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A Wild Ride with Laura Desiree

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I'll record first, you tell me to. Alright, I pressed it. Flashin' lights. Smoke.

I'm all the stolen leave-o-of my boulder of fau- Welcome to the show! Did you know that? You're a very nice lady. Hell yeah.

Laura Desiré, welcome to the show. What's up, Laura? How you doing? Holy shit, does that not do anything to you?

I've been here for a while. You just sat there. It's not my first rodeo. Holy shit.

Talk about first impression. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Okay.

Try not to cuss too much because we're on YouTube. Oh, good now. Oh, geez. Okay.

You're a strikingly beautiful lady. Thank you so much. It's almost intimidating. I like that.

You do scare people from time to time with your beauty. Am I right? It's like the six-foot-tall thing. I think more than anything it's that.

Oh, you've got a Bridget Nielsen thing about you. You could probably crush me. I get a lot of that. Okay.

Yeah. Because I always, at least I have this thing with, I want to have sex with a lady that could defeat me. Yeah. And like a big jack lady because I figured that could be it.

And I never, I always said it, but I never even really knew what defeated means. The closest I've ever got is I slept with a weight lifted lady, a big famous wrestling lady. She died. But at one point, not in.

Okay. But I was on top and then she flipped me over and got on top and I was like, oh, here we go. Like this is, I'm going to get handled. But it didn't.

That'd be the ideal kind of intimacy then, intimate encounter being something of a wrestling match more than say, I'm submissive, you're dominant. It wouldn't be the ultimate. I'm more of a thrill seeker. I want to do, because I've had a mistress for a while.

It was like, am I a dumb or am I a sub? And she's like, you just want to do everything. That's all you want to do. I'm a creature of intensity.

So when I get that question and people say, are you more dominant or are you more subbeats? I want someone to match the energy. I want to push and pull. I want to fight you a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. See, it's different for smaller people to get that to happen with me. I didn't even realize you were that tall until right now.

And that's cool. As I was cooking out front of this fabulous studio. Do you want me to mention, because you couldn't get into the gate? Yeah, please do.

It's a crazy talk. Because she was like, you've locked out. I'm like, locked out of what? She's like, the gate's not locked.

And then she walked over the gate and I lifted the latch and opened it. It was just that, you know, the gate is just too high. I could probably clear it if I took a running jump. But I said, I'm not about to do that.

I'm not doing it. Did you see the Belgian lady doing the hurdles? What the legend lady was going on? Yeah, I mean, there was a shot putter lady.

Is this a viral clipper? It was totally viral. So what happened is, I don't know all specific. So some international track and field thing and like both of the hurdle runners got hurt for the Belgian team.

So they were going to have to like drop out. So the shot put lady, who sounds like the kind of lady you're looking for? Because I was going to say, I'll just do, and I'll lose. And so there's this whole event that you can see the video where all of these little hurdle ladies are going and the one.

Oh, damn. Gigantic lady. You can say it. Yeah.

She's huge. She's really, really huge. I mean, I pull a groin even trying that. Are you kidding?

Look at this. Well, they're way better than her, huh? That's. Oh, she didn't even.

I think your coach told her you got to do it so we don't lose, but don't make it possible to show. Wow, that's a sacrificial move right there. Yeah. So you've got many talents.

You've done a lot of things. You're a very pretty girl that worked in the sex industry, but you are like a person that knows a lot more than that. You have shows, you've hosted several things. Hell yeah.

When people have questions, they come to you. Yeah. You want me to run it down a little bit? Please, especially for the people.

Okay, fabulous. So everyone watching and listening, I come from seven years hosting and producing for a legacy web series called Naked News. Sure. Formerly Playboy TV, whatnot.

And a lot of people go, wow, that thing is still on. But yeah, I specialized in mostly investigations into sexual behaviors, sexuality, great sex, the pursuit of pleasure, these are things that interest me very authentically. So I led a lot of series that went into whether a deep dive on the most effective dirty talk or whether it was, hey, how do I open up my relationship speaking to educators, doctors, experienced folk? When it comes to sex and what people like, everybody's different.

So how do you get, like you just said, for instance, talking to somebody, not everybody, especially in my experience, there's different kinds of dirty talk for different kinds of people. So if you say to certain people, they'd be like, what the hell? And that's why exposing yourself, pun intended, perhaps, to different communities that exist within the sexual sphere. It kind of gives you a gauge as to whether or not you're into whatever that community is into.

So until you go out and start talking to folks and hearing about their life experience and what turns them on, what gets them off, you might not even know it's a curiosity of yours. Okay, let me ask you both something to illustrate what you're talking about. Can you give me an example either from your own personal life or from your professional experience of a level of dirty talk that you know is exactly where somebody out there wants to be that would scare the shit out of the average person if it came up during a casual sexual encounter. Because I think we all know what the general range is that's like starter kit, dirty talk, but you're saying there's different stuff for different people.

Where's a place you could go with someone that would be a level that would be too far for most? Where's some, I mean, it's always choose your own adventure. And I think good dirty talk, it has to include question asking and information offering. You have to put that on the table for the other person, otherwise there's nothing to work with.

So you know, you could obviously, I'm going to make sure we respect language here. Yeah, just going to get bleeped out, but how about that? Yeah, right, okay. You know what I mean?

Okay. You say that to somebody that is like what's going to be causing? If that's authentically what gets you off and you better be sharing, I'm just saying, you know, like people, you want effective dirty talk, then don't try and play a role that's not you. Yeah, you gotta honestly expect something for our worst.

I don't know what. Well, I think you're going to be doing stuff like the Necronomicon. Oh, wow. See that, if somebody did that to me, I go, hell yeah, wait a minute, is that the Necronomicon?

I think that's weird. I think I'm okay with it. It's details that make it really good. I find if you bring in enough detail, whether it's like sensory specifics about like how tight the grip is or how hard the smack is or how sealed the mouth is on said part of body, like details, temperature details, all that is so necessary.

So you really got to study the person that you're sleeping with to get the best out of it. Yeah. Like you know that person inside out, then you can do the things that they want. But you do that while you're in this heated sex thing, right?

Yeah. You can, you can mine for information while you're in the middle of it. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the easiest one for me is because I recently single and I've dated a couple of girls lately. I've seen a couple and I've met them and then we kind of made out and then we did stuff and it was like, oh my God, this is new a little bit.

And now I'm kissing girls for the first time and I'm like, well, this is how I kiss. Yeah. And then I'm like, oh, that's how you kiss. Well, we're going to, we're going to like figure out which ones the best one for both of us.

I just forced my way. Because that was the thing that I noticed. And I told a few friends, right? Somebody was a little drunk and I don't drink anymore.

And when we started making it out, I was like, what is happening? And I was like, I didn't, in my head, I was like, no, like this, you know, like what are you doing? I don't think, I think you're too drunk to read that that's not working out. And I was like, oh, that's interesting.

Because usually we come to a happy medium or the best one is where, yeah, that's how I do it too. You're waiting to find the rhythm. You want to see this compatible. But yeah, I think that people do go into autopilot as well with maybe what was a successful past kiss and I just bring it to the next one and hope that it's a fit.

Like you do have to have some trial and error. You're going to have some potentially embarrassing moments where the teeth smack and crack and that should happen. Yeah. Do you think it's a thing?

Because I always, I found that when I was a younger man, I was pretty sure I was good. And then when I slept with other people that were like, why don't you try this or try that? And I might wait. As in what I'm doing, it's not the best.

And I remember being in like at her, I heard my feelings to be like, wait, I could do it better? I thought I was good at it. And then learning to do something and then accepting it like I got better from the advice and I was like, okay, I can take the hit on you're not doing it as good as I would like, just as long as you teach me how to do it better. Yeah.

Like so. Growing up. Bravo. It's important.

But I think a lot of men. Yeah. Just based off my girlfriends don't do that. Like the jamming of things in people without warming up.

Like that's a total dude thing to do. Of course. And then they have their moves. The dudes have their moves, right?

Yeah. And it's like a checklist. And then they have to go to that and you can't. It's not a one size fits all.

No way. Not great sex. Great sex is not a one size fits all. What made you like, so that means you've been, you were good in bed and then you were like, I'm going to go into a deep dive of being good in bed.

I agree. And now you kind of know more than your average person and you can help people get better. So that means what made you so infatuated with getting better? Because I like that seems like a, did you do it like I'm going to do this so I can advance my career or you were like, I'm just obsessed with trying to figure out how to get people off.

I love, I love, I love pleasure. I love witnessing someone else reach what would be a climax of pleasure, even though it's not all about the climax, everyone. The journey of it all. I'm fascinated about how we drop that composure that the rest of the world gets.

What I mean is the armor that we wear. Let's say I totally get that. You know what I mean? It's like, I know what your face looks like when you're out presenting to the public, but I want to see when it starts to contort because you're surrendering to your pleasure.

Just face. No, I don't. Even before you turn on. It is the just face.

But even before you get to that, that's the pride. I think that's why even strip clubs and stuff have never really appealed to me all that much. Because that's, I am sort of like a, that's like my trophy is when you meet somebody and they're giving you the mask. You get that, I mean the surrender is sort of the best possible word for it.

That's the thing that you're actually after and it's no fun if you, if that's for sale. No, that's, that's, I like, that's interesting. Yeah. It's, it's to me, it's, it's watching that come undone.

You just made me realize why I don't go to strip clubs anymore. Yeah. And they're great. And I remember like, I've had bad experiences, but I remember being in New York when scores first really became a thing and it was like girls would have birthday parties there to show that they were super cool and trendy and you'd go and go, wow, like how the girls in here are more beautiful than any girl I've ever seen naked.

I get the appeal. But that's why I never became my thing. You got any bad habits? I have picked up a bad habit or two in my lifetime, but none at the moment, all I've got is a perfectly happy relationship with my firm.

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The other ones were a lie. Come on. Come on. You must have faked it for the beginning.

As many of us do at the start of the journey. Do you know I faked it twice. It's particularly funny when you're a guy who can come real quick and I was like, this is one time where I did a spit. Because I was behind her.

I was like, I'm going to get busted. If I get busted, I'll be like, all right, you caught me. But I didn't. And I just was like, okay, I'm just going to.

That's resourceful quick thinking. I was going to happen. It wasn't going to happen. But it was going to be like really vigorous.

And I was like, I'm not into it. Yeah. Working on the ends. We're humans.

In a way. But that was your initial stop. Well, for me, it was like, I did not know I made those sounds. I mean, I don't mean it's always that animalistic or, you know, gorilla whatnots.

No. But I was like shocked. Shops getting chopped up. I was shocked by what transformation happened in me to achieve that.

And it just sparked something. Yeah. And I thought, wow, this is what it's all about. This is what it's all about.

This is why we're alive. People should take a damn curiosity about their sexual selves. How to figure out what age were you when you had that awakening? The first real awakening was probably like 19.

Because everything before that, you're really like self-conscious. I didn't let dudes go down on me for the first little bit. You know, because when you're a teenager and you're all like, oh, there's something. I don't know.

No, I wasn't missing anything from it. Okay, I remember the kisses. I just saw somebody taking some mushrooms and it was my step-mom's best friend. And I went down on her and it was like a cat spat at me.

Like it went, wow, the show just chucked down. Wow. And it hit me in the face. I told you, I told you see my stand up.

It hit me in the face and my age and what I was like, you know, going and I was like, okay, but not really wanting to do it because I was like, oh, my face in it. Okay. And I did it. And then she spat on me.

Did you know they did that? No. So that I would die for a camera from my face because I feel like it was like a dog. It was like, sniffing something and it like popped on their face.

Like, I was like, what? Like, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to do. Like, I'm definitely not going back down there.

Like, I didn't know those things did that. Hello. That's it can be a shock. It actually went to your first time.

It was like a year before I put my face down there again because I wasn't sure. I was like, is it going to do that again? Because I'm not ready for that. And then you get older.

And I'm like, man, if you do that now, I'm so pumped. You know, like, I'm like, whoa, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And I was like, if you really wanted to, to feel the, the, the fruits of sex, you would want to open yourself up to all these different aspects because there's, you know, there's a bet, you know, like, oh, you put, you put stuff in your butt and I'll get it. A lot of straight dudes think like, like, less of a man because of that and that's cool. You can do it with that if you want to.

But I'm having multiple orgasms. And if you're a guy, you can't have multiple orgasms when you're having sex normally, but if he puts stuff in your butt, you can. And I can tell people, like, I don't need that and that's cool. I get that too.

But I will never let that go. Now that I know that that's a thing I'm never going to stop doing it. such a resistance in our culture, even in our modern world, to not explore what might be a conduit of pleasure. It's like a guilt.

It's a lot of people carry. There's a lot of people carry rooted, pure, technical, church-given guilt. Yeah, yeah, well said. That's real.

Yeah, because I feel like, I don't have it. I was not instilled in me. As soon as I figured out, wait, sex. Okay, how many things can you do?

Whoa, you can do things. And then I meet people where they go, oh, I have this room that has this thing. And I'm like, wait, what? And toys and restraints and the BDSM world.

And I'm like, man, people, no offense, but there are so many levels that I now know. That's the good thing. So I don't know anything. That's what I believe.

When you refuse yourself exploration of something that you're curious about, whether it brings you pleasure or not, you feel kind of powerless to yourself. You're like, wait, there's this area I can't go to in my own identity because I'm afraid of what I might find. And so then you look to get power affirmed in other ways, whether it's cruelty to others, whether it's anger or resentment, you feel in other partnerships or relationships. So it's like, all I can say is if you want to free yourself a whole lot more, do some of that investigating because we all have a sexual identity.

Even if your sexuality is, I don't like having sex. That's still a sexual identity. For sure. You need to be so comfortable to go there and ask yourself what might be existing in my sexual identity because it's part of our instinctual being as humans.

Yeah. And there was a time where I think a lot of people just accepted that if I don't fit into one of the given identities that, well, it sucks to be me. I'll just write it out like this. And that was the way that it was.

And maybe some people found, I think I've known some older people who found some sort of happiness because those were the rules that they were playing by to still be doing that nowadays. Like you only live once. Think of how that compounds over life and then generationally. Because people that bring new people into the world, a parent bringing in a kid who then has this idea that we have to be ashamed and avoid this aspect of life.

That's got some real negative trickle down trajectory right there. That's terrifying stuff. And it's happening. That's our world.

That happened to me. Yeah. That person changed completely. I can't understand it though.

I think they're happier where they are. And I was like, well, it didn't come out of me. I'm going the other way. All we can do is influence people to do this examination for themselves.

Right. Like you said, you never know what your kings could be, but also you can find out that they're not for you too. Completely. When I was experimenting with this person, it was very apparent the more we progressed that it was, let's not do that ever again.

And I'd be like, yeah, okay. And in my head, I was like, I really like that. Look, I don't like 69. I don't like it.

It's not my thing. In fact, when it comes up, I'm like, I'm not doing this. It's not my thing. For me, I'm either giving it or getting it.

And I can't really break my focus and find pleasure. If I'm giving it, I'm giving it. I'm giving it my all. I don't want to be distracted by that.

Oh, that does feel good. I'm sorry. It's not my thing. That's all you need to say.

Because I have a hard time understanding that. But it's like if you just say, let's say people don't like cheese. It's like, well, no, but it's really good. It's like, well, that's how you write about it.

So you don't like it. That's the reason. I understand your angle and I'm the complete opposite. Yeah.

Like I like, add it. If I'm down there and you want to add a bunch of stuff, I'm down there. I was like, add on. No, no, I keep my blinders on.

I want one or the other. Yeah, you know, it's too distracting for me. But hey, for others I find pleasure and I'm so happy for you. That's great.

That's what I'm saying. Each to their own. We're going to have to find something to debate if we're here high-fiving everything. Yeah, I don't want to argue with your bad at it, but maybe you are wrong.

You know, maybe you need to fill your hole. We're going to go here to 69 with the wrong people. I am six feet tall, so it is a challenge sometimes. Let's not forget that.

Oh, wow. Yeah, that can be a weird one. Yeah, that can be a bit longer. Yeah, that's crazy.

I like being that tall because I've been in relationships with tall women not exclusively. And I was like, this is great. I love that. I mean, the feeling I always say that like when you walk in the bar and the people look at you and then they look up and then they look back at you sort of like what are you doing with her.

I'm like, that's right. I love that. I'm going to see you embrace that. The problem is, I frame myself in the doorway.

I stand and I strike a couple of houses and move through to where I need to be. Everyone who I'm thinking of would like this in photos and I'm like, you know, I know you're six feet tall. You think I don't want you to bend over. You know, but I think the problem might be, and this is not, this is the world's problem, not this person's problem.

What about the girl who's six foot two, that doesn't want to own the room, that doesn't want to dominate them, that wants to be the pretty girl under, you know, with some guys arm on top of her shoulder. That's challenging because a lot of the guys who are going to be into her are like, yeah, dominate me, be Brigitte Nielsen. She doesn't want to inhabit that role, then that's tough. Because we're stereotyping something that we can't change, and I can't change it, I'm 6 feet tall.

It works out that you are the body that you would have. And do I often feel the role of Big Spoon? Hell yeah, but do I also demand on being Little Spoon, a thousand percent, and I don't care if my ass doesn't land in your lap if it hits you closer than me, I don't care. I like you.

Yeah, here goes. Curl around, curl around. But it's true that we eat with our eyes. As humans we eat with our eyes, we see something, and we make an assumption about what it could be like to experience that person, what intimacy might be like with them, what they might be into.

We might say, I don't judge like that. It doesn't matter where humans and to some degree, our little terminator senses go on and we start doing it. So yeah, when you see a 6 foot tall woman walking in, and maybe she does have a confidence about her, maybe her shoulders are back, you're gonna say, that's someone who knows what she wants in the bedroom. She's probably super dominant.

She's probably a little mean and has a kinky side. You're not wrong, but grant me the permission to be everything else that I am as well. Which might be in need of love making, which might be in need of a long make out that leads to nothing but a good night's sleep. Or a good going over where you're like, dragged across walls and shit like that.

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No, wait, that was trying to go there. Yeah, I want to do not in a fit of fashion. I want to hear about it. I want to hear about sexual beatings of men.

Absolutely. Are we talking a boyfriend or a hired to be beaten, humiliated, what are you? It's been, there have been combinations of, but you know, I love my legs. I love the length and strength of them.

They're strong, are they? Yeah, it's wonderful to get. Fuck it out loud. You can lock a lot between them.

I think really keeping the thighs strong is just a great weapon to have readily available. Yeah. But I also love a good slapping. I love to slap.

But I also love verbal bullying. Yeah. OK, like I have an only fans page, and I attract a very submissive subscriber. Like that.

Constantly, I also feed into it. OK, I'll do photo shoots and content where I'm like, literally greasing my fist. So they'll get into that. But you fist people?

They, you know, actually haven't actually fisted anyone. All right, I have. Well, I'm sure you have. I've put it somewhere the other day.

Yeah, footing. Ooh, footing. I never would have thought I would have liked that. Yeah.

Did you point the toe as you put it in? You got it. You got to rotate it as it goes into it. I'm a foot person, actually.

So that's a turn on for me. That's it. I am too. I have no idea.

That's what I'm saying. I constantly get surprised with like, wait a minute. Really? OK.

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. I get a lot of requests, though, for verbal assault.

Like, what's the specific? Small penis humiliation. Yeah. What are those?

I know. I know. I know. There's four sense of bitches.

I know exactly what they want. I'll tell you that. They know exactly what they want. I had a subscriber do video sessions with me.

And his great fantasy was to be fully castrated and made completely useless to the world. And so we had to find really unique ways to come close to that fantasy without putting anyone in danger. So I had some really fun, wonderful sessions saying there's that knife in your kitchen, right? We're just going to feel the temperature of the knife against you.

We're not going to drag it. But just feel, is it cold? OK. Is it serrated?

OK, cool. Where are those scissors that you have in your drawer? Great. Let's just take those out and maybe open the blades and lay yourself between them.

But don't pinch it. And this was enough stimulation to just really satisfy a fantasy and do it safely. Because obviously, I would never permit or enforce or even indulge someone in actually doing that. And you're worried about the most awful stories.

I'm sure you're familiar with what people have. Of course. I've got to worry about some of those people snipping when you tell them not to. Well, it was a video call.

So you would have lost access to me. And I think that's the greater threat. OK. Then I'm going to hang out this call.

He's told you he wants them off. And then you go put him in scissors. And if, well, we're going to come close to experiencing. Is he joking off with the 70s?

No, it's in the mind. It's in the mind. Does he still have a gym space when you're telling him all this? Yeah, there's a very, it's a sub-state of sorts.

There's that look at ecstasy. That's maybe a few moments away from a drool starting. That's fun. Yeah.

No, it's an interesting headspace, right? Because it's total surrender. But it can be very blissful, quiet, and warm. Now, a lot of people are going to listen to this and say, oh, they're not.

So they're the greatest sexual desire is to be castrated. That person is crazy. That's not an uncommon conclusion. I could not agree with that.

Some people buy sketches, and I think that's crazy. It's an intensity thing. I mean, I can't define what the element of it is that makes it so exciting. Because it's not my fantasy.

But I don't really think it's a wild one. It's not the weirdest one. OK, what's the weirdest one? I knew you were going to go with that.

You said it out. I knew you. I did. I really did.

The weirdest one, I get sent a lot of scripts that people want then read back to them. And so I find so fascinating. They have their entire thing already laid out in a script, and then I just read it. And it's like, how easy is my fucking, my guys?

Sorry, guys. But that's so good for them. Because this has been growing inside of them for decades. Exactly.

Exactly. I always want people to put articulation to their fantasies. I think it's so important. It's like, yeah, build up the words for it.

So I don't know if there's a weirdest example. There's people that just have a grand vocabulary for maybe their obsession with BBC. And the fact that they worship it to this level. And I read these long scripts, and I go, oh my goodness.

This is like an erotic possession in your mind. I marvel at it. Some of them are really good. Some of them, I'm like, you should pursue this.

The grandeur of your vocabulary is astonishing. Right? So they really put in some work. Yeah.

And I actually commend them for that every time. I say, especially if I agree with it. If I don't agree with reading, if there's something in the language that I say, I don't want to be a part of this, I always have the right to refuse it. But usually I say to them, this is phenomenal.

I applaud you. And I really do. Like people try it. OK.

Try it. Take out a Phizaurus. So what is the, what was the, do we get to the creepy one? The creepy ones.

I mean, you would be, this will not live on YouTube if we go to the creepy ones. OK. Well, thanks for warning us. Yeah.

This is a good idea. This is, I mean, this is a very dark and disturbing world that's likely informed by, say, the deepest corners of the dark web. Do you engage with those people? Absolutely not.

OK. OK. Bye. Bye.

You're gone. It seems to me the general consensus. I mean, am I fascinated by it? Do I think about it afterwards?

100%. But I would never entertain it. Go. No, no, no.

I can relate. I want, I'm trying not to ruin YouTube, but I have the Grindr app. And one time somebody said something to me about licking me and that was like clean. And could I not be?

And I was like, what exactly are you trying to say? And then my suspicions were correct. And he was trying to eat something. And I was like, can I you, can't you get to, because now I'm engaging, but I'm not engaging because I'm going, I'm engaging because I'm like, are you real?

Like, are you really real? Because I thought that if you did that, you would get sick. Oh, yeah. I mean, listen, there's.

You seem to talk back to me in a way where I was like, this is not joking. You know that there's a Scatbook in Europe. Right. What's really?

I haven't covered it already. It's a hookup for, please don't even pull it up. It's all I'm saying. Yeah, no, we're not talking about it.

No, I don't want to know what the first part is, the book. So it's an app. It's an app. People meeting people over a shared interest.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. And obviously that genre doesn't even exist in the content available legally in this country, because that's a hard limit. But in Europe, oh, no, there's communities connecting you for it.

There's all kinds of parties, events. It's never trusted Europeans. I never trusted Europeans. Wow.

It's a suspect. Wow. Bless them all, my goodness. They know how to really experience themselves.

My friend went to a club in Germany and they had a pool full of peeing. They were all swimming in it. Yeah. I've heard of these stories.

I've heard of slip and slides where a bunch of people just get the ground real syrupy with their, you know what? Oh, wow. And then a couple of people decide to just body slide through it. That is living, isn't it?

Right. It's really, that is what you're like. I do not care. I'm just having a good time and whatever happens happens.

I come in, though, speaking. Yeah. I'm happy for them. And I always kind of wonder, I think a lot of people who live that sort of alternative lifestyle live in an alternative world almost all the time in my paths wouldn't necessarily cross theirs.

But I know that's not 100% true. And I'm like, well, I don't know if I'll go through my phone. I'm kind of friends with like 250 people. How many?

I don't think I know anybody who's ever done a crocodile mile in Berlin, whatever. But the odds are, I know somebody like that. And I don't know that about that. They live in an alternate universe, you said.

Well, I think that there's some people who live in a certain neighborhood and they're out at night more off in the certain neighborhoods of New York, where you kind of pass them on the street and go, I bet that person gets up some pretty weird stuff. But they're just not a mainstream person living on the French society. But then you hear the stories about, oh, yeah, there's guys go to wife and kids and blah, blah, blah. You wouldn't believe what they get up to in their space.

I can honestly tell I'm not that guy, but maybe my best friend is and he's just never been like, well, you don't need to know that I like watching myself sort of an MP. I feel like that might be the correct answer because that dominatrix friend of mine is a Bellicent Claire. She says that most of the clients are businessmen and they want stuff where I go and go, they what? Wait, they pay you for that?

And she's like, yeah, they pay me for that. Like, that's the whole point. And I remember thinking that makes no sense that you would pay any money to be locked up in a little cage for eight hours, then brought out in spank and put back in there and humiliated for another ridiculous amount of time. I'm like, what?

How do you even have the time for it? Like, are you tired the next day? I'm so happy for these people. These people make for sure a lot of money and they're very successful and when they get a break, they go there.

Right. And they have this option to do it discreetly and that they're able to. Right. Nobody knows.

It's paid legal. Everybody wins. Right. And it's safe.

Not all of it's entirely legal, unfortunately. Right. That's a massive, massive undertaking to break down state by state what is legal in this damn country when it comes to sexual experiences. But no, I'm happy that there are individuals that say you have a burning curiosity about experiencing something.

You do have places to go. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There are professionals that are willing and readily available and well-versed in what it might be that you're interested in. Right.

And say what you will about the internet. It's very much a mixed bag, but it's never been easier to, if you think you're kind of curious about something, learn more about it, learn about the right and wrong way to do it and connect the professionals that are just like when I have a collection of symptoms and I type them in and find out that I'm dying of like, you know, whatever. That would have been worth on Twitter. Exactly.

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