Here's the daily talk show episode, 884. Hey, what's going on? How's everyone? I'm wjaggot.
I'm like, I don't know what's going on. Is that the catchphrase? He says, what's happening, guys? What's going on?
What's happening, guys? What's happening, guys? That wasn't the game, naturally. That's OK.
Youtubers tend to do that. They have these catchcries that they say, do you let the kids watch YouTube? And have they fallen in love with certain Youtubers? No, I don't.
I mean, I'm not anti it. I'm just like, I know it's going to happen. I'm just not racing to do it. Speaking of kids, do you want me to keep up the construct that I'm Tommy?
Unless she loves me. She's obsessed with us, or she's or whatever, like the boating. It's cool. I call her no she's.
Yeah. You know, you're going to hear how much Blake's daughter screaming in the background from time to time, for some reason, of Tommy's house. I think it's going to happen to him. Tommy's house.
No, the YouTube stuff. Luckily, we haven't unlocked that Pandora's box yet. But you know, you can't get the genie back in the lamp, or Pandora's unboxed back in her box, or back in the moment. It doesn't take really that.
But you know, once it happens, I know other kids have got it in like one of my nieces. She really likes these unboxing videos. And she has her favorite people that do it. And at first I was like, oh, this is strange.
And then I watched it, and I was like, I do get it. I totally, I think toy companies should be annoyed at unboxing videos, because remember? I think that it taps into that whole, it's that fantasy. Remember when we were kids, and you'd get like the toy world catalog, or the Toys R Us catalog.
That's all you could see of the toy. Like what the marketing people showed you was like, that is it. You had to just imagine what could possibly be in the box. Like, that was the whole trick of toys was to convince you, and like Hot Wheels ads, and Transformers ads and stuff, the whole trick of the ad was to convince you that having this toy would be way better than it actually is.
Then you get the toy, it's kind of a let down. But it's like that rush of opening the box and seeing what's in there. And now, kids just get that dopamine hit for any toy they want. And they just sit there and watch someone.
So yes, not have to, like is this the minimalist approach to parenting where it's like, no, you can't have the toy, but yes, you can watch if someone gets. And I reckon it takes like 90% of the thrill of owning the toy out of it, and they kind of move on to the next one. So like, watching this unboxing, you're like, they unbox it, then they build it. So it's like the unboxing, like I said, then they like time up speed build it, and they like play with a little bit, and she's just glued to it.
And I'm just going, I'm not going to hand it to this YouTube. She's pretty good at this. She's got like pretty nails, and she does, she highlights the interesting bits of the logo, and I got sucked into like an hour watching these builds. Yeah, I find that I can watch the weirdest stuff on YouTube, like just like a day in the life stuff.
Just watch on some way. Can you think of, I mean, this is not a wild observation, ain't it, but the greatest, wrong scoff, I suppose, of our generation was when YouTube came out and I didn't, and they're like, oh, you know, Google's bought it for $3 billion. We're like, no way, man, they're the worst that he's the worst, like you've got it. Because we were just starting on TV at the time, like, good luck, internet, idiots.
You have to make something great with like, heaps of graphics and editing, and that's the only way you can make things. Wrong scoff. Have you ever had a brand that's come to you and said, hey, would you do a vlog? Like, have you ever been requested to do something that is that very, I kind of imagine you doing a TikTok.
You don't seem like the TikTok type. I never, I haven't got into TikTok and I'm fine with that. I know people are into it and it seems like fun for them, and that's fine, but I'm definitely, like I left Twitter a while, like, you know, years ago, and I'm just, I'm just going, well, it's great. And I get the people like it, but I'm so glad that I don't feel like I need to be there every day, like, participating in that.
I love Instagram and I'm happy, depending on Instagram, maybe, I take days off, and I don't, yeah. Well, you just, yep. I sometimes just go, well, I just go, okay, well, I've had some fun there for a while, and I'm going to leave it just to know that I can for five or six days, and then jump back on. So, I haven't had anyone come and ask me to do a vlog, as yet.
I don't even know what I would, this is where I'm beginning to feel old, like, I'm not 100% sure I would know what they're talking about. It's like, you know, it's like the holding the camera, have you ever gone around with the camera? I guess you sort of did it with the expedient stuff. That was sort of like a vlog where it's like, you're holding a camera, and it's like, very one-to-one with the audience.
Okay, yep, yep, expedient was fun because they were just like, look, you know, would you do something for expedient? Well, if we could, if I could, like, pick a thing to do, and I just had an idea about, like, pretending to be, like, a travel photographer, or like, an amazing travel photographer, that was fun because I was like, yeah, we'll pay for your accommodation on your holiday, and you do that, and then everyone wins. Just getting a protector is listening. There was no transfer of benefit.
Traveling, you're doing this, you're an ambassador for Australia, what does it take to end up doing something like that, like, an ambassador of any type where it's for an entire country? Yeah, big deal for the country. I guess, you know, the fun side of things is that, you know, I mean, my wife and I, we love traveling anyway, like, someone I love getting out there, and going on holidays, and that's, of course, something that, you know, it's not a difficult one to go, okay, I'll do this, and let's officiate this partnership. That's the fun side of it.
Being an ambassador is obviously the other side of it, which is, you know, like, going to the UN, talking to other countries, like, stopping wars, making alliances, like, I hope that. I'm guessing you're not, like, in the tourism bit, you're not covering that sort of stuff. I don't, yeah, well, I don't tell them I'm a tourism ambassador at the UN, I just say, I sort of like mumble the tourism bit, and I'm Australian ambassador, so let's talk. And I have had a few calls from Scott, and I've had a couple of tellings off, because I've made a few soft alliances with countries that I thought could just be an edger, and, like, could give us a couple of, you know, it could be a fun person to bring to the table, and he's like, sort of telling me, oh, like, you know, there's process to this stuff, we have to go stuff, we would unupset China and all that.
So I'm learning, I'm learning, you know, we'll refund the tanks to Venezuela, I made an mistake. I'm sorry, it's my first week doing this, I'm trying to encourage people to have holidays, and then trying to sort of organise a stronger military presence in the South China Sea. It's a big job, man, it's a big job. What's going on?
Have you seen that there used to be a hotel, it was in sort of like the northern part of Australia, where it's like, I think it was like, it's sort of like, up, sort of like, top of Queensland, where it was a floating hotel? Have you seen that floating? No, no, no, no, no. Like an old, like a steamboat?
No, so it was actually, it was a hotel that was, I think it was right next to the Great Barrier Reef, potentially. And you hope it's, you hope it's, was built at a time where they understood like the ecological impact. I'm sure don't. It's like toilets flushing stone to the reef.
Well, I think it had that vibe, because it ended up, they ended up shipping it across to North Korea, but I just ended up on this rabbit hole of watching this dog go to North Korea. Yeah, and they like set it up there. Oh, geez. I mean, it's one of those stories where I don't know enough.
So I probably shouldn't have brought it. I mean, I should know, it's the end, I should know about the history of all hotels. I'm going to chase that up. So I think we can get it back.
I think we can get it back. Obviously not on the reef anymore. I think we need to protect the reef a little bit more than we have. But let's see if we can check it somewhere else.
Check it out. There was the David Attenborough.co. Have you seen the social dilemma? Have you seen this guy?
Yes, yes. So if feel, everything feels a bit dark at the moment. It feels like. It doesn't, I've watched both of those.
You know, two nights apart, three nights apart. So just, you're just like, I think if you watch those books together, you basically go, uh oh, I spent so much time looking at this thing, you're fine. Did I forget about this thing? Key worth.
It's so annoying. You're stopping me, stress eating is watching like one of their documentaries on health. Like, because I feel like that was a big thing. Remember Netflix?
Everything was, it was like the sugar film. It was the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was all that stuff as well.
I mean, I've been to get your thoughts on the Attenborough. Doctor, I mean, I loved it. And I love, I just love him. He's like, you know, I think it's one of those ones where he's, he's so sort of, you pick who's like, well, we don't have to have a David Attenborough.
Like, you realize you're lucky to have someone like that. But like, represents the brand of the wild, like of nature. Even at, you know, this footage of him at UN conferences and stuff and like really going, tiny window now to, to save humanity. And I just grateful that there's someone that, that people care enough about to get that audience because there's probably hundreds of thousands of scientists that could know the same detail and could say the same thing.
But they're just not holding a crowd. And the hard thing about it in today's society is that he's a bit of a marketing game. It's like a, it's a, you're competing with, for attention and for people to care about this stuff, you're competing with weird other forces that like have just churn and burn, click baiting news and stuff. And that's the kind of the real tragedy is it.
I think that the hardest thing. So yeah, you're grateful. You know, you're like, we're so lucky to have an advert. And then you have that, it's a 90 minute doc.
And I felt for that first six minutes, you just feel that not building a stomach just going, oh, I did, man, we've blown it. Like we've blown this and what it takes to get out of this is just such a big, it's basically saying to people, hey, don't be greedy and think long term. And there's probably two trends that have increased over the last hundred years, it's be greedy and think short term. And that's the kind of sinking pit feeling you haven't used stomach.
But I think they knew that making that doc and they do spin. I think a good bunch of that last 20, 30 minutes going, all is not lost. It's a tough balance. They must know like it's no good making it a complete doomsday documentary, even though it's probably what you feel like doing, because that's the facts.
But at the same time, you can't get people false hope to be like, but you know what, if you just use 50% less plastic, try and eat vegan once a week, will be fine. Because that's not the truth, unfortunately. So I think they do a good job of going here, some broad things, some trends that we need to make habit for humanity that can arrest it and it's possible. How do you reconcile it in regards to you being of influence within Australia?
And then I feel like there'd be a bunch of people who would say, I could imagine in a given day, you'd be having people constantly saying, hey, this is the next thing that we need. We need people to know about this, and you're sort of the gatekeeper for all of these eyes and ears and all this sort of thing. How do you reconcile your influence and then working out what you do personally versus what you want to do or think you should do at sort of a more public level? Well, it is definitely, I mean, the environmental side of things.
And specifically, yeah, the environmental side of things I mean, I think a lot about the same massive level of anxiety as I suppose. We're just about a generation just going, you know, it's such a big problem. Of course, the only solution is action. And then, but I think there's also a part of me that goes, but I have, you know, you have 20 years experience in the public domain of knowing how people's attention works, when you can, when you're going to lose it, when it's going to be, when a message is going to be received.
Like, you can just yell about something, but you will lose, like, you know, people will drift away and you don't get that chance again. So to be honest, right now, this stuff right now where I'm at is like, I do care deeply about this. And I'm thinking about ways that we can do this properly too, because I think the real goal is to have people who weren't thinking about this, think about it. It's great.
You can stand up at the UN Forum for climate change. I'm not having a degree, but I'm saying, you know, you can stand up in a room for people that understand climate change and it's an emergency and talk to them about it. And that's fine, but it's like, it's the people that we all know that are like, oh, I heard that, you know, it was being fixed or it was being blown up, or, you know, Australia's only 2% of emissions or whatever. Like, the people that have rationalised it and moved on, that's probably the people that are more effective for reach.
So you think about that, and then you just go, that's what ways are going on, because of course, and this goes for any cause, all causes are good causes. There's no bad cause. And so, you know, when people are in public life, I do think you've got an opportunity to help and educate people, but you also have to pick your moments, because that sort of, that contract with your audience who are there for one thing, like you can't get too carried away just going, everyone will love everything I have to say. You don't want to snap that, just because you watch a documentary.
So I think it requires sort of like a measured response, but having said that, the environment, the future of humanity is something I care about deeply. I love humans. I'm very fond of the ones that live in my house. I would love them and their children to be growing up on a planet that he's taking care of.
And one thing I really liked about the documentary too, which is, I think a slight change to the message, which is, and it's the thing that I get frustrated with when you talk to people who are quick to write off climate change, activism as just being, you know, too, you know, too hysterically green or whatever. Well, it's not about, it's actually not about saving the planet, because the planet Earth will be fine, like it won't be fine, but it won't be fine by our definition fine, but it will be here for another 10 billion years. It's been here for a billion, it will be here for another 10, but like it used to be covered in lava. It doesn't care how hot it gets.
It's immune to heat. It's the animals that live on the planet that need it to be a very, very, very insanely specific temperature. And that's the difference between saving the planet versus saving the plants and animals that live on the planet and in the oceans. Having Zoe and seeing what she does in regard from a business perspective, like being day to day watching how she operates and runs a business that is not just like a brand perspective, but it's like actual consumer products and things like that.
Yeah, what have you learned or taken away or can you give some insights into what it's like at the back end of a business where with 2020? The back end of a business is, you know, I just don't think there's any accidental successes. I mean, so is like anyone I suppose in business is working flat out. Then on top of that, there's a layer of you're in the hands of the public, like you're in the hands of your consumers and like is the wrong way, but then there's a layer of random chance that goes on top of that.
But I don't think there's anyone that's successful that is just like not really paying attention on the back end and kind of is accidentally successful. I'm sure there's a lot of people that work flat out and aren't achieving the kind of, you know, the market penetration that would hope to be achieving. And that's that layer of chance that's on top. But, you know, those obviously running a super successful and loved business.
But she, I think it's a real people set the tip of the iceberg. Like she's, I've got, I'm so, I'm extremely in awe of the way she goes about because I also know, and she said publicly a lot that she didn't set out to be in business. She said it to make, she's a great writer. She's excellent communicator.
She loves people, she loves women. She wanted to make skincare great and fun. And it was that creative side that drew her into wanting to start the business. But the reality is like once a business starts to grow and you've got customers and you've got, you know, warehouses and supply chains and supply chains and regulations and 55 different versions of the formulation coming in.
And, and the, and then social in the actual stuff, right? Like if you think about a huge amount of social impact stuff, but I'm really proud of Sophie Stepp, I'm going, I want to understand and lead and learn more and set a great example to the women that look up to her and the young girls that look up to her, I think is incredibly admirable. And all of those things have nothing to do with writing funny stuff on the side of a moisturizer, which is what she got into it for, to do. So I've seen her go through a massive learning curve.
And then on top of that though, there's a real difference between going through the learning curve at a company, like if you just were like, oh, I don't know, I just like scammed this job in finance, but I had to learn on my feet. And I learned a lot that there's a huge difference in going, I think going through a learning curve when you just work for me versus when you are the founder. And so you're learning a lot all the time, but you're always in the position where ultimately the buck's up to you and you're making the call on things. And for anyone that's at the top of a business or an organization, I think, and we've even, you know, even people are doing government, you have this perception that there's like a right way and a wrong way, a playbook, a set of advisors who are like, do this, we can't lose.
But it's just not the way the world works. You're just always making the best, like, as if there's a single truth. Like the thing is, I think the other part of it is it's like, not only is there no single truth, it's your, the truth from 2019 is not the truth from 2020. You're working on the remembering project at the moment, going back into the archives.
How cancelable are you from all the shit that you've done? I'm doing it in two thousand five minutes. So it's like, let's bury this, let's bury this, let's bury this, this idea, looking at the run sheet, you know, I mean, I get, we haven't come about anything that we would, that so far is just going, okay, that was a very different time. I actually, maybe, I mean, I do actually, something popped up at the time and what it was, which I'm sure if we dig, it'll be there, same for anyone.
What we have, what we have realized is in terms of what was true of yesterday, what was true and what's true today, of course, those things shift. But it's more of the quality matrix, I suppose, of going, oh, we thought that was great at the time and it's just not the kind of thing you would do today. But I'm glad we're finding that too, because when our show was, when our radio show was big, like it's getting to the station, we were pretty old guys talking about the high date. Like, I think we were right at that point, we're talking 12 years ago.
That's, that's enough water under the bridge now. Like, if you're in U12 talking about prep, that time has passed and you've become a different person. So it's fun, it's really fun to look back on. But I, that's why we built this podcast, I mean, for people that don't know, this is just me and Andy, we kind of, it's like a random day from the past and one talk break from the show and we have all the run sheets from my world shows and so, and all the audio.
So we look at the run sheet trying to remember what would have been going through our minds that day, then we listen to the audio. The reason we did it like that, rather than just doing a highlight, I mean, I think it would stand up, but just rather than calling it like, hey, he's the best bit. So it was like, we know it's not going to be great by today's standards. There's like, that would just be embarrassing to be going, hey, guys, this was funny in 2007 and it's bloody funny now.
So laugh. What's the context that like Louis Therus got a series at the moment where he's going back to the archives and he's at home or whatever he's going through. And it's awesome. It's like the same, like so much of the stuff is things I've already seen, but he's bringing it bring it into a context.
Yes, I saw an article about him talking about that. And I would love to say that. Yeah. He also wrote a book, I think where he goes back and meet some of the people that he's he's met on the journey.
I was surprised in the, you know, the interview with him about that show was how many people he stays in contact with, like he stays in contact with a bunch of the people he's interviewed. Yeah. I mean, it is, it feels like he's type of role, like it's a bit of a moment in time around, like it's very specific, like it's sort of interesting to think of like this, that writer, documentarian, like he sort of follows that sort of BBC path. I just, I wonder what that would look like.
I wonder what the next versions of the Louis Therus in the world will be like. Yeah. I mean, but at the time, I suppose like 15 years ago, like to just be gone, like to do rather than to talk about. And that was, he's early stuff.
I remember was really that notion of like, all right, well, I'll get, I think there was like, you know, the plastic surgery one where he's like, yeah, I'll get, you know, literally, I think he was gonna get lipo. That was just the whole porn one where he did like a full nude shoe, something. Yeah. And so in his party was like, I'm going to jump in the pool nude.
And I think early on, that was the hook, I guess, to be like, look, this guy actually does it. I remember the hunting one where he was just so clearly not down with hunting. And he was in like a game reserve in Africa. And he was in a hide and sort of had the crossbow set up.
And I was just like, oh my God, he's going to, as someone that was in TV myself, like starting and intelligence myself, and you sort of think, you go, oh, well, what, you know, if I was making the show, what would I be doing now? I was like, Oh my God, he's having a killer animal for just because he's like paying himself into a corner. And then he just, he, you know, whether we're playing on our own, he backs down on him. And he's like, I just don't feel comfortable doing this, which at the time, I loved watching.
Because I was like, Oh, yeah, I, I guess, like being young and and like not probably less secure about, you know, what you can't realize and you can't make your own choice, even if you're on camera. Like that's good TV is watching someone be authentic. I just had that dumb idea in my head that, well, once you've said you're doing something and camera, you have to do it because that's basically what all our stuff was just like pea pressuring each other into like jumping out of planes and doing eating weird shit and stuff like there was no option of backing down in the stuff me and Andy were doing. So I kind of loved what I remember that stuck with me that he was like, I'm not going to do this.
And that's that that's now part of the doc. Well, I think that he gets a lot of people talking about sort of like a faux naivety with things. Like he's coming to this thing, acting a little bit dumb or he was kind of boring adding it a little bit. Yeah.
I think he would be able to make the call. But I think he does a great job of he would never he will never lie to get someone on the track. He will allow them to run their own race. He doesn't stop it with the same things that we know watching it like bigoted or homophobic and things like that.
But he will never start that conversation. I suppose that was his art. And I think that he's had sort of a transition from if you look at the weird weekend the early days, it was very much more sort of like an English guy in the US playing up that sort of character to do you find with Hamish and Andy the Hamish that you play on air, like I think it's a version of you. But I think at the same time, there's and I was speaking to Jack about sort of the one dimensional nature that you can sort of fall into with if you're doing a show all the time.
Cackling Jack, right? Like cackling Jack. Can he, you know, we see what he's doing with Jackie Rose studios and all that sort of thing. And it's so good.
And you see, but you see how a format can force you to say, OK, you've got to stand your line because that's what you're really good at, but it's also a little bit of a mind fact because so for instance, you I feel like your character is sort of a little bit loose, a little bit lazy, you know, sort of probably not even like it don't have any sort of athletic prowess, all of these things, which like is actually not the case. And so like what is interesting is it's like, oh, hey, like, how are you going to go going up that hill or whatever? It's like you're fucking destroyed. You've been up since five Goggins this thing.
And so how do you how do you reconcile you as an individual, which you are a bit, you are even though you are Hamish fast and loose, you also have these like type A qualities. And so how do you reconcile? Yeah, it's a great question. And I think there's a difference probably between like definitely going back.
In time, you're like, OK, that's, you know, when I was 24, that's probably pretty accurate snapshot. So maybe a little bit of a character or that little bit of that version of me was more truthful at 24, like I was a pretty chubby, sloppy, you know, unorganized dude. And you and Zoe are the only thing that's keeping brain eye sign at the moment. It's like, well, at 30, I was pretty sloppy.
You remember he came back and he was he was he was probably my way now. Like I was still God, I can still Goggins this post New York. I was that's that's why I had to head, which is what I did. Like there's a point where it's like, you're just so sad, you know, I'm going to look like Travis Fimmel, you're looking for that baby.
And so how do you how do you transition or like, do you like, how do you? It's not even transitioning. How do you reconcile that people know you for something, but you are changing as a person? I think I'm fine with that.
You just go, well, that's, you know, you know, that when you get into this world of going, you know, my name's Hamish. That's my friend Andy together. We do a show called Hamish and Andy, which is exactly us, right? And it's not, it's not that we, you know, we have tried to, you know, you try to keep that on a part of you as authentic as possible, but you do grow over time.
So you're right. So there becomes a bit of it. Like, well, we've learned how to do this dance, right? Like we've totally learned how to feel 40 minutes of space with, like, we can keep a rally going for 40 minutes, but there are some shots that we know are preferred, right?
Like you just, it's, you're right. Like it's, it's almost like a labor saving thing. Like you just know the areas to play and not that you want, you never want to get sort of stagnant and boring, but you're always, you're always, I suppose you're constantly evolving that chemistry and that routine. Now that, there's a chance that personally outside of the show, you're evolving in a different, right or in different directions.
And then you are finding ways to go. Well, you make sure that when you're back on the mic and it happens slightly, it's like turning a boiled anchor. You are, like, you know, there's, you know, I'm like, quite clearly not the guy was when I was 25. Like I'm a, I'm a dad and I'm interested in different stuff, but it's, at its essence, I think the, the thing that me and Andy have still is interesting.
There's still kind of a fun friction between us that's, that's like, that generates sparks somehow that, but we're different people now. And it's obviously really different too. So we're different people now that are generating like different kinds of sparks. So that's why, yeah, you can't be those guys forever.
Like things do evolve and do change. Cause the funny, I feel like there's, uh, funny has a bit of truth to it. And so if I use my own example, it's like, uh, I'll say I'm going to do things. I take these massive, uh, you know, I'm going to do a million steps in a month.
And I get injured or whatever it is. And so the character that I've built is the guy that doesn't, like, says he's going to do something and doesn't do it. And so that's funny. But then there's the thing that's also true is sometimes the most painful thing.
The thing that like we know to be true about ourselves are the things that we want to change or that we don't like. I feel like there's definitely being times where, uh, you know, TJ and I have said, uh, like, uh, I don't really want to, like, I don't want to do that bitch anymore. Or I don't like that's actually not me now. Or like that's like, I don't find it, even if it's funny from an audience perspective, there's this idea where it's like, you feel like there's a disconnect between the joke and you as a person.
Yeah. Have you had those scenarios where you're like, hang on, like, I don't want to be this. And is that coming from ego? I don't know, like maybe, maybe, maybe it is, but in a pretty normal way, I suppose we all, we all have an attachment to our identity.
We're thinking about, we all think about identities a lot. And that's driven by ego. Um, maybe I would say that honestly, the way that I've always viewed it is, you know, you want what, what we like doing is creating funny stuff. And so if it's, if it's given to the point, it's like, well, it's, it's now not funny because now there's a lot of reasons that could not be funny.
One person could just be really uncomfortable. And then that stops something being funny. Genuinely uncomfortable. Like just going, well, I'm really not interested in, you know, just caring.
Well, I care. So for instance, it's like, uh, for 99% of things with Tommy and I, it's like, uh, from a business perspective, I'm driving that and I'm like happy to do what I love it. But there's, there are obviously the moments where I was like, actually, this specific business thing, I've got a different opinion on it. And then sometimes it can be friction because you're saying, okay, well, that's not normally the, that's not the place that you're normally playing in.
True. So that's being, that's being exactly. And so it's like, how do you, um, how do you play your character or play, like, work out the best, uh, role that you play within a team, but then also understand that like we're all, we're all constantly evolving and fluctuating saying, Oh, like, the thing I didn't care about. I know I said that I didn't care about this, but now I actually want to do this on this.
True. I guess it's like you got the on air switch, the office, which kind of thing, like, and we have a, we just have a ton of fun on it, like, especially with the podcast, like it's a great playground. And, and I'm a firm believer in, you know, funny, funny wins, not at the cost of hurting someone, but like, Hey, I got no, you know, there's no vanity in company. I got no need to go, by the way, you know, what, like, if something, if I, you know, if it was something about, uh, I bet you couldn't do 10 pushups.
And if that was, if that was funny, if that, if the joke required a slight suspension of disbelief for me, we could do 10 pushups and we were having a laugh about it, I think any part of it that stepped in to be like, well, actually, fucking you, man, watch this. And he's 10 of the Christmas pushups you've ever seen. That is just ego. That's just not one wanting to, that's not funny.
It's funny. Failing it. That's funny. But by the same time, it doesn't mean you have to deliberately pretend that you're an idiot to, to keep things funny.
You just, I think what happens is as you grow personally, we've probably seen the show and our relationship evolve and grow into other areas too. Um, and there are some things, you know, since we're talking really, honestly, yeah, about the mechanics of comedy, there are some things that I just flat out like me running the rib of these mics, which is, so the people that get the joke is just funny because it upsets him. Now, this goes back to the realm of like, it's not all about not obtaining people because it doesn't actually upset me more, just like, if you really want to dig down on that joke, what we're doing there, I suppose, is laughing at the audacity of one person to make up a boldface lie about the other and the other being forced to deny it or it being like a tacit admission. I mean, it's so ridiculous to us because Andy, you know, has, he's a, well, I don't know, he's like, oh my God, I can't resist, but you know what I mean?
Like, it's like, that's, you know, if any did turn to me, I was like, I find this really, really upsetting. Um, I mean, off there, because I feel like I think if he did that off there, I go, oh, great, man, what would we do about it? Or not even about, like, on your stuff, like, I feel like from a, because the funny thing, using a filter of funny is great and it's, because it becomes very easy around. But not at all, not at all.
It's like, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But so from an off, from an off-air perspective, how do you, how do you reconcile roles in that space? So for instance, what you wanted, the reason I bring it up is because I wonder it's like, we're constantly evolving.
We're constantly like, everyone within a team is constantly on their own journey. And so the thing that you wanted a 25 is different to the thing you wanted. 35. And so I think it was saying, I don't know if this is, I've attributed this correctly, but I think it was young.
It was what's true in the morning of your life is a lie in the afternoon. It's good. You know, you change. I like that.
And so how do you work out changing people within the context of not so much from a content perspective, but relationships within business and roles and how it all fits together? Good question. I mean, I haven't really thought about it before, but my initial gut as an answer is I think it comes down to your priorities. So, and a balance of priorities too.
So one of the priorities that I've always had is, well, we obviously like making stuff. And the priority is we want it to be good, but one of the prerequisites for that being good, we have to be having fun. So if we're not having fun, we've got a problem because both people having fun is a pretty key ingredient to the kind of thing we like making. So we know that's a priority.
So we'll be like, okay, well, as we change. And the other thing that we have a lot of value on is like, well, we want, we want people to be having fun, but there's also a friendship side of things that we give priority to here as well. So if we're then on the personal side things, we're changing, revolving, things are happening, if it begins to, if it begins to great against the friendship or against, if one of those things begins to great against each other, that's probably where you stop and go, well, what, we need to make some changes here to maintain some of the priorities. And maybe if the show has, if this idea of making stuff has got in the way of us being friends, you know, and we have prioritised being friends above the show, that's, we're going to have to make a choice.
So we're going to have to dial some things down and turn some things up. And I suppose it's just how that's the path that you navigate the whole time. That would be my, that's probably in my mind, how you rationalise changing people against an evolving relationship. Is there, is there a go to mechanism if you're feeling that way where it's like, are we going to take, take a break or we're going to, like, let's, let's not chat before the show, like are there certain things where mechanisms that help?
I mean, I guess unconsciously we've had them over the years, whether it's a, just catching up for a beer or a walk or it's, it's a, it's a spontaneous chat in a hot tub overseas somewhere. I suppose different, I mean, we're a two man team and I'm sure the same rules would apply, that'd be different for, say, a three person team or a four, four teenager team or a team of eight old women, you know, it's, I suppose it just comes into checking in and age teams and have their different dynamics of how they check in and how they listen to each other. And then, you know, I suppose it's what I was saying about, so before it was like, there is no playbook. You're on your own.
You're trying to make the best choices you can and, and, and track on. And then so radio karate, where it's, there's four of you, there's Ryan, Tim and then you and Andy, what's the, do you, are you a business guy? Do you like business? Like you talk about Zoe, you know, she likes writing funny shit on the side of, you know, products and then it becomes this thing.
Is it something that you learn to love the business side of it? I think everybody probably has their different attractions to different parts of it. I, I'm aware of business, like I'm, you know, I was studying commerce and stuff at uni, I'm interested in business. I'm fascinated with, I suppose, like, you know, I am interested in businesses and I understand the, I'm interested in the fact that you could, that we've been, I mean, the real reward for us, I suppose, at the bottom one is here's the thing that we've had fun doing and we got to turn it into a job and I suppose the process of turning it into a job was business and there is a business element to that because then you've got money in the mix and I suppose that's sort of what Zoe's gone through.
He's like, here's the thing I thought would be really fun and I love doing, but, but to turn it into, but to get to keep doing it, I had to make it a business or that was the choice that was made. And so the reward is you get to keep doing your fun thing and the cost is you have to be good at business to some extent. So, but you know, in terms of, in terms of me personally, do I love the business side of things, I, I'm, you know, if I had to be a binary yes or no, I'd say I'm, you know, if it is, and I don't think it ever should be a business versus creative, but I am, my, my brain is just drawn towards the creative side of things, the making of things and, but I'm happy to intellectually think about the business side of things to when, when it's required. But ando has a real nap, he has a, you know, just like a, it's, it's in him, it has, you know, we laugh about business, sharp business, business, business snake, but he's no sharper snake, but he's just, he's like, but he's, he's in him, he's, he's, that's how he thinks and, and strategically, he's got a very good strategic mind and, and he just, I don't think he can turn it off and I don't think he should, like, that's, that's one of his superpowers.
It feels like at 2020, and it's been having for the last few years, businesses talking about failure and talking about like, there is the, there's a real move, like I think when the daily talk show started and with big media company, this is all come at a time where the format, the format of our show is the highs, the lows, we have like, you know, blow ups on the show, but then like, but we, you see every light and shit, like, okay, let's just communicate, let's try and be as honest as possible, when the mic turns on, what's the worst that could happen? Yeah, I like that. And so, but Hangus and Andy was created in a time where that really isn't like, that's not an expectation. It's not expectation for us.
And it was never a, it was a stick, and so that's a content, but so that's a content thing. But what I'm wondering is it's like, you see, like, look at, you know, your best mate Ray and how much he's evolved over the last couple of years in regards like creative fulfillment and just really sort of understanding what he wants and, and just, you can see it in the work. And so, there's a huge amount of evolution and it feels like if I listen to the way that he speaks, it's of that slightly more transparent vulnerability or sort of talking about, exactly. And so, how do you, like, I'm just fascinated with, say, even like working dog or like, you know, radio cruddy, any of these businesses where it's like, how obviously it's not all of a sudden going to be this thing where it's a switch, and it's like, okay, we're having these more sort of vulnerable meetings where we're all talking about our feelings and really deconstructing and working out, like, do you think that that's, that's a thing?
Is that like it from a business perspective? You mean doing it really? Or just doing it at all? No, not even publicly.
Like, I think that it's, it's, we're in a unique situation with our show where it's like, we do do it publicly, but taking that off the table, taking off like, any form of like, narrative building or shtick that's on air, the actual idea of emotional conversations or going through and like, this is how this made me feel or, or how's everyone going, like, being really tapped in on that. You might have some examples from like, Zos work, like, do you find, it feels like business in general. Bre works at Hey, Tiger, they always, like, always talking about the feelings, it's all like everyone, like, and I feel like, especially in COVID, it's like, that's the question everyone's asking, it's like, how are you going? I feel like there was a time in business where it's like, we don't really want to know what we care about everyone, but at the end of the day, like, we're not using a whip, yeah, we want you to be happy so you can keep performing your job.
Exactly. And so how, how do you, how do you sort of perceive this sort of movement into opening up as you? I think it's terrific. Yeah.
I think, I think the whole, look, I mean, I'm a, I'm a big proponent for, you know, happiness first. And I think a big, a big part of that happiness has been, is understanding essentially how you feel and what you want, like, and where you're going. And to, but also, if you're in a team to have empathy for your team and for what they are caring about, too. And so I think those conversations are like a critical, not just for business, but for life to go.
If you, if you've got something that's feeling something, you know, and you genuinely care about your team, you want to hear where they're at and you want to hear their thoughts and, you know, the more people can, can express their vulnerabilities, their hopes, their fears, then in an ideal situation, if you're working with people that you'd love and there's an element of love in the team, that that's, that's how, you know, I think that love for each other is the engine with which you evolve. So then if you look at, say, how rise changed over the last few years, how does that then change business, like, and how much, how much, like, what do you want, what do you want from your business? I mean, I'd say that what rise doing is the exact, is a great personification of somebody, somebody following their heart and their gift to be happy, he's making things, and that's what makes him happy. The, you know, a flipside that would be making, we've been inserting a word before things, like making profitable things, or making, you know, mass appeal things that are there for, like, you know, could earn money or whatever it is, but that's not what he's doing.
I think that's, that's, so, you, you know, you always going to have that conflict aspect between going, if you, sometimes you, you know, if you want, if making money is the thing that we're talking about in terms of business, and that's the thing that makes you happy, I'm sure that there's lots of ways that people can make money, if that is what they've decided is the, is the thing that is they're calling. I don't think for many people that's genuinely the answer. I think, I think we're talking about like, what do you want to do for your work, which is what do you want to put in the world that you're proud of, that you feel that you've got a sense of direction or stewardship over, and then any success that comes from that, you feel like you've earned, I think that's a more satisfying place to come from putting work into the world. You feel the pressure in regards to having a team, like, do you feel the weight of, hang on, like, me deciding whether I have another year of podcasting me, or I have the year of this or that, it like, it has a big impact on like a bunch of people's lives.
It does, but, but also, I always just, all this stuff we're doing is like a bit of a bonus. And I think, and I think, if you think about the flip side of that, just to go, well, am I really working with a team, like, like, if I was like, no, no, no, I can't do the podcast next year, I just can't do it. Do I really think the team I'm working with will be like, well, bad luck, that's what we need it. So you're doing it and we don't care how you feel.
And no one I work with, I mean, most of all, Andy would have that perception. Yeah. And so on the hard times, so when things get tough, so obviously, like, fun is the goal, but as you can see with Zoe, it's like, it's not always fun. It's like, stressful, it's painful, it's people problems, it's, like, it's everything, right?
Across the whole spectrum in business. So then what's the, what's the filter? Because like, I think that you are the epitome of fun, like, that's like your brand value. That's what you're all about.
That's what you communicate. There's probably like a lot of people who are in the creative process where it's like, I think I'm, I have fun, but I'm also depressed or I feel like I hate working with people or like all of these struggles. How do you, how do you sort of deal with, where fun sits, where hard work and pain sit? Like, does that make sense?
Well, I guess we're talking about fun. There's fun and then there's happiness. So they're not the same thing. So you know, people like, yeah, okay, I have fun at work, but that same person could be like, but I'm not happy.
So what's the distinction for you? I don't know. What's the distinction for you? What brings to their own?
I'd say that probably the example where you're having fun, but you're not, I would say happiness is a state, right? Happiness is a state that requires that, I mean, there's lots of people that do research on this stuff and there's a lot of, you know, conventionally a wisdom and I've got all the books. I haven't read them, but I do. Got all the books.
The Dalai Lama's have a few things to say on it. But it's a state, right? And I mean, generally, like the, the, I would say that if you could boil down the wisdom on it from what I can get it, it's, you know, happiness is, it's in, it's, it's an internal state. Like it's not relying on external factors.
I mean, the Dalai Lama's seems like a pretty happy guy. But, you know, it's not externally based. And then, and, but then there's having fun. And I would say, like, for me, having fun is a fun thing to do, but it's an action.
It's a, it's a, it's a verb. It's a way to spend your time and your life, but the two, the two things that require different work, you know, happiness is, is a thing that requires, um, work, I mean, in the best possible sense. It's sort of like, well, you know, you're happy when you're being a good husband and a good father and a good friend and, you know, you're doing the work that you feel is worthwhile and, and you're being a good community member and you're thinking about others and like, I think those are the general. I mean, I'm massive, like, I don't think being happy is that easy, but it's, you know, generally the things that feed into happiness and then fun is, you know, going on a seabiscuit with your mates, uh, because that's a fun thing to do behind the speedboat.
So, you know, they're, they're, I just, I think they're, they're different things, but that's, that's my take on it. Um, so as someone that has fun or, or, or a chance, fun, I think, like, I think as a broader perspective, maybe it's like, uh, because if you take out the comedy part of it or that sort of like this, it can be fun to make people laugh, but that's not the only type of fun. I mean, I very much enjoy that, but there's otherwise they have fun for people. And so the fulfillment bit, uh, versus the happy bit, uh, but that's a great point, actually.
That's a really, that's probably really good way to put it in terms of fulfillment because if people just love bird watching and they go and they, they, they nail a spotted warbler, they haven't fun because they feel they've, they've, they've, they've had a, they had a goal or a need and they fulfilled it and they're having fun and, you know, it's not hurting them and that's, they're going to get too close to that warbler. I just, look, but don't touch. I mean, it might be hurting the warbler to feel, I mean, it is a bit perverse when you think about bird watching, but as long as the warbler doesn't know they're being spotted fun, but, you know, then for some of my men, like I like making people laugh. So you go about your day and you do something that makes people laugh and I feel fulfilled because that's something I enjoy doing.
And we're probably me and the bird watcher are both having the same amount of fun. Uh, just finally, like on a, like a awareness piece of like how you're feeling. Uh, how do you, how do you know if you're in a rut and how do you then sort of flip around? I think I'm in a rut.
No, I think they're like, no, what I'm, no, what I'm thinking about, I think about the audience. No, no, I think I'm thinking about the audience, right? I'm thinking about like so many people are in a certain state right now. So, so like I'm thinking about like what is, what is the, if I was to, if you were to do a temperature check, uh, around, you know, uh, not actual temperature, we probably will eventually be checking temperatures.
But if we were to, if you want a temperature check, I go shopping at a chemistry house, I'll get you as you walk in the door. Well, no, I think that it's, um, what I seek, definitely what I love about podcasts, why I love about all of these different things is it's like, uh, I enjoy, it was like, um, steam was, was on, um, resilience project and he liked the story or whatever, of like, you know, just people struggling and you can say, okay, you can have this, you can have a lot of other things right now, but then, yeah, I think easily one of the funniest guys in the world. And so that's the thing, like, I feel like you can, and so many listen to sort of Mark Marin or you listen to, you know, those kinds of podcasts, you hear, and for me, it gives me comfort because I'm like, I feel fulfilled, but it keeps the things like, I don't feel good all the time. And so what I'm always trying to reconcile is it's like, okay, like what, what is the, what's the goal here as you've described happiness isn't, uh, necessarily the thing, it's about like fun or fulfilled.
It's like, it's, it's service. Happiness isn't about being, having fun solely. I think what to me, there's a giant distinction between being funny and being happy. Yeah.
Um, I like to think that I am both a lot of the time, um, but I put more of, put more weight from, I put more personal, um, investment into the happy side of things rather than the funny side of things. Well, yeah. And I think that like, I guess the reason I bring up the rut stuff is it's like, uh, you're someone who, uh, loves to, loves to travel, you like, you know, uh, during winter time or whatever you get, you go away or that's something obviously now, uh, Australia, there's a lot of that. Um, well, there's 10 million, actually, 10 million, 10 million spots in Australia to travel over 10.
Is that suburbs? Or what's that? This is just spots. So you can't really tiny down too.
I mean, there's the car park at the right back beach. Obviously in the water at right back beach. They're sort of halfway up the sand. These are all different spots and you can travel to all of them.
You definitely, you've got that. You went by that. So on the, uh, you're, so I guess, I guess the question is it's like, there's the disruption that we've all felt, and I don't want to, like, I don't want the conversation, I guess, to be that sort of COVID thing, but it's definitely, I feel like highlighted what's being important to us and listening to ourselves and being like, Oh, why do I feel agitated or hang on actually? And definitely this week, right?
Yeah. In Melbourne. This week, we're, we're like, you know, day, we'll come to the end of whatever week it is of lockdown, which is will be, we will look back on this. I hope it's like a very unique, I hope it's unique in the sense that we don't have a third one, but we'll be like, well, it's darkest before dawn right now.
Like, you know, there's two cases today, but we're still locked down and everyone's like their batteries are at, we're, we've been in a power saving mode for a long time, I think. Um, but I think like for you, I guess, because I think you're a really optimistic person. And I think that that's what I think that you probably, uh, which makes a lot of sense. It's like, you've got this platform.
It's like, well, let's, like, let's be careful about the, the words that you use and the way that like falling into that trap of being negative, but it feels like at the moment there is this opportunity of oscillation where it's like, if the, the guy who has the perceived most fun in Australia has the best job, the best family, the best, like all of these things, like, I feel like it's such an opportunity for it's like, okay, like, what's where is it? Yeah. What is the, what's the? There's no doubt that it's been a strange time for everyone.
No doubt. My personal mindset day to day is, um, not, I would say not, I mean, I'll come back to optimistic in a second, but the, my personal mindset has been, there's still so many opportunities for good things to happen today. Little good things, little, I mean, I know we're super lucky because we've, this week, mother was good, but we've had both kids at home, you're wrestling on the couch, you're doing silly things like life is slowed down, but it hasn't, hasn't lost its chance, just because you can't travel to the spots you want to travel to, you've still got opportunities to do things. Like, and I look, I'm not being glib about it.
I can't get there harder and I, and we're extremely, I previously like going, we don't have, we're not small business owners, we don't have anyone in the family that's sick. There are people that have, you know, we're not healthcare workers, we're just faced an unbelievable burden. We are part of the society, we're part of the extremely lucky part of society that went unburdened, but just inconvenienced. So I, I, I do understand the training ones because you don't want to minimize the mental health impact of that time, but I'm also at the same time I hold the gratitude of going, but we still had so much that we're able to do and to enjoy and to love, and we'll never, like like it or not, it is happening.
And we'll never get, you know, again, I'll never get my little girl being three years old after this year. So now's the time to enjoy it. Like like it or not. It's not three years old on a beach, but it's three years old anyway, and she's still her and being silly and funny.
So an example, I guess would be say, um, I feel like this happens a lot in relationships where Brie will say, ah, like I'm not feeling great and pissed off or like, or it might be something like a personal issue with a person, right? So it's like, ah, this person's pissing me off at the moment or this happened at work or whatever it is, the playing the positive role, which is like, ah, you know, like it's all, it's all good. So it's like, or that person might be going through things, like playing the sort of like higher optimistic thing is a way to get kicked in the head, right? Like, like what Brie wants.
Yes. As a person. Yes. It's like a solution to stop feeling bad.
Yeah. Yeah. And so the thing is, you just, you just, you just, that's just marriage one. I want you.
So what do you do then? So when, when I'm saying like, this is shit, you have, well, it's very lucky, like we get to fight on the camera. Like, you don't take that. You don't take that.
You idiot. You just get an horizon chip. You say, I know, and then you start because the next thing you want to do is solve it. But that's not what, um, that's not what lives and girlfriends want.
Yeah, sure. They just want it. They just want to, I know. And then later on, you're trying to find a way to go.
Hey, isn't this terrific? Cause all that. Like, Oh, look at how cute really was this. And then we go to the other side and then go, so they'll go, Hey, they just went to bed.
Show me later. Okay. Wrong time again. And then later you share them something.
But it's, you know, that's, you know, that's what you need. Like when you're feeling, when you're like, Oh, this person's, like, I'm not happy about this. Or when you have a moment of not this perspective, which is in, this is how I'm feeling right now. I want to go for a fucking bike ride and it's pissing down my brain.
This was my only chance this week. It's like, I've got, yeah, you do think you come up with strategies and everyone's different. Hey, like if luckily for me, I do have exercises away that I'm a fan of like, I've got an exercise bike. You love riding in the rain too, because I've sort of got a theory of going, well, I like training for bike rides.
I like having a big bike ride to train for and, and then I'm sort of like, well, if it's raining on the day and you never rode in the rain and be in trouble, you need to be driving in here. You gotta do your hours at night. But honestly, I do like, and I destroy myself. I've got a lot like at home and I probably deliberately, yeah, I like bury myself on that thing because there's like a level, well, I've found for me personally, like mentally, I like the benefit to have going to a level on a workout where, you know, in the same with meditation, just forces you to be present, or that's the goal of meditation, when you are in a hole of pain of your making, like, no one cares that you're in the basement, just completely killing yourself.
But when you've made yourself suffer to that extent, there's just nothing, you know, it's a very honest place, like there's nothing else you're thinking about then trying to mentally get through to the end of, you know, the next minute or whatever it is. So that has been a helpful thing for me. I've found a box just skunking off to the basement and sweating it out. Can you talk about that?
Yeah, right. So interesting. I mean, this whole thing that we're going through, which is an unknown end to a situation we weren't expecting, there's a famous dude I'm paraphrasing here, the article, and I'll preface it by saying to all members of the military, I understand what we're going through is not the same as being in a prison or a war camp. But in the analogy of it being an unknown ending to a scenario, there's a dude that was extremely famous, I'm sure it's easily googled, but I think it was held by the Viet Cong for seven years.
And so, pretty much from the start of the end, almost to the end, door to the end. And he was interviewed about how did you, everyone else you were captured with over time, they died in the prison of war camps, and how did you mentally make it to stay, to keep going with optimism? You must be such an optimistic, no, no, no, no, those were the guys, the optimists were the guys that I knew were going to die early, because it was the guys going, all right, by Christmas, we're going home, definitely by Christmas, then Christmas would come and go, and they would give up. They had set all their hopes onto something, and I suppose his optimism, they'd have clung tightly to the goal, and when that goal didn't happen, it broke them.
So he was like, I just had that one day, eventually, this would end, and I would be a better person for it. And so, I would really mind that in the sense that he was much more about a state of being right now, rather than needing to be a concrete solution at a certain date or a certain time that would make him happy. And that's a tough thing to do mentally, but I thought it was a pretty interesting perspective on going, well, that's kind of what it comes into, in anything in life, it was like, you know, everyone's like, oh, 2020, we never saw that coming, well, what do you do you see coming? No one's even coming, like every year is insane.
So we're such narrative builders, and so the thing is it's like, I think of it, and pretend that every year from post September 11, that was the last surprise we had, and then everything else has been predictable and worked out perfectly, and then 2020 came along. And it's not true, like life is, tomorrow's promised to know, and life's not the guarantee for anyone. So I think, you know, I'm not the first person to say this, and I'm certainly not the most qualified by any stretch of the imagination. But for me, I try to just go, well, you know, it's the here and now is all you can really look after.
Yeah, it's interesting talking about this stuff, because I think that it's like, it's not necessarily like why I love speaking to you about it, it's because you're someone who's smart, you read stuff, but I think that the optimism side, like I think you're one of the most optimistic people I speak to, like I think that it's, and so, Then that's probably just faith, isn't it? That's just faith. I believe in good, at some point, in some way, shape or form, but I know it's a fool. I'm not implying that you're going to die because you're too optimistic.
No, no, no, but I suppose it's a fool's errand to go, here's what good is going to look like, and it's going to happen in this way, on this day. That's the bit you don't know about, but I think you can, if you look around, you can find a way to cultivate enough faith in good anyway, somewhere, somewhere. So do you look forward? Are you excited about anything?
Yeah, totally. When you're excited about it? Well, I'm excited. I'm honestly, I get excited about circumstances rather than I suppose specific things.
So, yeah, we'll probably be opening up, you know, when you're hyped, but the restrictions are less than that means more randomness and chance and excitement and options will start flowing back into people's lives. And I think that will buoy people. And honestly, this thing that I know doing with tourism Australia is super, like, it's a dream gig for both of us because we are going to get to go on these crazy holidays and adventures under the guise of ambassadorship. So honestly, like, you know, that's one thing that I'm a big believer in the 80-20 rule of holidays, which is like 80% of the fun is the anticipation and the planning, and that's the stuff we've been doing at the moment.
So even though I might not end up going on the 25 different trips that I'm planning online, it's still been a fun pastime. How are you planning? Are you using certain apps or how do you take pictures? I started being just unbad.
Honestly, it's a word, it's probably the least, there'll be people out there that have put their whole eyes into inventing these apps that are meant to be for exactly this mission. And then they'll see me, like, on notes, just typing in manually, must visit, you know, must visit Bay of Fire. It's like, no, that's why we've been at the app. It's about Fridays.
And so, like, could you, I know we haven't eaten, but if you could eat something that's a little bit indulgent today, I know what I'll be doing. Well, usually on Friday nights on I, you know, we'll have a martini and we'll go through this silly dance of me going, I'm going to do some chips in the air fryer and her going, no, no, no, no, I don't need them tonight. And then going, come on, I'll just do a few, then I do a few, and she's like, why do you make such a little bowl of chips? And then I have to do more.
I was like, I already know we've got chips on the horizon tonight, but the other thing is like, what sort of potatoes do you use? No, no, no, wait, like, you know, either I don't mind a col, like you just get like a coles be about it, like frozen chips. Oh, great. Yeah, that was it.
Mate, this is a new thing that I've discovered. You don't have to get them delivered, like because it delivered chips, they're always soggy and all that sort of thing. Yeah, that's the thing. But frozen chips and pretty inexpensive.
So like it is the biggest, like $2.50 for like a kilogram of chips. And so this is, I think that there is something, I haven't executed on this yet, but the idea of never, like, if I was really organized, always having drinks in the fridge and having the chips and putting, doing the order, putting the chips on, you're only ordering the burger, you have the, you know, you drink so you don't have to, you're not paying sort of four bucks for a drink. Yeah, it's temperature. It's a temperature trade off because it like unpaid, but it's make a great chip, right?
They do. You're getting it in store. It's like, you can't beat it. It's cooked.
I mean, there are two different tastes of the air fryer on the oil. The air fry is like a 97% perfect situation, but an oil chip is still an oil chip and I will grant it, but you've got to eat it at the source, like a restaurant fry is going to be right. But you're right for home. I think the, I've got to a stage where I'm confident the air fry wins with the right brand of chips, the right town, the right town in the air fryer.
You're just using baked. So for instance, we just, we don't have an air fry yet. And so like we have a lot of random bits and people, like we've, you know, we've had the juices, we've had the salmon. I went through a stage of air fryer.
I think it has to be healthier than deep frying a chip because there's no oil. So there's a, you know, spirit of winning or something. Well, yeah. Well, even with just friends, you can literally just check them in the basket.
Close it up. They come pretty bad. But you're not putting them in oil and like. So what are they doing?
It's just doing something. No, no. It's magic. No, I think they're literally, they're just in a box of hot wind, which is what the, I think the air phrase is.
It's not like a soup. No, but it's not. I think the wind factor is what? Yeah.
I think because it's like so fast the wind. It's like a Dyson in there. It's a fan force. I remember.
I think because it's like a little box that can really concentrate the wind and that seems to be the magic. But I mean, I don't know how they do it, but it's essentially like anything that would benefit from crispiness, that is what your air fryers for. So I'm putting frozen apple pies in at the moment, super crispy crust and juicy and inside fried chicken with any air fryer. Do you make your own fried chicken?
So you marinate the chicken pieces like in a butter milk throughout the day and then literally just dip and just then put them in flour and then put them in the air fryer and you do, I do, you do get that like a light spray of oil if you're like an oil or something you spray that, but that's, that's it. And then it just crisps up. So you'll have chips tonight. I'll have chips tonight.
Okay. Any nugget brand? Like are you waiting nuggets outside of like, yeah. No, I'm not going to hit a Mac as I'll still hit a Mac as I hit a Mac as yesterday before, but I will.
I'm not air frying nugs at the moment, not, not for any reason, but I feel like McDonald's is a, I feel like it's much harder to replicate the quality of a McDonald's nugget at home. Right. Yeah. Right.
So basically, fun and happiness, different things. And they're a lifelong quest for fun, happiness and McDonald's nugget is hard to replicate. And I'm projecting, and I'm projecting regards to a run. I must be in a rush.
Was I too negative? Oh, no, no. You're not too negative. Like, you know, maybe it's me projecting from you going, ah, but you know, surely he's kind of the same old Hamish forever.
And do you feel like you're in a rut? Okay. It's fun. Like there is something fun.
Like, yeah, it is. I didn't even get to ask you what your biggest challenge is, which is the coaching question. What's your biggest challenge? Yeah.
But I, but I, I have read, I'm reading the same book of the month. So I feel like I'm too. I'm too ready for it. Well, this is the problem.
So then I know you're going to go and what else. Thank you, Hamish, like, if you got lego masters, are you working on that? Oh, yeah. This is a long tail primer for season three, which I think will air probably, you know, may or something next year.
Can I just say quickly on the audio tag? Yeah. Well, I just said to Josh before we started recording, I was like, wow, these marks are really good, which I genuinely mean. I've been doing a bit of podcast stuff from home and I'm on a shooting mic.
The audio technical ones are incredible. And then Josh said you can keep it. Yeah. And I was like, well, I feel like I do a huge ad for these guys because they're an audio partner.
They're, they, they are people. I'll give you a tip with microphones for whatever reason USB microphones condenser microphones for the most part, a condenser microphone is an always on thing. So it's like listening, right? Whereas a dynamic microphone, it is activated by noise.
And so the thing is dynamic mics, which you're using, being nice and close. This is what all the, like most broadcast, like, um, yeah, that's like the dynamic type of thing. There's like, yeah. So I would highly recommend that one's the, the dynamic mic.
It's like the 80s. It comes with a little mini stand, which I, when you like, how you can keep it, okay, headphones because they got a brand new. Oh, really? Yeah.
Cause I tore the bag. I tore the box in the bag on the headphones. It's like, oh, no. Cause I was like, Josh, you know, you drop these at my house and I was like, he's gone to so much effort.
I was, as I was unpacking them, I was like, man, he really cares about his gear. These, these look like mint condition. Like I was, I was feeling ashamed at the state that I keep my like headphones or cameras and stuff in that box. I'm packing it.
And then I was unpacking the, the mic box. Look at all the cables. He's like done them perfectly. But it's brand new.
Yeah. You can get them like, uh, office works and stuff. Like it's, that microphone is only $150 microphone and it's, um, yeah, it's, it's, uh, really solid. It's really solid.
I mean, road to do good stuff. I feel like I'm. Yeah. So road, so road, can I just say what road to great?
I have their roadcaster. And you use Bluetooth phones. It's unreal. Yeah.
We have roads right for the, for the road, roadcaster stuff. The USB microphone, uh, the audio technical dynamic mic, I've, I've said a road to do a dynamic mic. It's the problem. They don't do a dynamic.
It's going to be a podcast. It's going to make us. The one thing, the one thing that I would say, there's no, uh, I don't like the Yeti. The, the Yeti is that the real big one that looks like a pill and people don't know where to point it and they end up pointing it the wrong way, but the, um, the stands, there, there is a good USB mic stand.
And so that they're essentially, you've given me this solid much. So that, that, that is a, it's a road, it doesn't quite fit the top. Exactly. So what I've done is I've taken a road mic, uh, their desk mount stand and then I couldn't get the, the audio technical stand or whatever.
I couldn't get the, um, I couldn't rip off the, the holder. And so then I had to find just a, a mic holder. So it is a Frankenstein solution, but the thing is, I don't know if you want me to say Frankenstein pretty good. Yes.
Exactly. And it's the, no, it's, it's correct. I think there's, um, the one other tip I'll give people, a solid internet connection. You've been great.
And it's a process that you need to use USB, or if you've got data on your phone and you don't have them. Oh, no, I don't. Is this going to cost me money? Yeah.