A couple of former White House counsels sound-off on pardons, norms & ethics

49 days to go in what has already been a controversial and messy transition from Joe Biden to Donald Trump ... thank you for joining us in the count down to inauguration. On today's Countdown 2024: We're talking with a pair of former White House attorneys to help digest two different events over the last couple of days--one from the outgoing Biden administration and one from the incoming Trump administration--that illustrates how far traditional political norms and standards have broken down in the United States. Presidential pardons and FBI nominations, coming up on today's show.