Adaptability, HTMX, and DivOps with Jonathan Creamer

Jonathan Creamer, Senior Software Engineer at Microsoft and a tech enthusiast, is carving out a niche in the world of front-end tooling. He's even coined the term "DivOps" with the help of his team. Jonathan is passionate about creating and experimenting with new tools that enhance developer workflows. He is on a mission to reduce the reliance on YAML configuration in CI/CD pipelines by converting repetitive tasks into code. For him, it's all about making these processes more efficient, maintainable, and testable. Jonathan shares one of his core beliefs, which is the importance of staying adaptable in a tech career. He encourages developers to stay open to new languages and concepts. His advice? Invest time in specializing for a few years to gain an in-depth understanding, then move on to the next thing. According to Jonathan, the hallmark of a senior engineer is someone who continually broadens their skill set. In this episode, Jonathan talks to Robbie and Chuck about hot takes on popular tech topics, the world of front-end tooling, and the importance of staying adaptable as an engineer. Key Takeaways [01:26] - Introduction to Jonathan Creamer. [04:38] - A whiskey review: 13th Colony Southern Bourbon Whiskey [16:58] - Tech hot takes. [30:18] - How HTMX will change the way apps are built. [37:08] - Jonathan talks about how he came up with the term, “DivOps”. [55:27] - If Jonathan wasn’t in tech, what career would he choose? Quotes [30:51] - “There’s no way in Office we’re going to decide, let's get rid of the 20 million lines of React code that we have in our code base and switch to HTMX.” ~ Jonathan Creamer [35:36] - “There are so many ways to solve problems on front-end development. There’s just no reason to bash anybody for anything.” ~ Jonathan Creamer [47:51] - “If you’ve been writing front-end code for 10 years and you don’t know how back-end works still, I would imagine you probably do.” ~ Jonathan Creamer Links Jonathan Creamer Jonathan Creamer LinkedIn Jonathan Creamer Twitter Microsoft Hoover Ford Eventbrite React Lonely Planet National Geographic Apple Coca-Cola ABC Fine Wine & Spirits Pins Mechanical Nashville Barrel Company Nelson’s Green Brier Distillery Flutter Adobe ColdFusion jQuery Visual Studio Code John Resig Tailwind CSS Chris Coyier Digital Ocean Sentry Twitter Svelte Mozilla Firefox Google Chrome Microsoft Edge Angular NodeJS Sagamore Spirit YAML Brooks School Canon Connect with our hosts Robbie Wagner Chuck Carpenter Ship Shape Subscribe and stay in touch Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts Whiskey Web and Whatnot Top-Tier, Full-Stack Software Consultants This show is brought to you by Ship Shape. Ship Shape’s software consultants solve complex software and app development problems with top-tier coding expertise, superior service, and speed. In a sea of choices, our senior-level development crew rises above the rest by delivering the best solutions for fintech, cybersecurity, and other fast-growing industries. Check us out at shipshape.io.