A conversation with Green leaders Marama Davidson and James Shaw

Toby Manhire sits down with the co-leaders of the Green Party to discuss the successes and failures of the last six years, how they're approaching a crowded, antagonistic campaign, the electorate seats they're taking seriously and the great dance of rulings out and bottom lines. Plus: what was going through their heads as they stood a few metres away from Elizabeth Kerekere when she denounced an "epic failure of leadership" and the latest on the incident in which Davidson was struck by a motorcycle during the Posie Parker counter-protest. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices