EPISODE · Jun 12, 2025 · 37 MIN
A Theory of Leadership Meta-Talk and the Talking-Doing Gap (Fischer & Alvesson, 2025) | FT50 JMS
from Revise and Resubmit - The Mayukh Show · host Mayukh Mukhopadhyay
English Podcast starts at 00:00:00Bengali Podcast starts at 00:22:28Hindi Podcast starts at 00:29:51🎙️✨ Welcome to “Revise and Resubmit” — your go-to podcast for decoding big ideas in academic research! 🎓📚Today, we’re peeling back the curtain on leadership — not the kind you do, but the kind you talk about doing. 💬👔 Imagine a workplace where managers speak in poetic purpose about vision and values, harmony and hope — but behind that grand stage, the actual performance tells a very different tale. 🎭❓📖 Our episode is based on the brand new FT50 journal article titled “A Theory of Leadership Meta-Talk and the Talking-Doing Gap” by the brilliant minds of Thomas Fischer and Mats Alvesson, published on June 3rd, 2025 in the Journal of Management Studies, one of the most prestigious journals in the world of business and management. 🏆📘This paper gives a name to the dance we often see in boardrooms and TED Talks: Leadership Meta-Talk. It's not fake, it's not always honest — it’s selective storytelling. Sometimes it's aspirational. Sometimes it's just noise. But always, it draws attention away from messy reality and into a carefully lit spotlight. 💡🎤The authors argue that this talking-doing gap isn’t a leadership bug — it’s a feature. A systemic one. It helps managers feel good, look good, and seem like they’re doing good… even if actual change is slower, costlier, and way more complex. 🤔💼So, here’s the big question we’re leaving you with today:If leadership meta-talk is so powerful, can real leadership ever catch up to the stories we tell about it? 🧠💥🙏 Huge thanks to Thomas Fischer, Mats Alvesson, and the publishers — Society for the Advancement of Management Studies and John Wiley & Sons Ltd. — for this thought-provoking contribution to the field. 👏📚📢 Don’t forget to subscribe to this podcast "Revise and Resubmit" on Spotify, and check out our visual deep-dives on YouTube channel "Weekend Researcher". We're also streaming on Amazon Prime and Apple Podcast! 🚀🎧🍏Stay curious. Stay critical. And always… revise and resubmit. 😉🔁📝ReferenceFischer, T. and Alvesson, M. (2025), A Theory of Leadership Meta-Talk and the Talking-Doing Gap. J. Manage. Stud.. https://doi.org/10.1111/joms.13249Youtube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@weekendresearcherSupport us on Patreonhttps://patreon.com/weekendresearcher
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English Podcast starts at 00:00:00Bengali Podcast starts at 00:22:28Hindi Podcast starts at 00:29:51🎙️✨ Welcome to “Revise and Resubmit” — your go-to podcast for decoding big ideas in academic research! 🎓📚Today, we’re peeling back the curtain on leadership — not the kind you do, but the kind you talk about doing. 💬👔 Imagine a workplace where managers speak in poetic purpose about vision and values, harmony and hope — but behind that grand stage, the actual performance tells a very different tale. 🎭❓📖 Our episode is based on the brand new FT50 journal article titled “A Theory of Leadership Meta-Talk and the Talking-Doing Gap” by the brilliant minds of Thomas Fischer and Mats Alvesson, published on June 3rd, 2025 in the Journal of Management Studies, one of the most prestigious journals in the world of business and management. 🏆📘This paper gives a name to the dance we often see in boardrooms and TED Talks: Leadership Meta-Talk. It's not fake, it's not always honest — it’s selective storytelling. Sometimes it's aspirational. Sometimes it's just noise. But always, it draws attention away from messy reality and into a carefully lit spotlight. 💡🎤The authors argue that this talking-doing gap isn’t a leadership bug — it’s a feature. A systemic one. It helps managers feel good, look good, and seem like they’re doing good… even if actual change is slower, costlier, and way more complex. 🤔💼So, here’s the big question we’re leaving you with today:If leadership meta-talk is so powerful, can real leadership ever catch up to the stories we tell about it? 🧠💥🙏 Huge thanks to Thomas Fischer, Mats Alvesson, and the publishers — Society for the Advancement of Management Studies and John Wiley & Sons Ltd. — for this thought-provoking contribution to the field. 👏📚📢 Don’t forget to subscribe to this podcast "Revise and Resubmit" on Spotify, and check out our visual deep-dives on YouTube channel "Weekend Researcher". We're also streaming on Amazon Prime and Apple Podcast! 🚀🎧🍏Stay curious. Stay critical. And always… revise and resubmit. 😉🔁📝ReferenceFischer, T. and Alvesson, M. (2025), A Theory of Leadership Meta-Talk and the Talking-Doing Gap. J. Manage. Stud.. https://doi.org/10.1111/joms.13249Youtube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@weekendresearcherSupport us on Patreonhttps://patreon.com/weekendresearcher
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