A win for NATO, a loss for Russia?

CNN’s Matt Rivers updates Fareed on Russia’s brutal assault on the city of Mariupol. Then, former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt explains how Putin’s war in Ukraine is changing Europe’s security calculus and forcing countries like Finland and Sweden to seriously consider joining NATO. Plus, Bill Browder, formerly the largest foreign investor in Russia, discusses what motivates Putin and how to use that knowledge to end the war. And, CNN’s David Culver joins Fareed from COVID lockdown in Shanghai to describe the draconian measures being implemented by the Chinese government. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices