh, yeah, get him on Um, and then i'll set it up. Yeah, but what have you what have you heard so far?
So um some previous apple employees who have uh left the company and they're currently working on a new operating system And they've created a startup. I actually know where i heard it this weekend startups with, uh, Jason kelkin What is it kelkin? Yeah, Jason kelkin is okay, uh, so are you there mate? Uh, mr.
97 hello This is a nightmare. It hasn't worked has it i reckon he's probably hung up on me. Oh, he's in bed He could be doing okay. Oh, yeah, he probably is doing it.
Yeah, i'll just try calling it I tried to get a fancy call him first and then unmute him Okay, yeah, i'll get ourselves i tried to be smart and have you on the line as tj was telling that story to unmute you Could you hear him at all? No, no, no, no, no, that's all good. Um, so tj's talking about this new thing tj What is it these apple employees who have left and have started a new company and they're going to be releasing a product that is Probably become something like the google glass or like the snap snap. Um, i was going to say testicles specter cool Remember that No, i haven't okay.
Well, it's annoying Can you tell us something interesting that's happening in tech i mean you'll go to site is the version of technology I mean, they're interesting you you sent an article a while ago around, um, sort of a journalist that worked at the verge Going off and using their own software, but they're quite a sub-step Yeah, creating their own mailing list and own newsletter for for readers, but interesting the verge recently put up i reckon today They've put up a thing saying Support independent media like support us and here's a little donate, but not that's right on the verge On the verge at the top of the verge there's a little yellow box that's just like donates work Don't you think that that's a little bit cheeky because the verge is owned by vox media Yeah, how much do you think vox is worth i mean vox is bringing in Probably a hundred million year. Let's have a look at vox vox media 140 that was 2012 hmm to evaluation I mean, yes, i mean the company more sorry the company's worth more than a billion dollars The total of kran hundred and six million dollars in funding Yeah, that's ridiculous the thing the banisters like explanatory work is important support us And so do you think this is the move away from advertising are they just or are they wanting to double dip? I mean, I wouldn't know i'd block it but the Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine them earning heaps of cash Through their ads like it's not like they're doing integrated post or anything like that. It's more just like Almost like here's a ban replacement put your ad in Um Yeah, I can imagine just like if they've got however many you know journalists and writers putting out like editorials and articles and stuff like it Decent they should overhead.
I don't know what it actually probably draws to the fact that they're paying their journalist fuck All or anything. I think they I think the journos get paid. I think the so Jason calicanis who has the podcast this weekend startup He was talking about sub stack. So I actually have a sub stack josh Janssen sub stack calm I've never done anything on there, but we should definitely do it procrastinating Okay, jason boxes all over it.
He does a great job of sub stack and so the idea is it's like a paid newsletter slash blog And so you could get set up and what's happening is there's been a bit of an exodus on These big journos, especially the ones that are perceived a little bit controversial but they have a really strong base of supporters and so what they're doing is Jason calicanis was saying they're probably getting 140 150 000 a year as journal as sort of those sort of senior journalists It's not like peanuts. I mean, it's obviously not podcasting money like what we're on these books that pay for themselves But um, yeah, so so he was talking about what's potentially happening is companies like sub stack As a committing to journalists and saying hey come over here We'll give you a guarantee so we'll give you say 50 grand a year guarantee and then build on that platform and they could be making a bunch more money Yeah, yeah, so they've said on on the It was the virgin it takes you to vox that says your contribution does not constitute a charitable donation But it will enable vox to continue bringing you essential information for free at the pace and scale of the coronavirus crisis demands I mean they're saying that the demand is higher based on coronavirus in there. I don't know. I mean it's a lot more common Yeah, and so this is the thing so it's we have We've accepted as a society that for the most part there's all this sort of media that we don't pay for Right, but there's people doing the work And if we do have a problem if we look at the social dilemma and we say, oh, we don't want to be the product And we don't want to have these ads and also think like there's got to be an alternative It's not like okay turn off the ads turn off the algorithms and then just get this content for free There needs to be a change in the business model.
So maybe vox sees the writing on the wall and saying okay to be a media business Going forward after you know 2020 it requires something where they have a direct relationship with their readers and their readers become customers Yeah, I guess it's patreon if you if your content is worthy enough people will spend the cash People will help you know put money behind it. I guess the donation model makes you really think Okay. Yeah, I love what they do. I've got I want to help them continue doing what they do It just I think the weird bit is coming from a large business is what you're pointing out It's like seems huge from the outside.
It's like hang on wait That's like usually they're like independent creators or you know people running a small operation that seem to do that that model Any other tech news, mace? Um, man, not really. I mean, I was reading an article about a supersonic jet that they're religious related prototype It's nothing nothing really special about it It's interesting all the supersonic stuff. You've just you've just discounted you know millions of hours of work It's only a prototype doesn't fly yet.
So and once you watch document reviews on the concord you realize that Any talk around the supersonic stuff. There's a huge amount of issues with them Like it does sound amazing being able to get from london to new york in what was it less than three hours or whatever is awesome But um, you know sonic booms and ship like you got to worry about things Are you working out right now seps? No Um, have you seen the the tiktok that's absolutely blown up. Um, and it's got uh fleetwood mac song in it You like flitwood mac.
I love flitman. Yeah, you do. Yeah, I wouldn't often say to google to play flitwood mac Do you say play dreams? I say So i'm completely blank.
I'd say play flitwood mac. I'm trying to think of my favorite song. They just serve it up. They serve it up Um, so this guy I can't believe you haven't seen it like it's nana.
I haven't seen it So there's a guy on a skateboard and uh shaved head dude, you know, probably in his late 30s Looks like an older fella like just having the time of his life And he's got this big big bottle of cranberry juice And he just is like cruising and then drinking the cranberry juice singing lyrics to dreams And there's something about it. It's just it's it's fucking gone nuts online Fleetwood mac have hit the charts again for like the the most streams Um, you know since it's been released it's like the broken record of the streams But you haven't seen it. No, I haven't but I have heard about the uh, I saw our mate leon sugar and door tweet saying um about the cramp Everyone's drinking cranberry juice. So I mean I've got myself in a little fucking yeah, I put my foot in it with what I say usually I think I'd less as I get older, but still you know that I'm the guy that's putting my foot in it when I was younger though Um, so there's the classic one of I I said to a girl when I saw her at Mac is I was like have you been swimming?
She's like what no Her hair looked wet sure. I saw it and called it for what it was. You've been to pull No oily hair sure like that one right up. Uh, the other one was which McDonald's was a Elsie was a classic meeting spot.
What time was it? How about 3 p.m. He's getting a qp Getting a qp. Yeah.
Anyway, and then relating to the cranberry juice. I walked in An ex-girl from the time her mate owned this sort of like salon when we went in there And she's got this big bottle of cranberry juice drinking it and I just said what you got a UTI Because I thought it was just a joke I thought she loved cranberry juice, but I also knew that like people drink cranberry juice for urinary tract infections And she's like oh what no no end of story my fucking girlfriend at the time when we get back She's like the fuck did you say that for she does have a UTI? I was like, oh, I'll never again. So when I saw this guy just cruising on these fucking skateboard.
I was like this boy I guess I got a UTI Is is pom a cranberry juice pom a granite is a different fruit bro ski pom pom pom or is it the name of the brand wonderful? I don't know if it's Pom no one wonderful. Oh, yeah, there's pom a granite juice. Yeah, pom a granite and so cranberry Is a different from this cranberry cranberries are there things cranberries cranberries?
Yeah cranberries. Yeah cranberry juice What a like there was one that I thought was a berry. That's not a berry. That's a made-up name.
What am I thinking of? I know it's the one where the guys like stomping around in the fields. What do you mean? There was a no there was a specific drink Where it's called something and I thought that's the berry, but it's a it's a manufactured thing.
I know what it is I like it's a fake berry, but they're like that's a great idea with an idea. Well, what's it called? What's the big red red juice? It's gonna piss me off red juice berries Made-up on google.
What did we get berry berry burst? You know what I did on the weekend. Well, I went to um, I went to boost juice Oh, yeah, I got the Janine's favorite not even any more. I remember that.
Yeah, Janine Elis. Is that mango in it? Yeah, it's really um It's right. Beena.
Thanks. Shana. Right. Beena is not a fruit.
Right. Beena is not a fruit. He's not a fruit. So right.
Beena berries Oh, yeah What's a pretty origin brand of black current based Uncarbonated what is it? She's oh and carbonated soft drinks and fruit both so there you go. So right. Beena is not a berry Okay.
Yeah, that's that's interesting because that was the that was a they did well when we were young Like that was a brand that was out there like the pro like in the sort of little juice boxes get your right. Beena's in a big bottle Yeah, I mean there is something about like um I feel like when I was drinking the carbonated drinks a lot of sort of back down a little bit from it all of late but um I'd always bring it up because I wanted to be able to drink them in client meetings like when I'm on a call I would ever start set it up when they'll say how are you going Josh? How's your day? I'd say it's good because I got this drink And I tell them about it.
I'll say oh it's got some flavor. It's actually really delicious. It's my good code It's got that the I um said this to one client and it was amazing. I didn't realize this but in a previous life He was a um like a bit he worked for like in the beverage industry Oh, great.
And you everything so it seemed like because such a quirky thing to bring up, right? Like hey, I'm gonna talk about this beverage and he just starts naming facts as oh, yeah They would have gotten the thing from this factory and that I was very impressed. That's great. Yeah, it's not much for a story But and then the next meeting great Just finally before we finish uh the ushi scheme continues on yet another day more issues Yeah body rocks up to the cafe new persons on it's not it's not George He's go to barista for his baby chino and ushi deals and it's his sister Georgia sister and what has she got an un uh a packet or she inside she thought about body when she was at the supermarket She brought it and gave it to body.
But then she asked me hey if you have Elsa as in the Disney character. Yes, if you have Elsa my daughter would love it. I said great So I'll get back in the car. I mean do we have a spare Elsa?
Yes, amazing I'm standing currently in the mail out three of bodie spares to Gronk still so who needs them for his son's collection And we're helping out so it's it's becoming a full just Exchange this is full time though. I won't be able to work for the next six months because I'm just changing all she's every every moment And so um, I wonder I feel like at a cafe they could put up a sign like Uh want to leave you or she like that you could put them into a into some sort of bucket or whatever I mean, that's a no they also want a sign saying can you please put more money coronavirus? I mean people are um donating to a business that's raised to 300 million dollars Yeah, I can't I can't help but uh feel that we should be um, you know donating to these other things I do think very quickly. Okay, so it's been an entire year Uh, I think since I've been on holiday.
So the last time was dalesford. Yeah, September the end of September I think it was three days. Yeah, I was thinking when was the last time you went on holiday? Uh, it was I think it was our FFS Flingers FFS is what you call it.
No, can we do anything? I can't remember. Oh, no, no, not really. No, so this is the problem If you can't remember what was the best or not So we're saying what are you talking about?
I'm pretty sure we just had headaches. We're tired Yeah, so I was thinking I was like, um, what are we going to like I feel like with all the covid stuff that's happening We can't do holidays, but we should at least consider annual leave We should consider like what we look like to take a week like what it looked like if you just take a week then me to take a week mason To take a week to be honest, it's so close in the year and we haven't really like you talk about in our holidays We've been at home. It's like a lot. Have you this is my this is my thought.
Yeah, never getting to really switch off Not really like the that's a thing that you don't realize right is it's like I get the The psychology of especially when they do like businesses do forced and you'll leave or whatever which is around christmas time for us Yeah, I wonder before things ramp up Uh with like filming and all that sort of thing what it would look like to do a week This is just a thought. What do you think? No, yeah, no, um, I agree. I think though we're so close to the end of the year I'd rather take weeks off at the end of the year that gives me like I disconnected the end of the I'll have that time of year like the christmas break usually we go up to Sydney and it's just like a Time to just reset.
Mm-hmm. And so the hard it is when you're trying to disconnect to then come back to Ramp it up hard. Mm-hmm. And so it's like end of the year is that time for me Do you reckon it will be different though this year obviously because like I don't know whether Sydney like whether you'll be able to do that Either way, it's like it is the time when the vibes there.
Mm-hmm. It's like right now. I can't go anywhere here I Wonder about like you have a kid if I've got annual leave and it's like my kid is still going to daycare It's like I'm stealing it. Mm-hmm.
I don't have the luxury of like it just feeling it still feels like a work week for me It still feels like stuff's going on based on so how do you get to switch off though? Because I feel like it's like I feel it and then you would be feel like I could imagine you're feeling it too where it's just like Not just waiting that extra amount of time Yeah, I mean, I don't I such a small Period of time. I guess if you're struggling then it's a different conversation I think it's like you're trying to step challenges making me feel heaps better Actually moving and so I'm just gonna fight up to sort of kick into gear rather than just pause It's like actively do the stuff to make me feel better so I can continue and have a break It's like I guess it's for the people that want to work through the fucking Christmas break It's like most businesses shut down and if you business the business, it's like a lot of time you get a slow down that period of time so to be honest, I would love the in the previous years we've had the might the the concern of the business over the Christmas periods and it'd be amazing to get to a point where you're like I have to think about it. We've done really well And it's the time to just have a break and we know we can come back and just get started It's not coming back and just fucking blowing blowing it on the first week But it's like being in a good space to come back to would be where do you think where do you think like from a busy if you were to design The way businesses could operate in 2021.
So think about like future of work What it all looks like what leave looks like there's a bunch of companies that obviously they do And you know employees take as much as you want. What do you really like it? Who are they base camp doesn't I mean, so they're all they're not remote they're Distributed teams distributed teams out here. Yeah, I mean, that's a that's a easy one The distributed team stuff is he's gonna happen more next year You can't you look at the city from where we are I can see the big buildings It's like there's 10,000 people in that fucking building.
Oh, there's 5,000 But you know, so is there something is there something I think about the annual leave thing Because people get pissed off with the forest and you'll let like I know people like fuck I've got to take I don't want to take it blah blah blah, but there's like I've seen those occasions where it's like people Work through Christmas, right because quite enough I can take and you'll leave when it's busy for them You know what I mean? Like I wonder what the thing is it's like the I get the idea of saying okay Let's you know, I want to just switch off from a Christmas perspective Yeah, I just wonder what it would look like like having times throughout the year So could you actually from a reset perspective rather than just be like by the end of it You're not actually that optimal because you're fucked because you're just trying to see the finish line versus I'm taking into consideration this year and then I'm thinking well the end of the year next year If we're hopefully back to some kind of new normal But that you know, it's like fuck Usually the the challenge for most people has been time off equals going somewhere going on a little trip Not even overseas. It's like fucking to the farm or to someone's farm or you know in the caravan It's like that shit has been off the table and so yeah, I mean so don't people need breaks though So this is my thing it's like because I completely understand and get that which is like you think you're heading like okay You're going to do a holiday. We're going to do this.
We're going to do that. But If potentially you know flights aren't happening till April or whatever it is Do we need to come up with a different version where people can disconnect? How can you like so That's what it says ask you to put in your annual leave like you need to give us your tentative dates Because then what that saying is you're using it or some people don't want to use it So it's an individual thing and this is the rights of someone who is employed It's like they they get to choose they get to save it up They get to do what they want So it's more if if you were saving it up because you think you can't take it because you're too busy Don't do that take it. You need to you need the rest by but then if that's the Objective to go.
I want four weeks off in a December period like literally December 5 Throw it all fucking Jan 5. I want the full month off paid. That's that's what a that's what someone who is employee gets to make the decision on Well, they have luck out periods and things like that And so what's the when was the last time that you felt that you switched off? Um Probably last Christmas.
Mm-hmm, but then look at this fucking year. It's like but that's why I wonder like is that just a pain that so there's a story there Which is like yeah, but we talked about like the annual leaf stuff and then she changed and so I think it'd be a great idea to look at blocks Across the year when it is a smaller team like ours We can't actually just have a meeting about like who wants to take what where and then you just like well Let's plan to that because when it's small. It's like it helps when it's very impactful when someone goes But that's not a reason to have people not go and so you work towards having people having people sort of take that time And so yeah, that's a that's a great idea have a have a conversation about What that looks like because you can I can just see it like where you don't like you don't make it a priority And then it's not helping anyone. It's not helping the individual.
It's like exhausted just hanging on I just think about how good I feel after taking some leave It's interesting great. It's a the daily talk show. Hi the daily talk show. I'll be back in a month We're uh, no, so I was thinking so so I started thinking about like what would it look like?
So would we do like that co-host like so if I did a week would you have a like a co-host like different co-hosts? Definitely I think that's that's the key if we actually get into the granular bits Usually we've done a stint of going hard which I think if someone stays on it ruins them for the next week Like it's it's too much. Mm-hmm. It's like even though you get to sort of not have the shows the next week It's like to get that many shows recorded is labicim and then you know, it's like you're back at work the following week But then you like to spend that's been experienced like after we did the Sydney We went to Sydney and recorded a fuckload of chats or even like LA when we came back from LA We had a week where we had all the the interview shows or what the pre-records or whatever.
That's right Yeah, it's sort of it's a bit of a recovery. Yeah, you're recovering. Yeah, you're recovering shaking Too many fun It's interesting. I think like there is I don't know what the answer is but I think there's an open there's a there's an open bit where it's like how to How do we avoid burn it?
How do we make sure that we're getting the most out of everyone? So if you're listening and your workplace does something great that you personally love even though it might be sort of a Presidence that they've set what works for you because a lot of businesses have done force annual leave during the COVID stuff as well Well, that's the fucking survive It's like you need to take your annual leave because we can't afford money because we would owe you that anyway So we got to give you that we're gonna pay down your debts to you. Yeah with the money you've accrued It's like yeah, it makes sense. I know people have complained a bit.
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