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EPISODE · Jan 15, 2026 · 1H 28M

99. Are We Educating Kids or Managing Them? Rethinking Childhood Education with Dr. Jack Talmadge

from Being Different with Liz Durham · host Liz Durham

Something about the way we do school for children just isn’t working, so it's time to talk about it. This week, I sit down with Dr. Jack Talmadge, Head of School at Episcopal School of Knoxville, to talk candidly about education, play, and why so many kids struggle in environments that demand stillness, compliance, and constant performance.We talk about play-based and place-based learning, why movement actually helps kids focus, and how “sit still and listen” somehow became synonymous with being a good student. Jack shares his own experience growing up in a high-pressure academic environment, how an undiagnosed learning difference nearly crushed his confidence, and how one teacher changed everything.We also tackle:Why play is dismissed as fluff instead of recognized as foundationalHow quickly kids get labeled when the environment doesn’t fit themThe quiet damage of standardized testing—for kids and teachersWhy college has become the default, even when it clearly shouldn’t beAnd what happens when we value relationships more than rigid systemsThis isn’t about tearing education down or blaming teachers. It’s about being honest enough to admit that the system wasn’t built for every kid, and maybe it’s time we stopped acting like the kids are the problem.If you’ve got a story about education, or strong feelings about this conversation, message me on Instagram @beingdifferentwithlizdurham. I want to hear from you!- - - - - - - - - - -Liz Durham Instagram | WebsiteSubscribe Apple Podcast | SpotifyBeing Different with Liz Durham is a Palm Tree Pod Co. production

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Something about the way we do school for children just isn’t working, so it's time to talk about it. This week, I sit down with Dr. Jack Talmadge, Head of School at Episcopal School of Knoxville, to talk candidly about education, play, and why so many kids struggle in environments that demand stillness, compliance, and constant performance. We talk about play-based and place-based learning, why movement actually helps kids focus, and how “sit still and listen” somehow became synonymous with b...

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