Part of it is cold so I feel like I'm cold, but I'm roasting Do you know what I mean? I understand, maybe I wish we had the other window, so it's not a breeze on here That's a really good idea Yeah, full ship, I don't know if I'm over I'll actually be both falling over at the same time That would have been like really weird because we would have just been kelp Helped, it would have made the most amazing podcast I don't mean falling over to the point where we both broken Ko-baller You were just like, you know, like in the house when you were away from me that time Oh yeah, yeah And I'm terrified It's hilarious, it's the best fall, best comedy faller It was a very good fall Me running around the corner and just seeing your legs were fine I just decked it, didn't I? I was scared, it was like, you know, obviously Fucking 50 million things going through it, like, what's she's at her edge? You know, like, actually Right, so I know you do the official starts, but um...
We'll just get going Yeah, I've been sound checking 50, priced, maybe limit the line Okay, so, 95 No, I think we've just done 95, we're on 96 Oh shit, we're on 97 Jesus Jesus I know, fuck, um, so are you gonna do it again? What? No, go on, let's do this Hello everyone and welcome once again So we're midweek, RTM wrestling Episode 96 Seven Jesus Christ What? Do you want to do business?
Okay Is the name of the show, now let's preface this a little bit with the fact that we've had a lovely meal A little bit of lamb, the wine is flowing I'm feeling particularly pissed Andy never gets on Oh, we started talking, yeah, just don't drink, just don't like it I know you don't, but this wine is particularly good I like the feeling, but I don't like the taste But anyway, we just find usually a drink experienced with fucking a hell of a go, can it? But, um, yeah, we started talking about wrestling I was like, you know what, I'm not in Word tomorrow, I'm not back until next Wednesday Oh my god, you're so lucky Well, yeah, I'm looking towards your ability You are? Why not talk wrestling? Let's do it, let's do it Because we started talking about a specific subject, we'll get on to a little bit later, after we've gone through what we've been watching And it's a good lot It's a good lot You can, fine Three quarters away, three quarters away, three of that Yeah, and why not talk about it with all you fine people In this time of self-isolated goodness So, what have we watched?
So I've watched a shitload of the fiend stuff, like I said, I was going to go Oh yeah, we went back and watched everything really, didn't we? Bit out of context, because obviously we weren't doing like the Rawens, but I don't see any of the Rawens back down stuff Which I kind of want to, but is that going overboard? I don't know What do you mean going overboard for us? Well, I've just been like, you know, getting like way too into it I've got like fiend t-shirts in a basket on the new shot now Waiting for that sweet day when they come below 15 quid Yeah, so we watched TLC, which was him against Miz when he was just him Which I thought was fantastic, and do they do they or do they not do that more on like Rawens back down?
Maybe, but I think that was something they should do sparsely But they should still do because it's brilliant I've watched a couple of the Rawlings ones, not all of them, which are very good Well, Christ, be brains gone, me brains gone so much You want to do this, podcast? I still do, great, be brain to watch What was the other one, what was the other one, Daniel Bryan? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Really good one, yeah, and I thought I was impressed by all And I'm still just as excited as I was when we finished the last show I've seen where it goes Absolutely So what else, NXT? Yup.
Champa, DiGano and also the Women's Ladder Match The Women's Ladder Match was good, it was some really good spots I thought, needless spots, and I say needless when it's like It's a weird thing to say that, but I always do it when like on a normal show Like it's a show with like no fans there, you know, and they're still like, you know, they could be only commended for that But they're still like, you know, fucking going off the top rope for the ladder And all that kind of stuff Which none of us would have battered and eyelid if they didn't do that sort of shit If they just did the normal kind of lathery spots But it shows you that they're still kind of going for it even though it's just a film thing And it's like a weird, no crowd kind of situation Yeah, still text a bit getting used to, don't it? Yeah It's still not quite, sorry, I'm trying to find this piece of news No, don't worry That's why I'm like, I'll keep going You keep going So Champa, DiGano I feel like I forgot what I was speaking, my mouth feels, didn't work God, I was not passing that I was disappointed with You weren't, I didn't like what was very good I liked the aesthetic, I liked the way it was filmed, I liked the spots talking, I like all that But I don't like, and what I didn't really want was Candice Lorraine getting involved I know what you mean Because it's not finished, it was supposed to be the ones that finish it Yeah, true And whether he's going up or he's not going to be on XC anymore, you know, DiGano coming out of it as a heel Was a bit me, it was a bit too easy for me I didn't quite, I either See, I liked it when she kicked in with the dick But I still didn't think it was necessary But then she kicked and he just like, he's laughing and he pulls out a corp Like I'm sorry It was a bit shit If anybody's got any experience with those cops They do not, I repeat, do not fucking stop All they stop is the energy you bit, it doesn't stop the pain, absolutely fucking not So, you see it all the time, you see when people are getting cupped jacked And they're like on the floor crying, you know, it's just, yeah, it's one of them But yeah, I could've done without them But I did like the start with Triple H was like when I go through that door, it's on Sounded like a parent didn't it? I know, yeah, I got a bit stopped Two fucking kids, it's like, if that's what happens If mum goes to work and dad's looking after two warring fucking kids So I'm gonna do kids, I'm gonna fucking, as soon as I walk out this room, you're gonna have a fight And then it's done, one fight to end all fights I don't wanna see it, because I'll get shit off your mum But you just saw it out, and what it's never happening again Whoever wins this fight wins, he just leaves a chair in the middle of the floor Definitely needs it in ten minutes But when he starts crying, that's it, but then that's it There's one Easter egg I'm just gonna shut this door You're gonna decide to stay You know the Easter egg is he goes and eats it Well, I can eat each other with a chair It just was so funny, he's sitting And I know the whole point was it was like, right, this got to be over guys But he seems really exasperated by it It was like, you know what, I've had enough of you guys for you to do He's a pro, he's a pro, he's knocking the reds together That's essentially what he's doing Well, nobody's fucking sick of it, nobody's sick of that Keep going, but the whole thing now, let me follow my watch I see if the rains are all The whole thing about that now is it's not over Like if- Oh no, it's reset, it's anything Yeah, exactly, exactly, there's a new reason to get fucking annoyed But like if, it's the whole like What you call it? The whole like rivalry was supposed to end there It's not gonna end there, is it really?
No, not gonna be You know what, I found the strangest about it And I said it at the time, was the extended ending Yeah, cuz I was- Then they walked out and were walking through the car path The feet crunching on the gravel, so it seemed A bit too long, then they got in What should have happened is, they should have gotten a fucking shit heart car With a top down, but they got in like a fucking SUV They got in a mum car, side driving a fucking soccer mum car They got in a mum car, and just slowly drove away And just slowly drove away, she maneuvered quite nicely Between that lorry and something else, lovely that, lovely stuff And then it just finished and I was like, okay, so that last literal About two minutes, which is a long time on air Yeah, absolutely, absolutely And I love all the ways that you said before Like it's gonna be an unnamed location An unnamed time, and you two are gonna go into an unnamed building I'm just gonna find an empty building somewhere, you're gonna go and do it When they got outside of the performance, they're gonna shit everywhere And they've driven, obviously they'll have to drive to the performance center anyway But the whole point with them getting an account and driving away afterwards Because it was in some remote locations And it was just fucking a big sign that says the performance center Like outside of the world It's a seal paper, another goddamn apple It sounds great, it's like what's gonna happen, it's gonna happen The whole ball kick in shit, maybe not that But then you guys are gonna walk out, it's gonna be like a fucking usual suspect You're gonna fucking walk out, you're gonna be like balls in because you're both like super heelish now You're gonna get in a car and drive away like badasses In reality, it was a really tiny gap that she had to drive through So she should have ten hours out of it Even though there was blatantly no, I don't know if it's okay I don't think so, but it sounds like, to me the only thing that's missing from that is an indication The sound waves on this podcast are like fucking mental I'm seeing forward to it, I'm showing No it's me, it's me, it's definitely me laughing But I think it might just be like the wine, it makes me slightly dead Maybe, my ears are a bit weird, so I'll try and make it happen It's not you, it's a hundred, I'm just not a tell you what, I push the mic run a little bit too I don't lean on the table like normal, but we should be alright with that Yeah, it's easy not to lean on the table, just don't lean on the table Just don't lean on the table Just don't how about don't I like it because I like getting into it with the eleventh hour We're having a dialogue, we're having buns Yeah, she totally indicated, oh that's so funny That's so funny What was gonna say? Yeah, for two people who were married They couldn't fucking speak to each other on the way out, could they? It was the worst, it was the worst, worst buns I've ever heard of before It was my old top band, she was like, how are you doing it, and he was like, yeah, am I right? How was that, you guys supposed to be keel now, be a bit more fucking bad now?
You guys were supposed to be married, you guys were fucking speaking to each other She was that close to asking him what he wanted for his tea I felt like that was his, yeah what'd you want to say, I've got a chicken out for him, ready for us tonight Chicken? Yeah, yeah, I was a hundred percent certain as well, and Gagana got that cup out, he was gonna start rubbing it in his face Yeah, he kind of almost did, he got it quite close to him But he didn't know, he was just showing it to him, if you're gonna go there, like it's a fucking coronavirus mask He's just rubbing it all the way to the fucking... You thought they might kiss? Well, I didn't think they would kiss, I said it wouldn't be funny after all this time, and all these fights They just kissed and that was it, they carry on the same way as they always are, but they're just a gay couple So there's nothing, there's no wedding, there's no fucking wedding, there's nothing like that But it's just known that they're a gay couple and they just carry on I mean, I think it'd be fucking tough, if there's anyone that I think has like, it was some serious, you know, like, hidden, homo-erotic undertones And I don't mean that in a bad way, it's just that they both know each other really well, they're always fighting, it's like going on gay And they always show like, oh, it was three of us mates, it's like the married couple and the dude It ain't bone in earth, it's just obsessed with Gagana Yeah, there's a third real one, she's called Candice Yeah, don't get it out of the way You know what, I do really like them, unfortunately, I think that the filmed match style doesn't suit them too, because they're so good at putting on a show for a crowd Because they really go the extra mile, they put their bodies on the line, they do some seriously shocking things, the sounds that resonate around a crowd when they hit concrete and stuff, when they pulled up the floor bits, it's been amazing And the filmed thing is a bit lost on them, so because then me and you were going, how kind of they just edited that?
Well, there was that bit with the kind of his normal, some other normal like, you know, kind of like a carolist door, but when he has his body back and he jumps off something Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and he did it to Adam Cole, let's take over as well That look like they didn't actually do that, and they jumped onto it like a crash mat, and then it was edited afterwards like they hit the ground And he looked a bit like that, however, they've done worse stuff, so I was like, well, if you might as well, to me, if you edit something, if you go edit something, you might as well not do it Because it doesn't, I don't think it changes the complexion of everything, enough to warrant that, and it's like in the... Reportable line. Go for it, I'll have it. Gonna make that googly sound folks, so from the bride, the wine breaver.
We're all right, we're all okay. We're all good, we're all good. But it's like the, a lot of match, which I mean, like Jimmy U, so the rest of me are the match, where Jimmy U, so like, flew to the outside of the ring And he doesn't show it before, but then it just shows him on the floor afterwards, and it's like, you've made a conscious decision to edit that Like, why, why not just have him, like, be hung up, like, come off at the normal, like, I just spotted the matches, someone gets pushed off and get hung up on the ropes and leave it for like an hour or like, say, you know, why not just do that Because it doesn't make any, you know, I don't think that he makes any difference, but it looks, when he looks like, when he looks how he looks, it means exactly that It means that I don't think it adds anything to the match, to do that And I think that's where the, the edits kind of like the audience down a bit, because imagine if Gagano and Champa have done that move, they just, it's how button everyone thinks it's It looks like it's edited, you know, it's, you can't really, it can't win at all. The only winners are people, like Undertaker, like with the Boneyard match, he won that because it lends itself so well for him being able to sort of like, maybe do retake, take his time, what's strong, be able to talk, that is his perfect place And the same with Bray really, you know, like he got to do so much more with the Five Life, one house that he ever could have done in the ring, whereas Gagano and Champa, it was a bit lost to the whole like, I think if they'd have done a filmed match in the studio and know the, you know, in the performance end, normally And I'll do loads of them, so I don't know what, what they might have done, but if that would have been much, I think it would have been better and just had Triple H come out and say the same thing, but this is it, this is the last one, ding ding ding, you know what I mean, they just doesn't work for those two, because all they do anyway is straight wrestling, once they get wrestling, they say the other thing to each other, but there's no real storytelling, it's all told through the moves, with those, the moves great, what they're so good live, like they're perfect, that just makes you go, have the editor that's disappointing, because if it was live you would have just done it.
Yeah, I know what you mean, I mean I still really enjoyed it, obviously they're making the best of a bad thing, but yeah, I'm with you, like it didn't, because I was super excited for it, and it didn't quite live up to it for me, but I do, there's a problem with, you know, every takeover match they've had, it's been like fucking 20 star matches, you know, so when there's someone that's just a tiny bit off, you can notice it. Yeah, definitely, I mean like their take over matches, like when we were watching NXT before them too got there, you know, it was like the fucking take over matches were ridiculous, but theirs have been completely like off the chain, amazing, so it's one of them where it's just like, why would you, why would you want anything else, but yeah, as soon as the sun drops a tiny bit, you know, it's tough in it, it is hard. But yeah, I find the whole like takeover thing just being like the NXT show, really weird, it just doesn't feel like it feels like it's completely lost all of its gravitas, because it wasn't part of the WrestleMania weekend, it could have quite easily been on Friday, I know SmackDown's my fucking brightest of Khan, but there's just, I feel like they could have done something, even if there's a split takeover and put it on both nights before WrestleMania for an hour and a half, do you know what I mean, so it was like a pre-show to WrestleMania, because it's just NXT. You know why they've done it though, don't you, I know, because they've got the big marquee matches on it and they want to get everyone watching on that.
Yeah, why? Because I saw an interview thing, because I keep looking for the ratings, because I know if it makes a difference, because regardless of the shit, because I said this before we started watching it, so regardless of if the matches are shit, on this week's NXT, you've got a woman's ladder match with some pretty big NXT names in there, and you've got a Gal Gal, and we've got a champion in a taped match, which both of the tapes WrestleMania matches got nothing but praise, unless you're a pundit, like somebody who like worked their job is to report on wrestling, but it's not a match. I don't know what happens to report on wrestling, some reason they all hate it, wonder why. That's what it's meant to say.
So that would have been, to me, that would have been a hype-trained type thing. I didn't see anything, because obviously Instagram's the only thing I look at. But I didn't see anything on Instagram, like saying, if you liked Five Five Fun House and the Boneyard match, well NXT's got Gal Gal, no champer, you know, at least on USA or whatever fucking chamels on. I didn't see anything like that, but I would have assumed we did.
So I'm dead surprised as well, that on WrestleMania, they didn't advertise at NXT at all. Or like as obviously the NXT champer goes NXT Women's Championship match, but they didn't say during that, or re-ripleak some NXT for which you can watch on. Yeah, there was no question at all, was there? No, which is strange.
Because they have to love you four. Yeah, they have to love you when there's like survivor series that we do. Yeah, it's weird. Just obviously it's just a weird situation, and every body and every company that we'd be included is just learning about what they can and can't do.
And like you said, when all this shit was filmed, they had like a few weeks to rehearse, and then a lead not to showing it, which should we even show it? I bet that was a conversation. So fair play for what they produced WrestleMania. It was awesome.
It was so good. I enjoyed myself. Sorry, that was a bit weird. I don't know if anyone noticed then.
We had to stop regarding and go back because it's one round-out doorbell, just get this shit out of us. It's fucking at half nine at night. Nine at night, and it worked even for us. No, well that happens a lot, doesn't it?
Cool! So we ordering takeaways in these thickness day and age. Just really don't be fucking black though. It just takes in.
Oh, I hate it. I've got to refill though. That was alright. That's always good.
That's a bit of chocolate. Are we going to get some Easter Egg? No, that's what we're waiting for. You just don't need to eat that.
Well you haven't? Like a good boy and girl. Oh, okay. Remember you're wine's going to say it's like shit.
I'll be about some chocolate. Fuck. It's about down because I know you're right. Yeah.
I started watching Friday night dinner, Friday night dinners. What's that? It's just a show but the dad in it always goes shit, shit, shit on it. Shit on it.
Shit on it. That's what I do all the time. I've done something particularly moronic. Anyway, where were we?
We were talking about WrestleMania, we were saying they put on a really good show. Yes, yes. And then I'm really going to go. So yeah, the ratings.
I desperately want to know what the ratings for NXT was this week. Because I think if you're going to tune into NXT at any point, I think the only thing that would have maybe, if they were really going for ratings, put Finn Balor on it. The show that Guy Gannon and Chum Peron as well, Finn Balor just like Squashy's a bitch. Literally.
I'm going to go into NXT UK. He's fucking sad in. He's going to be back at NXT. He'll be within the year.
He loves it. I mean, he fucking does. He does love it. Bray's changed him.
He has. That's the whole, yeah. Oh, that's the thing I was going to say is, well, yeah, they do say Bray Wyatt changes people. I, yes.
So that was, you know, Miz said it, Daniel Bryan said it in the old five minute promo, pre-match promo. I guess you caught up on the last two months of Raw and SmackDown's. So, yeah, they do say he changes people. Yeah.
I really want, I'm desperate to fucking know what the ratings were. I don't care if they beat AEW. Don't go for it. AEW should be winning that.
Yeah, of course. This is the thing that, you know, because Triple H is like, well, yeah, this was what I'm going to get to. Triple H was basically asked this weird question from, I don't even know who the fuck it was. We're saying that you're worried about that AEW's beat 15 weeks in a row.
And he was like, I'm playing a long game. Like, if we're in a transition period, it's really hard for us because every time we get a star, it helps the main roster. You have that conversation so many times with Jone like that. But now, like, you know, they've won 15 weeks in a row.
So they sure to win 15 weeks in a row because they've got like, they're their own show. It'd be like saying, you know, it's like fucking comparing progress to ICW. They're like that same level. Yeah, yeah.
You know, but like, NXT's a developmental show that will until recently was just a network, exclusive thing. So like, you know, AEW, if it was a feeder for TNA, then we could write, yeah. So, yeah. Of course, I know what you mean.
It is the main show. AEW's main show, and it sees the developmental show. So comparing them is like, it's silly. It's a silly thing, but it's always going to happen.
And the thing with AEW, but you've kind of got to be, say like, be grateful for the future. I'd say like, be grateful for is that new brand gets people, even though people have been like crazy conversations comparing it to NXT, it just gets everyone a little bit of an excitement. And it has done that. It has done that.
And I would maybe argue that like one of the main reasons that have done that is because of Chris Jericho, because his podcast is huge, you know, he's pushing it. He's calling out WWE to something like a shit, what he says about them. If we were looking at the other people, like, I don't know who else features in many headlines from AEW. And yeah, maybe it is because Jericho is taking cheap shots of WWE that keeps appearing in the moment.
But he knows how well he's been there biggest cheerleader in there, biggest champion, I think, for the whole brand. He's just getting fucking paid, that's what I mean. But the thing is, as well, like, you know, for somebody who is so big, apparently, when you're 1000 pay for you guys, it's probably quite good from a business point of view, but from my point of view, it's shit. Can I ask you right?
Okay, so 100,000 pay for views. Yeah. Why? Why?
Why so few? Because there's a lot of wrestling fans, there's WWE proves. And there's a lot of wrestling fans that enjoy wrestling. There's a lot of ex-WWE people in it, even that is a bare minimum.
Yeah. So why? Because I only saw the ITV thing, and that was 40 quid. It's maybe 35, something like that.
Okay, just go do it. Yeah, so why? So you're gonna have hardcore fans. So those 100,000 people are the ones that will go on the shop and buy all the t-shirts and buy all the tickets and buy all the fucking, all the great views and all that kind of stuff.
So that's 100,000. After that, you need people that are like, oh, I remember Chris Jericho. 35 quid. I can get the WWE Network for it, Santa.
No, it's, it's tough. So that's unfortunately the way things work. And as much as you don't like that, because you know what, here's the thing, right, viewing figures for AW. Like I feel like I talk about too much for us considering how we watch highlights of their shows.
The first, their opening show had 1.4 million viewers for their first televised show. Now, that is very good. That's like, it's only 600,000 behind. It's only 60, it's only about 700,000 and 100,000 on Raw.
That is very good. Now, they struggle in to get a million. Before the, you know, the isolation time when they were having actual crowds, when they were filming them, they were getting about 800,000 to 900,000 per week, which is respectable, really. Because NXT was getting about 800,000 and then now it's about 600, 700.
So NXT is like 600, 700. Aegal used like 800,000 to 900,000 people. To me, that's not a lot. Like, I don't think that's a lot of people.
But because, you know, I don't think two millions a lot of people and three millions a lot for Raw, I just don't, I think the days of giving a shit about what viewing figures are are long gone. However, why find it interesting is because I am of the opinion that it does not matter what WWE put on their show. I think at this point, it matters for things like merchandise. It matters for ticket sales, even though they're not fucking selling out arenas.
They're not even half selling out arenas when they're doing house shows, unless it's in the UK, which is why they do loads of mental house shows in the UK and they split the brands up and all that kind of show. They're doing one of butlins. Butlins put me. Do you need to go to one of them because I can't not see one of them in my lifetime.
I can't imagine. And then afterwards, what a game, isn't it? Exactly. Go on, go on.
Maybe something, I'll just have like a cycle back to the show. Where did I go? I've been to one of them before. But I don't think it was a butlins.
It was in Southport. What's the other one called? Ponson's. Ponson's.
I did a Ponson's one. Probably about 13. Loved it. They were cheapest butts though.
But if you come from a working class family and you've got kids, pontons and butlins are a fucking godsend. Because they're set up for your kids to just do loads of shit. I thought it was men. I was in a football tournament.
I was in a football tournament where I came forth. I was in a football tournament that lasted half a day. It was a fucking amazing. See that?
See now, I went to a butlins in Blackpool. Right. And you know this story but I'm sharing this on podcast because I fucking love it. So I was a baby and my mum and dad went to butlins because they could like get pissed.
I think it was whatlins. It was something like that. When you say baby like how old are you talking? Because proper baby like what a waste of time to be at butlins.
18 months. Really? Do you remember that? No, no.
This is the reason why I'm telling this story. Because until this is the 1980s folks different time. My parents went to the bar. Left me in the shallot as a baby.
Alone because there was a man on a bicycle who rode around all the shallows checking on the fucking babies through the window. You've got a bit. You've got a bit of a can do. Can you imagine that?
That was just by, I was getting pissed. I've been in the fucking bar. I've been the best time because there was a fucking crazy dude on a bike checking on the babies. What the fuck?
See that because the one that I was at was like an enclosed thing. So you could go out if you wanted to but it was like there was people who worked there full time. Yeah. Who would walk around like because I remember like just kicking a ball outside because I went with the ground.
Yeah. I was like the grands mate and her like Neeson. I mean we were just kicking a ball outside and somebody kept walking around going hi guys. How are you doing?
Did you make any what, like Ponson's friends? I didn't. Ponson's Palace. I think we're only there for about three days.
See. I just think that I do think that they're like a godsend. It was tough. Because there's certainly used to be.
I don't know if they are anymore but they used to be mega-cheaps go. Like it was so cheap. And you've got all this entertainment, you've got all these games and shit. You've got like a save you've got like three kids and it's a cheap place and you can just chuck them at a load of activities.
Yeah. And you can just go to the bar. Like yeah, great. My grand gave me a five-rate day.
Right. And I would go and I would go to the restaurant a bit which was just like a you know like a fucking service station. Little chefy type thing. And I'd go and get a sausage boy.
I'd eat it. And I'd have my little itinerary of what I was going to do that day. Written down. Written down on a piece of paper.
Oh my god you were adorable. So I was like pool tournament three. Football one. You know whatever it was.
And there was an arcade there as well which was like 20p a game. And I was like 20p a fucking game. You know arcades that I've been through. They're all the quid.
Yeah. So I was in there for fucking hours in the arcade playing on the fucking games. Oh, stop. Stop.
We imagine that. But with this age it's wrestling and it's cheap. Because there'll be shit load of people wrestling. But do you think there'll be you'll be looked down on if you win.
If you worked enough. No, I reckon a load of people go. I reckon more people go. See I'm punk went to London.
Yeah. And I was like what the fuck is going on when they get there. I think there'll be a lot of I don't really market it at wrestling fans. But you you have to buy so out so we have looked into this or I have looked into this.
So you you when that's on. It's a weekend ticket for that. Right. So everybody who goes to put in over that weekend unless they've got like, you know, not enough tickets sold.
Yeah. Because they had like a show or a leaner type thing which looked pretty big when I was there. Because it was a Southball one. Right.
That were right. Oh, I was going to put it in the counter. It was one of them. But anyway, the place where they had somebody coming up to me on pretends to be all this and I kind of was massive.
So you could probably get a couple of thousand in there. Easy. Maybe more. And if you put like fake bleachers up because it won't cost them a lot of money to make bleachers up.
You could easily get a few maybe four or five thousand. Holy shit. Really? Because there's like fucking so many shalies knocking at me.
It's a proper place to get a couple hundred. You know, talking thousands, you're not talking a couple hundred. Because it wouldn't go if it was like fucking, like, actually, you were in Manchester where it was like about 300 people there. But the, um, I can't make sure I thought now.
But yeah, you buy a ticket for the weekend. Yeah. So it's like Saturday Sunday you stay over and there shows on the Saturday night and then the Sunday is like wrestling themed games and stuff. Holy fucking shit.
Well, I'd be in the fucking car like engines going in the morning. But it would be so fun to go. And that might be a time, you know, to reprise the YouTube videos just to document what the fuck I've had. Yeah, I know, but yeah, Christ.
I bet it's only a couple hundred quid. I bet it's like the fucking steamer at sea or wherever it's called. Christ, rager in the, rager in the old car. I bet it is.
Oh, fuck me. It's so funny. The rockin' rager. The rockin' rager at sea.
Yeah. Christ unbelievable. What, um, what were you even talking about? Um, talking about like, mud shit.
I've got a song. Have you sung it? No, I've got a song kind of song. I feel fucking, I'm not.
It's good though. Yeah. We're gonna, we're gonna. So the title of the show, should we just do that now?
Yeah, let's do it now. So the title of the show is something about business. Okay, I can't. I can't think of it.
I'm just gonna read this out. Okay. I found it. It's all so on.
Okay. This is why we put the mic on. Because I mentioned this and it anyway, fucking bizarre. I said it, get a fucking microphone.
So. Not that, that's still it. No, no, yeah, of course not. Can we do a podcast, sweetheart?
Please, can we do a podcast? Um, okay. At Super Showdown, Goldberg competed in his first WWE match in seven months and vanquished to the Fiend Bray Wyatt's under three minutes. So when the Universal Championship, the results part of Furious reaction online, where Goldberg reassured fans that he returned to the company to put over young talents because he owed it to the business.
Now, Bill Pritchard at WrestleZone has revealed the Fiend was originally booked to beat the former WCW World Heavyweight Champion, but the finish was changed at the 11th hour after Goldberg lobbied backstage to win the Universal title. But, Star told the company his character will be ruined in the eyes of younger fans if he lost to a monster like the Fiend, and he therefore had to leave Saudi Arabia with the belt. Bray Wyatt was also reported as skeptical about title change at first, but he eventually agreed to put the 53-year-old over. Goldberg ultimately wound up losing Universal Championships at Braun Strowman at WrestleMania 36.
Fans don't have to worry about him lobbying to win a world title for some time, as he isn't scheduled to wrestle inside WWE, WWE ring again in 2020. And over to Andy. Now, so that the whole, the whole title to show things like the mention about people not wanting to do business. So, Cena has been guilty of this in the past.
Hulk Hogan has been very famously guilty of this in the past where he wouldn't put certain people over. I'm going to take the rest of this one. Yeah, yeah, fuck, I've got like a couple of novels I've got I don't need anymore. Well, because I'm struggling to speak as is.
I'm going to stare at the floor just to keep it concentrated. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, yeah, so the whole thing of like not wanting to do business is not a new thing. This one is particularly shocking because, and of course, like with these rags sheets, you have to kind of take it with the VINJASOOM.
So it's really hard to say whether this actually happened or not. But you can kind of see it happening. Now, the fact that he signed on to that match, no one even is going to lose. And then turned up, you know, and then.
I'll give you a clue over with everyone. Well, I doubt that. Well, I mean, no one's flying private. No one's got that much money to fly their private.
They might have gone together. No, no, I have Saudi Princess fucking flown well over privately. Well, the night come over together. Do you know what I mean?
So you get that far with a match planned out. Yeah, because there's no way he was, no, there's no way he signed on to do that show without knowing what he's doing. So at that point, he could have said, I don't want to lose to Bray Wyatt. Because that's basically what it is.
It's not. He's not saying he won't lose because he has lost since he's gone back. And he's put over Braun Strowman now in a reasonably strong way. Because Braun, after the spares pretty much decimated him and pinned him.
Which is fair enough because Braun looks the part and that kind of thing. Roman Reigns kind of looks the part. But what annoys me is that the idea for the WrestleMania main event. Because Drew McIntyre, Brock Lesnar, would not have been the main event.
Like, I'm sorry, Roman Reigns would have been the main event. There's not a fucking chance in hell, right? That Roman Reigns wouldn't have made the main event without WrestleMania. Not a chance.
Because Brock Lesnar had taken the belt off him. No fucking way was he not the main event. So Goldberg wouldn't have got any of the fucking main event. So you know full well who was going to be the fucking main event at WrestleMania.
And it was the Fiend who deserves to be the main event. I know, you know, it's hard for me to say this because I'm only just fucking gone back and watch it all. So it seems really, but we've been saying it for years about Bray Wyatt. I'll break it.
So you made the event at WrestleMania probably about six months ago was the Fiend against Roman Reigns. So you've got to say, like, your biggest heel, if you can call them a heel. Against your biggest baby face, if you can call them a fucking baby face. Now that is a legitimate main event.
It is without a shadow of a doubt. It's a legitimate main event with two full-time wrestlers. That should be your main event. Regardless whether or not I would put Roman Reigns in there because I wouldn't.
So long as fuck. You know, like the WWE put an Instagram post up before about Edge saying, which one of these dream match-ups do you want? And it's like Adam Cole, Smasher Chumper, fucking Kevin Owens, AJ Styles or Roman Reigns. And then I was like, don't be that dickhead.
Don't be that guy. And he only put underneath it any of them but Reigns. He's just asking for some little fucking scrow. Oh yeah, don't bother.
So I can't handle this. Not worth it. The whole WWE Instagram comments section is just people having to go at each other for no fucking reason. So the fact that the Fiend was meant to be in the WrestleMania main event, which he totally deserves to be, which he might not get next year because the momentum might have lost.
You know, what a full year of him doing Fiend-like things. You know, the momentum might have gone and he'll be going for the United States Championship before you know it. Because you know how quickly things change in wrestling. So that was his.
Now, it didn't even happen. But that was his WrestleMania main event. And five minutes before the supposed to walk through the fucking curtain, Goldberg worries about his character and refuses to do business. Like, you're, there's one thing saying, like, because he knew full well that if he got to that show and kicked off, he would have had to have changed it.
Because Bray Wyatt can't surround him in, or whoever it is who's booking that fucking show and whoever's there, he can't surround him and say he's sticking to the script. Because he's there every week. Bray Wyatt cannot do that. If they turn to him and say, listen, Goldberg's kicking off, he's now winning.
He can't suddenly go, what the fuck, no way, I'm not going out there. You can't do that. He's there every week. And he knows the show has to go on.
He knows the show has to go on. So he will accept it. And Goldberg knows full well that he'll do that. Yeah.
What really pisses me off is that the Bray Wyatt thing now went, now that we're going back and watching every day. It's a bigger picture and Goldberg fucking ruined it. Not ruined it, but he potentially. He'll undermine all the work that has gone into that character at that point and going into WrestleMania.
And the reason he did it, isn't anything to do with fucking I won't lose to Bray Wyatt in Saudi Arabia. It's nothing obviously to be your fans because that's also the looks. It's to do with, hang on a minute, Bray Wyatt beats me. I might not be on WrestleMania, it's a massive payday.
He would have won 100% still be on WrestleMania. That would have been in his contract. I must have said so. But in his contract, it wouldn't have said you've got to be a universal champion because you've had that chance when you came back.
So it would have been Goldberg against Cena. Yeah, that would have been good. Potentially Goldberg against Cena. And the thing is with that, that's a huge fucking match.
For anyone, anybody WrestleMania to go against Goldberg because I purely don't think he has any firepower at all. Now, I think, you know, if he's on a show, great, you know, whatever. Goldberg's a member, you remember him, yeah, fair enough. He's on the show.
But I'm telling you right now he's not fucking selling millions of seizures. Not like the fucking, the wardrobe range that the fiends got. Do you think it's personal thing? I don't know enough about it.
I know they had a few back and forths on Twitter, yonks ago. Right. When Bray was doing his, like, just before he got injured and was out for a bit, they were having a bit, but I thought it was just like, bantery stuff. Because I've been against each other before.
I can't remember him saying, I can't remember him saying Bray Wyatt, you're next or something like that. But that might have been this time. But the thing that pissing me off, like, yes, everyone's talking about Bray. We're talking more about Bray coming out about WrestleMania thing after it was explained to us.
So Goldberg's match against Strowman that he lost. Nobody's going to speak about it because it was the exact same match as the Brock, wasn't the match. So it's three or four finishes in a row and it's not, you're out of the door. So he must be pissing himself because all he has to do is get in there for three or four minutes, take a couple of bumps.
He's fine. He's not getting injured. He's got no risk of getting injured whatsoever. He takes a couple of bumps, win all these.
And he's out there. I've not seen the Saudi Arabia match with him and the Fiend. I've seen the end of it in a highlight thing where the Fiend jumps up and looks really fucking pissed off and then just disappears. Because he's lost.
Goldberg's like fucking buzzing in the ring. But the whole thing that you read out on the last show where it was like, Goldberg's been the only one who's not been able to beat because he doesn't have anything wrong with his character is a great way of hiding the fact that he had a WrestleMania made event taken off him. Yeah. I'm going to say that publicly because he might do it in ten years time, but he's never going to say it now because he's obviously a company guy.
Yeah. Like obviously a company guy like WWE have paid him millions over these entire career, probably two or three million. So he is a millionaire, Bray Wyatt, because of WWE. And he's a full-time wrestler.
So he's not going to turn around to them and give him shit. Goldberg can't turn around and give him shit because he wouldn't give him. He knew full well. Now, Bray wouldn't have gone full.
I'm not going to go on there. So he has to go on and they have to do the show because somebody doesn't want to do business. The other guy has to. And because he has to go full well what Goldberg is like because Jericho is taught by a fucking book.
I was just sat there laughing at him. He's about to get into an altercation and apparently he's a little bitch. But yeah, it just doesn't surprise me at all because he knew signing that fucking contract for his run. He knew absolutely everything that he was going to do.
Like Lesnar does. Lesnar will sign a contract for three or four months from Royal Rumble to the end of WrestleMania or whatever the fuck it is that he's days for. Without knowing exactly what he's going to do. You'll know everything.
You'll know the whole thing. You'll know the whole thing. You do this, you do that and then you do that and then you go. There's no fucking way because it takes five minutes.
So if Goldberg did that to get out of the scene of March to get the Reigns main event because he knew full well Reigns are being the main event. So if he said, listen, I'm not losing to the Fiend because I don't think it's good for my character. He knows full well if he wins that match. He's in the main event against Roman Reigns, the main event.
So it's bullshit. They should have fucking stood up to me. I don't know if you don't want to do this. You don't get a fucking paid.
Like who the fuck are you bitch? That's the thing. It's like it affects not just that show. It affects whoever's got a title that close to Mania.
You've then got to like if you don't want Goldberg to have that title going into Mania. Like you really, really don't want it. It's fucked up everything. It's got to lose it.
Who's losing it too? Oh yeah, it's just it's such a fucking crazy thing to do. It's such a crazy, crazy thing to do. And it's infuriating.
It's super infuriating. I can't even imagine how Bray Wyatt felt before that match. Getting told that. So are you joking?
Like we've got up there's a plan. But like you said he can't, he's full time. What can you do? We have a living.
Exactly. You can't do shit because he has to do business. The part-timers have got so much power. This is my part-time is suck a little bit.
Because if they decide, they could have with fuck. They decide that they- The thing is that Brock Lesnar wanted on that. No, no. Because Brock Lesnar's lost loads of fucking matches.
I mean he's not, he's a three quarter time. He's not part-time is he? And he's not half-time. He's there.
He's pretty much always about it. He's just not there at every show. Yeah. But he's a namesite.
Whereas Goldberg retired and suddenly he's back. He's gonna be goodbye speech for fuck's sake. And then he's back because he just like, you know, because he was too great and too tempted. Well exactly.
Well if he gets offered $4.5 million. So that's what we're gonna get. I feel like you always egg up with me. No, no chance.
Brock Lesnar's contract was $3 million for WrestleMania. Okay. Like last year. Yeah.
So that's just for WrestleMania. So those, these part-time guys are getting paid. Probably the same as like, your top WWE guys. But they work the entire year.
Mm. It's mental. It's absolutely mental. And it's fucking infuriating to know that that happened.
Or to not to know. I think we do know though. Well I can't see, I don't, I would never have envisaged that's something that close to Mania. The fiend losing on that show just made no sense.
The only thing I thought at the time was, and perhaps in Saudi Arabia, Goldberg is a big deal. And you know, there may be. That was what I was thinking. Like maybe they really like him there and he just wanted to give a crowd like something.
And unfortunately Bray Wyatt was the one who had to fucking give him that moment. But I don't think so. I'm not sure. I don't really think that's the case.
I think that, I think that this story is right. Yeah I do. Because it's too, it's too, it pups pulls on it. And it's sort of to kind of call the guy a dickhead when you've not got total 100% confirmation or something happened.
You'll never get 100% confirmation that will be happened. However, it just fits the personality type that you hear from interviews and you hear from people. You know like Jericho is the only one I can really remember now but I've heard it before. But Jericho is a used to bullying in WCW because he was a smaller guy.
Yeah, sucks. Like just a big fucking jock football playing bully. He's not even good. He's fucking shit.
He's not even good. He's fucking shit. And I said to you obviously I know that this is infuriating for like fucking super hardcore wrestling fans. But because I watched during that Jude era and then I had a massive break from it and then in 2012 I went back to it.
Goldberg, I didn't know who he was and then when I back came out and I was like, what the fuck is this Goldberg dude? And you were like, oh it's just this like bald muscly guy who had this. You know he had a reasonably quirky entrance and, well I remember you saying he wasn't that popular though. No one really cared that much.
So when he was in WCW he was at his height of like the streak. He was probably one of their biggest guys. Now the whole reason he got signed is because he looked like Austin. That's why.
So they wanted to get a bald guy who looked like that as one of their top guys to rival it. And that's been quoted from Bischoff. He said as soon as Austin blew up we were like, we need somebody who looks like Austin to blow up as well. And then they did the whole thing with Goldberg and the streak where he won 100 matches in like one week.
Because he used to say all the streaks now like this number. And he used to like weeks or weeks to get used to jump up by like 20 or something. You know the night on how shows and like I think I don't know if they did or not. To me he's always been a nobody and it's tough to say that because I was never a WCW fan.
I was very WWF at the time because it was more, I was more the age. To me I see a lot of parallels between AW and WCW from the way it looks from the fact that they're just getting on, and the TNA when Hogan got involved they're just getting old. Not even old but they're getting old, and it's like a WWE guys to go in there and be their main events. Because like we said with AW there was a poster thing on, because for some reason, because NXT's not on the network anymore.
Or it was like two or three days later or whatever. There's a site that I get like a cheapy fake thing, like a legal site where you're streaming like if you know a bit solo movie S from back in the day where all the wrestling's on there. And the poster for the AW show is Sean Spears against John Moxley. It looks like a WWE card.
Like this is the problem that I think AW's got. It's their main guys look like their WWE knockoffs. Like we know that's not the case. We know Tideunja didn't get their respects deserved.
And then NXT proved what he could do. And all those guys that I've got like Cody Rhodes, like the old WWE people, we know how good they are and the fact that they should still be without company. But to a casual fan who is outside of that 100,000, it looks like WWE knockoffs, which is why MMA companies don't do very well outside of UFC. They might do well enough for them, but they don't do new UFC numbers.
And the reason why they don't do UFC numbers is because there's UFC fans and then there's fans of the fighter. And they are hugely different, massively different. And Jericho will be finding this out. You know, he can go on a main event in AW show and think comfortably, well, I get millions of people listening to my podcast.
Surely if I pull get on this podcast, a few 100,000 are going to buy it. No 100,000 boy. So you're not a drawer. Like that entire show, because that show I'd fucking Kenny Omega on it, who is arguably the best wrestler in the world.
Arguably, I would put him there as being the best wrestler there is at the moment. If WWE should be throwing 4 million contracts at anybody, it's that fucker. Because he would go in there and be another AJ Styles, another fucking top guy without a shot of a doubt. The young books have other issues with them.
But the young books are arguably the best tag team on the planet. I wouldn't even say it was a fucking argument. They are the best tag team on the fucking planet without a doubt. Cody Rhodes is the most underrated fucking guy ever.
He's fantastic. And yet they can't pull more than 100,000 people. So this is why I'm really interested in the NXT numbers. Because they've put their best thing on as their main event.
Their best rivalry doesn't draw people. That's my bad thing with that. But Goldberg isn't worth fucking shit. I wouldn't piss on that comment if he was on fire.
Because I think you need to get a line to not piss on him while he's burning. Just so you could get some front of the queue and then just walk off. I think there'd be a massive queue in front of you. It doesn't sound like a popular guy.
And his attitude reflects that old school bully boy mentality. Absolutely. That was that was that power dressing back in the day. It was the JBL kind of ladscob.
That undertaker was the judge of. Yeah. And it was people who were someone came in and it was break them. Break them until they leave or they join us and then they can pick on the next person.
School, it was school. It was a horrible school. Like it was fucking shit. You had to be made of the strongest stuff.
Especially if you were a smaller dude. Shit they did to them is. You're the one that did to the fucking miss. You told me this because I didn't have a clue about that.
Shit he's fucking back. That's grim that. He was just on a reality show, right? It was a reality show, a big wrestling fun.
And he won't even like any other main event. And he was all shit and he's fucking back. It was about ten of them. He was shot in his bag.
And he went to his fucking locker to change after his match. But he was always closing his bag and he was just full of people shit. It's just like a really bad frat boy mentality isn't it? So terrible.
I like to think it's a bit better now. I mean fuck. There's a lot of the diversity of people. Now it's crazy.
You've got people who are, you know, I just can't see anyone bullying someone like them. I just can't see it happening and I can't see. I just can't see it happening. I mean obviously there'll be like disagreements.
Yeah. I feel there's too many people. My favourite's the Bellas. There's not a podcast that goes back.
Talking on that FCW show about shit they went through when they went up. What do they go through? They just said that like all girls were just like absolute cunts to him. Oh yeah.
Yeah. But at the very least they were in FCW. They were doing those. At least they were fucking paying the dues.
They didn't literally walk in and straight to the top. They got called up because the twins, if there was, I was going to say there's twin dudes. But like, do you know what I mean? It's like any girl.
Look at why they're not joking. No, but any twin girls at that year at that time when it was a bit horny. Fuck me. Of course the Bellas going to get plucked for him fucking FCW.
But they were there and they did it and they fucking trained and they were in that facility with people. You know, like it's... When you watch fucking Kelly Kelly against Tori Wilson, you bell a bag in for him. Of course.
You're absolutely bagging for the Bellas to be out there. Of course, because you've got to look at that and you know, if I was watching the ragging on the Bellas. At least they did wrestle. It wasn't just the K-Minus, like playboy, Bonnie type people and just like strip down to the brown and knickers.
And they were like, hey look at me. It was like that weird transition re-period of where they had to be both. But not good enough at wrestling to be a wrestler, but not attracted enough to be. Not that any of them are, but you know what I mean?
They just got no real opportunity. The matches were like seconds long. So how... You know, I say, oh I didn't think that was any better.
I suppose maybe in the last sort of like 8th of their career, maybe they did get loads better. Because they actually got a match, it was over 3 minutes. Nick, you got a main event with Ronda Rouse, didn't you? Yeah, exactly.
And I don't remember thinking that was a shit match. It weren't a shit match. I don't know, I don't know, I don't want to praise them. But what we're saying is that the attitude of it's a fucking hard.
It was at the time a really hard industry to be a part of. And everyone around you saying, oh, your dreams have come true? And you've been treated like you saw shit in your back. Yeah.
You know, it must be like a head fuck, like a massive head fuck. Because that's another thing as well, because the whole, which I saw again a few months ago, when Vince had to go to, um, Cork as the old steroid thing, and that kind of thing. You can see that. So like these guys get hays to fuck.
So if you're a smaller guy, and they're all fucking shooting up in the locker room, and you don't do it, you're not one of them. And you're not keeping the secret. So how many of them, like you're Eddie Guerrero's, because you're, because Eddie Guerrero, the look of Eddie Guerrero from ECW to WCW to WWF is like a totally different fucking guy. He's got bigger and bigger and bigger.
But obviously he's a smaller guy, but he's fucking jacked by the end of his run. Like obviously, you know, unfortunately the guy passed away. But when he was winning the WWE title, he was as jacked as that cunt's gonna get. Yeah.
Whereas when he first came in with a new album, I was, what he called? He was about to call his name. I can't remember. But he was a very silent team, like, he was skinniest fuck.
Like he was told to protect himself, obviously, from the bumps and stuff. But he won't fucking ribs. But then as soon as he gets to fucking WWF, a few years later, he gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. So who knows what that atmosphere is like.