This is the best hang podcast featuring Max German, Shane Cunningham and I and Mike Bierman Welcome to the best hang podcast. I'm Mike. We got Max We got Shane and you know what guys we got a new way of doing things. I feel like the listeners were excited I feel like for the three of us.
We got a bit of juice from it We're gonna record this pod max was insistent on the group chat and we're just release it and possibly today You know the only I've only agreed to do pods moving forward if they come up the day off So that's what it's great. Okay, okay, but you know, I was gonna say due to the magical skills of Nathan Nash turning it around so quick But it's fun. It's kind of like a tight wire. It's like a little dangerous, right?
Yeah, we got a watch saying um a lot we got to watch our microphones that we're not tapping them I just tapped my my watch against the people so sorry Nathan But yeah for this to work we have to really respect Nathan in the turnaround time because he's really the guy doing it He's the last one to touch it So we got to be mindful of that to be honest I was insulted that he told us that he edits out the arms because I thought we were just flawless speakers and now I'm a little insecure So we're gonna have to be better about that too. I'm a little skeptical to be quite honest I don't think I'm a huge um guy and so I'd like to record I was a little insulted too. He's just like I'm the um guy I don't like I think you might be the biggest. What's I know?
As he says enough no because people have pointed out that to me that you say um a lot really I don't think of Mike in that way. I see you know It's like it's a mixture of being very articulate, but also no wait. Sorry. It's not um, it's like sorry.
Mm-hmm It's like so people are discussing my use of like everyone's talking about it It has been discussed. I need to get to the bottom of this because I'll tell you off air I like it I like it a lot that was a couple uses of the words like I'm gonna try to be consciously not using Um or like this whole pot because I don't want Nathan to touch my voice at all He said I breathe a bit on Mike too. Well, I'm using a beautiful sure Mike It's gonna pick up my breath, but I'm gonna try and control the breath I'm gonna try and minimize the umbs and I certainly I'm gonna try and avoid the likes now that I'm conscious of it Max you said you're insulted as well. Yeah, but speaking fuck shit Speaking of language so we're in LA we're recording with this producer John Congleton He's like a great indie rock producer.
He searches name. He's worked with like every like every great indie rock band and He's a gen X guy. He's very fun to hang out with because unlike millennials or gen Z's over a certain temperament He is much more of the Chuck Klosterman school. He's a bit of an eye-list.
He's very suspicious of things He doesn't offer compliments easily But he's great we are having a ball with him and he's so talented and really lively conversations We were talking about a Naomi Klein's book. No logo. Are you familiar with that book? Yeah It's a classic book from I don't know how long I'm a decade ago And she predicted a lot of the stuff is happening right now gen X people love Naomi Klein especially She has a wide audience, but especially I'd say gen X and so we spent about half an hour talking about Naomi Klein and Gen X And I was saying to John you could be the worst producer in the world But you just talking about no logo and Naomi Klein to Tony and Nick They'd be like we he's the best producer in the world because that's something they want to talk about but there's why I bring him up is first day we're hanging out we're talking about the songs and He stops me goes hey, I don't want to interrupt you here But and he stands up he walks over to the table he goes but you've actually broken the rule by twice already I go what ruler are you talking about and he picks up this jar and it just has the vibe jar on it I go like did I ruin the vibe somehow is like is this is the jar that you pay when you say something negative or you bring down the Now the rule is you just can't use the word vibe So if you use the word vibe to describe anything But especially when we're talking about music and what we're trying to make together You have to pay a dollar and if you don't have a dollar in cash You can Venmo him the money either is a barcode on the other side of the jar and so I probably owe him about $20 we've been here for about a week and He it's actually a great lesson in language because his point is that vibe is used so often that it means nothing And if we want to be able to describe the thing we are after we have to be able to use our words better And it's so it is so fucking hard to divide by this rule But we've been getting better yesterday was a very strong day for the band I think I'm definitely worse the fender in part because I talked to most I probably own about 20 bucks Mike D Probably I was a nine bucks.
I think Tony was a maybe four five bucks and Tim and Nick I don't think I'm anybody so that's where we're at but I think it's a good exercise I was embarrassed once but using it because we're talking about a restaurant that we went to as a family like five years ago And I was like oh yeah, that place had a good vibe and then Jake my brother-in-law whispered something to his girlfriend to make fun And then they all laughed about it That's an uncool word kind of so now I'm very embarrassed to use the word vibe and I haven't since yeah, it's hard though in the studio It's very hard because you're talking about these very subjective things right you're talking about like the tone of a guitar or the rhythm or any These things and the best way to describe sometimes like the vibe made me feel good that vibe is the right vibe That's a harsh vibe. That's not the right vibe We've been joking that like we leave the studio and just like go back to our Airbnb's and just scream vibe into a pillow for like 10 minutes Like just to get it out. Yeah, we're doing a TV show too You often you know you want to say vibe sometimes but I say I replaced it with tone tone tones a great word Don't agree with but Mike what's up? What's going on with you?
What's what's the latest and greatest? What's been on your mind? Oh, I mean all sorts of stuff has been happening I you know I can't get into I we can talk about all sorts of things But I mean we talk about paul culture stuff right before we got on we were talking about Luca Donchich You know he played a big game against a former team the Dallas Mavericks The last angels Lakers last night and it was good and a bunch of reporting came out today Sort of I mean we never talked about that pot that trade on this podcast and it's a mass-ending trade I think for people are outside of basketball Just the idea that somebody who is so successful and someone that you build a business around a franchise around it's this generational talent And they gave him away kind of for nothing Where were you when you found out that he was traded because I have a kind of little story to but where were you? Remember you were absolutely I was in the basement I was watching this show was the show watching severance So I love severance on the huge famous evidence I talked about this podcast before I don't think it's a polarizing show But I don't feel like everybody is as into it as maybe I am but I really look forward to watching So I have one all you know cute up ready to watch and the kids are finally asleep I come downstairs It's like I throw it on it's like 1130 or something and I get notifications Twitter notifications from Shumps.
It's the only basketball person I get these notifications from pretty much it bings in It's like just after midnight maybe it's it's Saturday night I believe it bings in it says Luke Adonchitch traded to the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis and a first round pick and Max Chris I was like no he's hacked. He's hacked but my heart started pounding. So if he's not hacked I open it up and I look and I'm going oh my god Is this real night throw it into one of the basketball chats? There's kind of nothing I don't know who's really up at that time But I start throwing in some shit and then he goes no I'm not hacked other people start confirming Chris Sains And then basically severance got paused and I just refreshed Twitter from like midnight until 2 30 in the morning The jokes were going crazy people like this is this is the most insane trade in NBA history I was trying to think I'm like this is the most shocked I've been a fan for 20 years This is the most shocking and exciting and fun thing and it would have been so fun if I was with people at a bar But I actually think it was better for me in my like little you know my basement here my little area just updating and laughing The jokes were so funny and it was so exciting and people are saying the Mavericks are insane And it was kind of the most fun I had by myself for two and a half hours straight and also I people are saying the nut is texting me Mike.
What does this mean put it into context? So I'm just ripping off hot takes I literally have different chat groups like so I'm ripping off takes I'm copying and pasting It was so much so much fucking fucking fucking shame me and Shane don't text about basketball really like you know Maybe if something really unique happens, but we don't shoot the shit about whatever me and him have our own I'm shooting the thing. I'm like this is crazy. He's getting in on it So really touched everything Max where were you when you're the news?
I was at the bar get well I was with Dan Hamilton and our friend Saxon who works for the Raptors Yes, we're all buzzed but and Saxon's buddies are great And they're also big sports fans too and the bars busy and I look at my phone And I walk I was buying around and then I walk back to the other end of the bar with the beers And I'm like guys Did you see this thing and then everybody's phone is out and it seemed like everybody's phone in the entire bar was out It was one of these crazy moments We're like everyone just like just like started talking about the trade and it was so cool And then we just had something to talk about the next two hours It was it was really fun to be out and I think I don't know if it's a fake video But there I saw some video of like like a Dallas frat party or something finding out that it happened in real time and people were like losing their mind Can you imagine and then I started to think about the children of Dallas? I was thinking about the children of Dallas who are Donchich fans and yeah waking up Sunday morning was like and actually I know somebody Who's has like a 14 year old son who lives near Dallas and so I texted her out of the blue I was like hey random thing like is your son of Donchich fan? She's like yeah, it's been a morning of morning here It's been hard because I think about what it would be like if I was you know ten years old 14 years old How brutal that would be if I was if I was a Mavericks fan Do you want to something I always think about whenever there's a big trade like this I think about your lyric from McShan left I put the radio on just because I think you encapsulated something I don't know I you know, I'm not I'm not like a scholar of your lyrics anything, but I always enjoyed that now Yeah, but I've always enjoyed that lyric because there's something about the way you encapsulated that that it's not like particularly But I'm just like oh that the way you find out a big trade or something happens and it kind of sits with you You kind of if you're a sports fan especially for the team you really like or a big superstar like Donchich What's the lyric again? I drive into work had the radio on only to hear Curtis Granderson's gone So you like in Chris Granderson was like a beloved to try Tigers player.
You got traded Well, I did you're going to work already. You don't want to be going to work There's something work that's only to find out like I'll fucking they traded my favorite player I've always sort of enjoyed that. Shaney, where were you when you heard the the Lucas news? It was I think it was a bed and I heard it because I'm one of those people I checked my phone this before I even set feet on the floor when I when I get up in the morning And you had texted me I think and you were just you were talking about how this is the biggest trade in NBA history and Like I think it was like probably like a last resort text you probably went through all the normal Even me who's not being on the trades.
It's really hard to get me, you know shocked on anything I was still like taking it back like whoa, it doesn't like I knew you called like they came away for nothing to me Anthony Davis is a little bit more than that, but I'm totally right you're totally right you're totally right But what is or in terms of like actors just let's say people aren't sports fans. What would that be the equivalent to a good question? for who it would make Luke is probably Timothy, right? Yes, yes, so if Anthony Davis It's it would be an actor that see the problem with Anthony Davis is he is an amazing player when he plays and he's sort of in his mid I think he's like 32 maybe 33 Something rather what he is injured all the time.
What about Jacob? Oh, Lordy if we did a trade for that with people be like whoa You're gonna know how many but I think we'll already might be like a little older James Marson No, James Marson's not decorated enough it has to be somebody that was like a big star that can't open a movie anymore Somebody that's like like who's younger than Tom Cruise like Chris Pratt it'd be trading it'd be trading to the shallow favorite for Chris Pat Yeah One of the Chris's maybe Hemsworth Okay, there you go. Yeah, that's a great question though. Good actor comp.
So I'm going to the game on Friday I'm going to the Lakers Clippers game on Friday. I don't know I met all these people at the Super Bowl a few weeks ago in New Orleans And I met this big wig Canadian guy and I was putting a group chat with him And I mentioned I was gonna be in LA and he lives down here I'm not even sure exactly what he does now, but he texted me said you want to go to the Lakers game on Friday And so I'm like I'm in it's I don't know are you almost hoping for average seats? Because it's like there's more obligation on your behalf. Be half if you're like on the court.
No, I'm like good seats I look great seats. Yeah, totally great. They'll be great. No, and no he was very nice But it was one of those conversations where it was like you know You had a few drinks and it's like you're watching post Malone play and you're like yeah, I'm in LA Let's take take my number one of those kinds of yeah, yeah, and then we're in the script I think you might have working government or something.
I'm gonna ask them a lot of questions We're gonna get to the bottom of it. Well, you're gonna have what three hours together a little bit. Yeah, it's gonna be great It's gonna be great, but last night Luca, you know played the Mavericks for the first time Let's let's ask for in a time because to make this this pod timely But so it was a big you know, it was a huge game It was probably the biggest game of the season because the general manager for the Mavs Nico Harrison. Yep, he is the most hated man in Texas right now probably like the fans want him dead and He showed up to the game in LA.
Would you show up to the game in LA? I guess it's a guy if you're the guy who trades Luca Would you fly to LA to swatch it? He's the most love And then a man in the foreground of background like seated in a suit and just like staring men is it menisingly at Luka? And of course, if you don't know when you go Harrison looks like it's like why is this photo so good?
It's just like a random guy in a suit looking at not just and I explain those Nico and it is a great photo When you know the context if you don't know the context you're like what the fuck why does this even matter at all? But it's crazy how this guy I'm a big basketball fan. I had never heard the name Nico Harrison before like I'm sure you had Mike Yeah, I know you sure yeah, but I bet you like most hoop head hoops heads wouldn't necessarily know the name like you're I think in the top 3% of hoops followers 2% 1% Mike I'd say most of our friends there would be in the top 10 to 15% But unless you're that 1% I don't know the name Nico Harrison It was only because there was a sort of recent trend this wave of people that became general managers or presidents who came from the agent world Or like you know, he was a he was like a Nike rep So you yeah, I was very aware of when Dallas hired him because he was another in this wave of people that sort of took a somewhat Non-traditional path like Ruppa linka was a former agent we get to the back straight of all that which I know you read with The Stross piece and all that stuff however the reason I brought up Luca and this whole trade is I was almost more fascinated at the idea of an Organization or a business moving on from this 25 year old generational talent who you spend your whole sort of career? Sometimes as an executive looking for a person like Luca to spend the next 20 years with the Dirk Novets He could be Brian to LeBron James would have you step curry They spend a whole career with a with one franchise some of these guys But then when he went the hip pieces that came out because another one came out after the LA game last night more about the drinking And doing the hookah and he won't work out and all this stuff But they had to just traded him and not assassinated his character or they need to do that to try and calm the people of Dallas Which in some ways I think just makes them more fears because they're like even if all these things are true He was still a top five player in the whole league What do you guys think of the the method of let's kill the character on the way out so we don't look so bad for getting off of them?
I think you have to try to kill his character or do something a little bit But saying that he drank a lot and did hookah like it just makes him more relatable because he's still amazing It makes me feel like oh maybe I can make me a beat So I do think it's more aspirational than like he's a bad guy If they had something really damning like maybe he like you know hit a woman or a child or something like that They released that might be better Something truly damaging not just like he's a 25-year-old that enjoys having a good time and maybe isn't worked out too much You can party and still get a triple double overnight isn't it? Yeah, this is Trump's America Do you think Americans give a fuck about a little drinking a little partying a little flandering? Oh nobody cares about anything down here No now the writing was almost on the wall and this is a bit of like revisionist history But when Michael Finley took away his beer after that game like even back then before the trade people were saying like he's not happy Like he's got it not like this the look on the space and I clip they're talking about Shane is just kind of like he's very much What the fuck you know? He just won the Western Conference final Finley's a former Dallas, now Ricky was almost he was on the press best being like a superstar and He should know that you got to let the players let loose at certain moments like this was a celebratory moment He's taking away his beer.
It's like that sucks like we have the Mmvase though media they let us drink in the building Yeah, and we certainly did yes There's also some more No policies over because of us You know and if you're Luca, it's just I'm a 25-year-old man who just won I'm an adult who just won the Western Conference finals don't sun me on national TV like there was a camera there I get it. I would get I got the look on Lucas face. It was embarrassing. What was funny is Luca goes what?
There's no cameras, but there's no Yeah, it's been it's been a great time in the NBA this year but related to the news moving on a little bit I was hanging with Unsworth the other day down here in LA our beloved friend Would you say this is the second time you brought him up since you've been in LA? Would you say he's your best friend in Los Angeles? Yeah, he and Tim I'm saying with Tim everybody Tim McAuliffe those two are amazing Actually, I he did want me to clarify that he and his family did stay for the overtime in the last episode when I said that All left to go home and we didn't stick around for overtime He was in the bar and he said it was actually kind of tense because he was surrounded by Americans when the Canadian scored the game When he go wow, I just want to let that know what well Matt has dual citizenship was he conflicted? No Canadian through it is with his girlfriend who's who's from wife who's from Montreal her parents were visiting and they're huge hockey fans from Montreal So he told me that you know when you get the weekly report on your screen time.
Yeah every day guess what his screen time was last week It's gonna be so low. It's probably gonna tell you was two hours Mike Unzi yeah, I'm trying to think of on the scale of Oliver friends who gets back who responds to text the quickest He moves at his own pace. I bet you he would be on the low end I'm with Shane on that 39 minutes a day. Yeah, yeah, and he said because he's not looking at the news anymore He says he just doesn't look at the news and he only finds out about things when people tell him so it's like when the man Goni thing happened he didn't know for like three days and Tim our body and Tim was like Tim told him He's like what are you talking about?
That's kind of a great way to live isn't it? He also doesn't give a shit about sports I would say yeah, you look at my screen time I would say the bulk of it is truly sports like NBA consumption Which is embarrassing in its own way that I'm spending that much time on my screen looking at that Shane does seem skeptical that Unzi is only on his own 39 minutes today. Okay, here's my question cuz sometimes I get my screen report And it's very alarming Ridiculous like I don't even want to say no no one wants to say okay podcast count and I listen to pot believe if podcast don't count Do podcast count though? I don't know if they do I don't they do I think you have to be like on your phone doing stuff I think to play something is different.
I think I keep the trouble What if somebody watches conclave on a train ride that doesn't count to screen does it doesn't it doesn't no But I'm looking at my screen now. That's is that's a bigger screen activity and the screen time should really just be Okay Just say this we say this okay over or under eight hours under Justin Mike, for guessing for Max for you. I just let so I know I'm under. Okay.
What about you, Shini? I just I'm just asking a question. I Okay, but back to my original thought do you like the idea of being blind to the news especially right now? Do you see the Trump video about the gazza strip that he the AI generated video that came out last night?
He really he shared it. No, no, he shared it. I mean, I don't think he made it I think he just found it on the internet somewhere and then just decide to share it. It's not like a promotional video He just thought it was funny and then posted it.
But you saw him on the beach like with a shirt. I would you want that out there even if AI created? That is true. But it came from his account.
Yeah, okay. That was I was thinking I was being due because it was too comical. But in these days you really can't tell. Yeah, that is hilarious.
I didn't see it. Oh, you didn't see it. I haven't. I guess back to question then.
Do you do you like the site the Anzi style of living in the world not having any clue what's going on? Do you think everyone would be better off if we all just did that? Yes. Yeah.
The only reality that we knew was just whatever we happened to see and interact with in our real life. Well, it's first of all, it's very appealing. And I think a lot of people have flirted with the idea or they've attempted to do it by removing apps from their phones and all this disconnecting and blah, blah, blah. It's the there's two things.
It's like the idea that the things that we're getting from our phone are not actually making us happy. They're making us they're giving us anxiety or they're making us sad or they're giving us a you know, fits of envy. The conflict of emotions aren't necessarily good. So the idea of sort of not even engaging would mean in theory that those emotions you don't have to really sort of struggle with or think about.
And so the idea of just sort of interacting with the people as they come not engaging with the news, not scrolling Twitter or TikTok or Instagram or any of the social media shit. I think it's very appealing. The question is, can you live in the modern world? Can you work with all three of us have media facing entertainment focus?
We are of this world. So in a lot of ways engaging with it is part of how we make a living. So it's hard to disconnect if you know, if I was a fucking like Millwright, I could probably just go work my eight hours, hang out with my family. I don't know how to live in the modern world without engaging us is what I would say.
But if you're a Millwright, not that I know what that is, but I'm assuming you're turning something, you think it's popping a podcast? You think, you think, right? Because I don't have any moment of the day, I think, where I'm not being entertained on some small level in ways that I don't even overtly know are entertainment, but alone with my own thoughts. There's always some sort of external chatter, whether it's something reading or listening to.
You're not rod-dogging life. You know, people are like, that thing, you can't, you, there's no point in your life. There's no moments of solitude and your own thoughts. No one rod dogs life less than me.
Less than you. Max, Max, do you ever have moments of quiet? Like Mr. Brain is engaged actively with something external?
No, you know, it's interesting. Even when I'm working on something, I actually kind of need to be distracted. I find that if I'm working on lyrics, it's actually better if there's something else happening. If I'm listening to a podcast or if I have music on, yeah, silence doesn't do much for me.
Yeah. But Shane, to your point about Millwrights, I have like some second cousins who I saw one time and they kept on talking about being Millwrights. And I was like, I have no idea what that is. And I still don't know.
Do you know Mike? I looked it up just to be sure. And I was somewhat close, but a person whose occupation is planning and building mills or setting up their machinery. What happens in a mill though?
Oh, you could churn out, what are we called, wheat things of that nature? Yeah, I guess it wouldn't really want to be that distracted. It seems like there's a lot of danger there. I should have said welding.
Like my father was a welder. Yeah, I understand what that is. Yeah. And so we had the mask on when he was working and he was always doing that shit with the flame.
And so all the time. They did. They always had the radio on. I guess that's not as crazy as like a podcast.
We're just being inundated with so many new thoughts and ideas that are pushing out your memories, your existing memories. Yeah. I totally understand what you guys are saying because the thought of just sitting on the train to work in the morning and not watching Conclave, the Oscar nominated film with the belief it's Ray Funds and Stanley Gc, which I'm enjoying so far. I'm only an hour in, but it's good.
The idea is they're going to train without that or podcast or whatever, doing some work reading script or something is I can't imagine it. I would be so upset if I left my headphones at home. I've done it before and I bought headphones. I bought wired headphones at the fucking go train station when I've forgotten my AirPods before.
You need it. You need it. However, when sometimes when I put my kids to bed, you know, we'll lay with them, sometimes we'll read them a book and you lay with them for a while and especially Roberto's younger. We'll lay with her until she falls asleep and sometimes if it takes her 45 minutes to fall asleep, I'm laying there and I'm just laying there in the dark with my thoughts.
Right. And it's kind of nice. It is kind of nice because I can kind of float through space and time. I can, I can almost time travel.
I've, I think about the past and the choice. I mean, I think about the future and where I'm going. And then I'm present in the moment. I look over at this three year old dude.
I love with every ounce of my soul and I'm just thinking, you know, and I find it. I don't know. I guess maybe that's a meditation is I don't know. Maybe.
Well, how was a big silent retreat guy? And he, I was texting about the other day and he says, you can't recommend it enough. Would you guys ever do a silent retreat? Well, that's weird because that's the number one kind of punishment when you're a bad boy present.
That seems weird. I'm going to the whole time pray for me. If I get out of this thing with my mind intact bad. Does he pay money, Tom, to go to this place?
Yeah, I think so. Like, can't you just go with the other room and for free? We'll have to have him on to explain himself, you know. Yeah, we need a little call in there.
Didn't David Lynch, though, didn't that great thinker that visionary director? Didn't he do that? Saturday treats and meditation. Not that I know of.
I would like to think I would know that if he did do it, but no, I don't know. Mike, you do it. I'd be done. I kind of go along with anything sort of guy.
I was thinking about it. Yeah, I would like to experience it. Sometimes I had kids because I was like, what is this life experience? That feels like something you do in this life.
I want to experience it. I don't know how long I'm here for. This seems like a big something that one does with their time, this finite time on the earth. So if someone's like, let's try out a silent retreat, I'd be like, yeah, let's give it a fucking go.
I don't know. I don't think so. I think you would rather do something more entertaining with your time. I would do it though.
If the three of us were going to do it for the pod or somebody recommended it highly that I say peak was like, dude, this honestly is the best. Do you want to come with me? I'd be like, I'll come with you. I imagine we get beers after, but let's go.
I'm saying, but if there was no beers. I got to get a little sugar for the V-Man. Like, what are we doing? That's my kind of watch on basketball after meal before, but I think with the Maharishi and the Beatles.
No, I'd be like, Ringo, it'd be like, do I really want to go to the hills of the Ganges and meditate? Not necessarily, but I'll go with the gangs going and I'll try my hardest. Yeah, and did they have that great of a the time over there? Because I always imagined the Beatles loved it.
I just went because the other guys went and he had to pack only beans because he refused to eat the vegetables. Like all the food that they had there. Paul went because the other guys went and when George told them because Paul kept trying to make right music, George was like, we're not here to work. And then Paul was like, all right, well, I'm out.
And then so Paul left and Ringo was like, wait for me. And then George and John stayed for another two weeks and then it came out to the Maharishi may have come on to one of the women. So they confronted him and John says in the anthologies, like, and then he's like, when George started believing it, he goes, that's when I knew there was something to the accusations. And John said, so we can front to the Maharishi and it's like tent about being inappropriate with women.
And the Maharishi was like, well, why are you all here? And John was like, well, if you're so, you know, in touch with the universe, why don't you tell us any said in the Maharishi game, look like you wanted to kill him. And he goes, and that's when he knew he was a fraud. I didn't know that.
So I did. I thought it was a good time. I thought they learned a lot. That's so interesting.
And then I watched the thing and I was like, oh, OK, they really romanticized this about the people. And I wasn't even all that great because I think because they use like a sitar or something. They take away and you know, Eastern philosophy and sort of meditation, they took that with them. And then they also wrote the whole white album, basically while they were there.
So it was productive. I think they found man is flawed, but meditation and being in touch with the spirituality of the earth all was very applicable going forward. Even in the get back movie, there's a moment, if we want to go deep where Paul is talking about how we found, you know, it's a couple of years later, they're doing get back in like 1965, I think the retreat was the year before two years before. And Paul says, oh, I found all my old home videos and like Jane is there, which is Paul's old girlfriend, Jane Asher.
He goes and there's Patty like, and Paul's going and I'm watching it. And it's like we're all just, you know, we're putting it on. Like he's basically saying we're kind of look like we're we're living a different life or we're not ourselves. We're faking it and you can see George take offense to the implication that they were they're playing dress up somehow.
You can see the clip and George is like, well, no, we weren't there for that. We were there for that. It's just a quick clip and get back and then they go into a montage of all of Paul's like super eight footage with a nice little song over top. And it's cool moment, but you feel that little slight bit of tension where Paul's almost like, remember when we did that stupid thing and George is like, it wasn't stupid to me.
That was the subtext of their edition to a Beatles podcast, which I always prefer. But did George stay spiritual? Like what was his post Beatles life like? Because he seemed like he was very and very into that, but also into luxury cars.
Like how did you do that? Well, this is the duality of man. This was George's inner conflict. That's why he wrote the album, Living in the material world.
How can I maintain my spirituality and my need to sort of connect with something greater than myself? But also I love going to F1 and racing cars and I love my giant mansion at Freier Park. I think that was sort of his that was his journey was trying to reconcile those two needs conflicting needs. You know, why not give it all away and go live in a field somewhere?
But also he liked the better things in life and luxuries. But he also he did the very first ever charity concert. He did the concert for Bangladesh. Like that was in 1970 early 70s.
I don't know the exact year and that's he brought in right. Shaker and that was to benefit what was going on in Bangladesh. You know, and then years later live aid comes along at the Canadian for 19 like George Harrison invented the charity concert. You know, it all got fucked up.
Everyone got sued. The money didn't really make it there. Those issues with it. But you know, you're going to break some eggs the first time you make an omelet.
You know, I don't think that's how the saying necessarily works. But yeah, so George maintained his spirituality throughout the 70s and 80s and 90s. Well, also acknowledging it's very hard when you like to have lots of money and access to all the cool shit. Max, how do you reconcile your spirituality and access to Lakers games with big wigs?
That's a great question. I think about that all the time. I mean, I'm not as rich as George Harrison. Let's say that.
First of all. And also, I'm happy to pay taxes. That's the other thing about George Harrison. He hated taxes.
It's so funny. All these guys, the second they got rich, they're like leaving the artist community. Like the Rolling Stones are like, we're out of here. We're going to France.
We don't want to fucking pay taxes. George Harrison has a song called Tax Man. You know what it is? It's that thing where it happens to a lot of people.
Like if you don't like when you start making a decent amount of money or a good salary, I don't think you realize how much tax you owe. And for especially for musicians where you have to declare your own taxes, I think a lot of those guys got very rich like in the early 20s. And then after like two or three years of not paying taxes, they got hit with a massive bill that rocked their like, wait, I owe the government of England three million fucking pounds. Then they get pissed off because they didn't even know that juice running.
The Rolling Stones thing was almost like a necessity. It's like they couldn't keep going if they didn't, you know, exile or whatever. Yeah. And so that song Tax Man though is definitely George got a bad tax bill and was like, I need to write, I'm so pissed off.
I'm going to write a song about this. You like paying taxes on that. You want to, you want to. No, I'm happy to pay taxes.
But it's a thing that it's good to think about. You know, I think it's great to think about it. You know, let's say you show up to this game. You don't know where your tickets are.
Yeah. Oh, you're in the 300s. Total normy. Do you leave it half time?
You know, I've been thinking, I've actually been thinking about this exact thing lately. And yes, I leave it half time. No, I actually because and this is such a spoiled thing to say because I've, you know, gotten so many great tickets for free over the years and we've talked about this. It really just got to who you're with.
And when I go to a Blue Jays game and you're sitting up in 500, it's like just as good as sitting in a lower seat. And I think like and I think right memory sitting in the 300s, it's been a while. I don't understand. But I really like the more you think about it.
It's like the great thing about going to a sporting event. Of course, like if you've never had the chance to like sit courts, I'd see how big these athletes are up close and personally the sounds of it. All the gax experience is undeniably amazing, especially the first time you do it. Because you can't believe how it feels to be under the right lights.
But once you've done that a few times, then you kind of realize the best part is just being in the arena. And it really doesn't matter where you are. I don't think and you could be up in the nosebleeds and if you're with a lively section or you're with your best friend or you're with someone, your family, it's the best. It is the best.
So I don't really, I don't think I care that much about that stuff. I would argue that if you're famous or famous, Jason, it's almost better because then you get that man of the people's street cred. I mean, even more. And then maybe it can become a little like six plus story.
It's like Max doesn't care where he sits. He's with six plus. You know, it's like, yeah, it's like, you took the go bus for a very long time. Like you had hit records, you would tour arenas and you'd go bus.
And you'd be on the go bus. That's the best. Right next to the go bus station, it was like the best way to get to Toronto. And I also, you know, I love is to come.
I love when celebrities take this up way. You know, when you see like. Yeah, Paul McCartney's been spotted on the two. They always know they're being filmed.
So they form it back. Like man. Oh, man, just to touch on, you know, I'm reflecting on sort of a green to go along with things. If let's do it part of a gang.
We were we had a text Shane, the Shane and jump hop lists and Mark Myers. And we were talking about there was a scene from the ladies Ghostbusters, whatever. It was all green screen of the whole thing at the museum was green screen. So we were just talking about that film nerd bullshit, but we were sort of jokes were flying.
But Shane had asked if anyone seen this Ghostbusters frozen empire movie. I was like, yeah, I was like, I don't miss a Ghostbusters movie. And this one was shit. It's not a very good movie.
But I was wondering why don't I miss a Ghostbusters? What is it about Ghostbusters and it hitting to for me in the formative years where I will just no matter what if a ghost movie comes out, I'm into the brand and I will watch them. And there's really only like maybe two and a half good ghostbuster movies. I was five of them now, like two and a half of them are watchable or whatever worth your time.
But then I started thinking, okay, I'm into Ghostbusters and my whole life. I have been into the idea and I've talked about this before of being in groups. I love being in a group of guys. And I think it's like the four Ghostbusters, the four Beatles, the four ninja turtles.
It's like all these things that were so appealing to me growing up was always having like three other buddies that were all kind of fit together and we got to do things together. Like I was never like, even when I started like making music and stuff and I was kind of Mike Virmen, I would go to the free times and I would just me and my guitar. It'd be fine. I would do it because I'd wanted to sing or get up on a stage or do something.
I wanted to play the songs that I'd worked on in my bedroom, but it was never as fun as when I had a gang of friends with me to do things. And I'm like, did that start with Ghostbusters? Like it might have started with Ghostbusters when I was like seven years old or eight years old when I first saw that. And then obviously the Beatles solidified that.
I love the ninja turtles. I'm sure there's some other four sums or groups that I could think of, but I just drawn it. Look at this podcast the way that like we make the TV shows, everything I've ever done, being in bands. I just, it's always been more fun.
Like my brother, I like doing things. I like sharing the fucking fun and I wonder if it was solidified with something as silly as Ghostbusters one and two. Well, being in groups and other people was kind of like, the original internet, you know, like talking to you, like I'm learning about the Beatles. I don't have to Google this.
You're telling me. So if we were younger, no internet exists, like, oh, might just read all these fucking Beatles books because that was his interest. And now I get to sponge off him and his knowledge. And then, you know, Max is telling a joke and I'm laughing off that I don't need to watch a cat video anymore.
So I think people were really the original internet. Fuck, I like that. There was no internet. Guys, I have to go to the studio.
I just, I love, I always love your transition. Scott, it's very profound. He just repeats the last thing you heard and then transitions to exit. But what I will say though is that one of my skills, Ash would say, is my ability to leave conversations.
Ash texted me the other day. She was like in the middle of a meeting and she's like, I cannot leave this conversation right now. And I was like, if I was there, I could really offer my services. I just start walking away and I just say good to see you.
Then they just turn around and it'd be fine. They'd be totally fine. I want to leave our listeners with a recommendation just because we're talking about. And I think Mike, you'd really like this a lot.
Have you heard of Sam Fender? I've heard the name. Why do I know Sam Fender is a Northern Brit? He's putting out his third record.
It just came out on Friday, but it's he has a very strong, I think he's from Manchester. Then there. And yeah, and he's it's sort of a cross between Springsteen, the killers and Oasis, I'd say, on the new record. And a lot of the lyrics about working class stuff and he had a great quote the other day.
He was talking the Sunday Times and then the lyrics are fucking great. They're like devastatingly great about like working class issues in England. And he said, the music industry is 80% 90% kids were privately educated. A kid from where I'm from can't afford to tour.
So there are probably thousands of writing songs that are 10 times better than mine, pointing to lyrics about the country, but they will not be seen because it's rigged. So it's like going after that. So I was like, right up my alley. So go listen to that and we can talk about next episode.
I love it. That's how I know the name. I saw that quote. I thought that quote too.
Yeah, it's a great quote and it's fucking true. And his lyrics are so fucking great. And yeah, the mill. Little bit of light Sam.
Yeah. All right. Well, that's it. That's all that's our episode.
Nathan, hopefully there weren't too many ums and likes and all of the above. Um, we appreciate you listening. Will you all enjoy this and that it's coming out, you know, the day that we record it. Quite possibly.
Thank you so much, man. Your ass who's also been on this. I'm sure taking notes, I think it's an eighth in Nashville, the hard work you do, especially for a day turnaround. Thank you, Maxi Shane.
Thank you to the listeners. Guys, it's been a great hand. Maybe the best.