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Episode number... Five. Anyone else like the number five? Five?
Twenty-five? Fifty-five? Seventy-five? Five is a very...
I would imagine... I mean, it's a very important number in nature. We have... You know, we have got five digits on our...
Our pause. Digits? Five digits. Yeah, we're...
We're all... We're all... We're all says five. Keith Richards has five strings on his guitar.
He's like, oh, well, this number is my favorite number. Yours is seventeen, right? It is. Why have we humans done that?
We think that's interesting about ourselves and we have to share it with others. We like to attach importance to those things. Obviously. It's like things I brought it up.
And then we all... And then if you have... It's trying to make sense of this crazy world. But yeah, that's true.
So we're just in this swirl. And so we're like, please. This is grasping at straws. And things...
Oh! I'll just like a number. That'll help give me some stability. But I mean, seventeen is my favorite number because I was born on July 17th.
So it's very self-involved. It's like an obvious choice. Yeah. But I also really liked being seventeen.
Really? I did. I started skipping school once in a while. Rebel.
You know, I liked... Mm-hmm. I was skipped school and I went to the library. Yeah.
That's pretty dangerous. Well, my senior high school boyfriend was a big grateful dead fan. And he was a percussionist, very talented guy. But he loved the grateful dead.
And I really liked my boyfriend. And so I thought that I kind of needed to listen to the grateful dead or basically pretend that I liked the grateful dead. And the truth is I really didn't like the grateful dead. And that's no shade to the grateful dead because...
But they certainly don't need me because they have millions of fans, millions, maybe thousands. I don't know. There's a lot. I mean, I will say my grandma Frieda, rest in peace, she's not alive anymore.
But she, when she met my high school boyfriend, she flat out told me that I had to be interested and show interest in his interest. She told you. She did, yeah. Speaking directly from another generation.
Absolutely. No, I'm not holding that against her or anything like that. And I'm just saying that that just was my reality though, is that books, like I said, were not my hobby the other day. Books were my hobby more in high school.
And I read a lot of books and she told me that I was reading too many books and that boys didn't like girls who are too smart. Thanks, grandma. Yeah. Yeah.
So truth, truth telling, I didn't like the grateful dead. I feel kind of ashamed to say that and to admit that now because I feel like I lied and I did lie. There is a great... I really wanted to be...
It's becoming almost illegal to say that you don't lie. I know. I almost feel like people, like the shadows are starting to surround me, like in ghosts. They're going to come from me.
They're going to come from me. Right now moving through Congress requires everyone to be a deadhead. To be a deadhead. But now the grateful dead are here.
Beloved. Beloved. Beyond beloved. They are.
Beyond beloved. Truly. The culture, I mean the thing that amazed me about the grateful dead and I witnessed this, myself I was on a tour once. I was in Sacramento with Sabado.
We had just opened up for pavement in Buffalo, Tom, and the cattle club, I believe it was called. And that night we went out to find hotel rooms and to find a hotel room and every hotel was full of deadheads because the grateful dead had done a show in Sacramento, kind of like a home show. California, like right there, Sacramento being fairly close to San Francisco. It was just incredible.
Just every hotel was full. There were these school buses with VW bugs, welded onto the top of them. It was just... It was truly remarkable.
And I was really struck by that and much respect to the grateful dead. Yeah. They love their fans too. But people, and I knew someone who he didn't like the grateful dead, but he went to the shows just to get up to shit, just to get up, like heavy drugs, to just, he wanted to be in the parking lot because it was just this chaotic, just this real colony of people that followed this band and the excitement that went with that.
That really struck me. This feels like a deadhead podcast. I don't want a hashtag. I don't want a grateful dead hashtag.
This is definitely not the podcast for a real grateful dead fan because they would just be really mad. I'm not your friend. I'm not your friend. I'm not trying to make anyone angry.
What I really was listening to, like privately, was like Jane's addiction and the cure and I really loved them and Susan the Banshees and the Cocktail twins, which we've talked about. But I had to put my little grateful dead t-shirt on and hop around and... Wow. God, I really also hated watching people spin when they would dance.
I know, I know. Oh, God. I feel terrible saying that. It did.
It was like it just... This is kind of getting canceled. I used to just see the spin and I just felt... I recoiled.
I did. I really did. Oh, dear me. And then you know what comes along with the grateful dead.
What? Fish. Ooh, when I start hearing that like medally guitar thing that just goes on and on and on, I'm like, to the point, man. Oh, it's about the experience.
It's about being super high and spinning. That very funny Dave Chappelle skips that he does with John Mayer where John Mayer starts playing a lead and then all of the Caucasian people start spinning. Oh, God. You've seen that?
It's very funny. John Mayer is a funny guy. He is. He's very funny.
I have a really strong spot for John Mayer. Your body's a wonderland. He said it. He did.
He said it. He also has that nice song waiting on the world to change. Oh, you love that song. I love that song.
Maybe we should learn that one. You should learn that one. I actually feel like I want to try and sing it. I'm a terrible singer.
I can't sing that song. That would be funny. I would love to try. There is something...
I could do a really amazing grotesque version. I read it on the world. Correct. It would be grotesque.
It would be truly, truly grotesque. I'm so keenly sorry John Mayer. But he has a sense of humor, so he'll understand. Me and my friends, we're all misunderstood.
They say we stand for nothing and there's no way we could. Now we see everything going wrong and those who lead it. We feel like we can't rise above and be dead. We keep waiting.
We keep waiting on the world to change. Keep on waiting. We keep on waiting on the world to change. It's hard to be the system.
When you're standing at a distance, we keep waiting. We keep waiting on the world to change. If we had the power to keep our neighbors from lies, they wouldn't miss a Christmas. They wouldn't have died.
When you trust your television, would you give us what you've got? When they only information, they can bend it all they want. We'll wait and wait on the world to change. We keep on waiting on the world to change.
It's not that we don't care. We just know the fight ain't fair. We keep waiting on the world to change. Keep waiting on the world to change.
Keep on waiting on the world to change. One day our generations got a rule of the population. Keep waiting on the world to change. Keep waiting.
I had a realization today. We were talking about TV theme songs. Oh, yes. And I had mentioned on mini music Monday that I like this idea of you perhaps learning some TV theme songs from my youth.
So today, while I was waiting on our recording to begin, I just sort of mindlessly pulled up the different strokes theme on Google and checked out the lyrics and the chords. I liked that show. I should have started only when you were only one year old when it first. But it was on when I was a kid.
Everything was on. Must have been reruns. Oh, yeah. I would have seen that there was a lot of different strokes reruns.
I was a child of the 80s, so I just watched a lot of TV. Now the world don't move to them, be the just one drum. What might be right for you? May not be right to some.
A man is bone. He's a man of means. Then along came to. They got nothing but the jeans.
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It takes different strokes it takes, different strokes it takes, different strokes world world. No. I sing this because I wanted to point this out that then along came to they got nothing but their jeans. I never knew what they were saying in the theme song.
What does that mean? They were poor. They were two poor boys. They were the clothes on their body.
Yeah, they were like genetics. Okay. They were the children of the. He adopted them, right?
He adopted them. They were his housekeepers children. She had died. She was a widow.
Oh, wow. She died. I don't even really remember the story at all. I just remember, you know.
I didn't know it either until I did a little Wikipedia. I just thought it was two brothers and then the dad, right, who adopted them. Yeah, the businessman. The businessman.
But the story is that it was his housekeeper who died. Interesting. They got, so they came poor, I guess, because he didn't pay his housekeeper very well. That's not very nice.
I know, it's interesting. Different strokes. There's no E. It's different.
They actually took the E out of the middle of different. Different. Different. Not different.
Yeah, not different. Different strokes. Different strokes. Different strokes.
That would be a really good strokes cover band. That would be an amazing strokes cover band. I love that. Different strokes.
You could do different strokes. Get on it. Getting on it. Themed songs, you know.
And wear sweater vests on stage. I'd love to see a strokes cover band. A strokes cover band dress. A strokes cover band dress.
A strokes cover band dress like a. A dress like a show. Oh, me on. Arnold and Willis.
Oh. That's cute. That's funny to think about. What was the housekeeper's name?
She went on to have her own show. Yeah. Oh, my God. Did I love that show?
I hated that show. I love that show. That show gave me fantasies about living in her home. Whatever it was, her.
Or an inch. That show for me was like. That was the whole thing. Fantasy less.
Oh, you didn't like vibe over Joe or Blair? I wasn't attracted to any of them. I really, I wasn't attracted to any of them. Sleeveless Knit Vests had a real moment in the early 80s.
You know? It was like an argyle pattern. A lot of browns. I see stuff from my childhood.
I was rocking a lot of brown corduroy pants and argyle and plaid knits, jumpers. And forest green. I feel like forest green also was having a big moment in the early 80s. Forest green corduroy and maroon.
I don't remember colors. I can color is huge in my memory. I had like this blue layered tiered flouncy dress that my mom had sewn little bells into the ruffle layers. And it gave me so much joy to move around in that dress because I loved ringing like a little bell as I moved around.
Well, that's a good memory. Yeah. Wow. That's really sweet.
I have a lot of pretty strong memories actually of like my early childhood on the west side of St. Paul. We lived in a very old house in Anne Hill and Morton Street in St. Paul.
And I spent a lot of time in this one like wicker rocking chair listening to records when I was little. And I would sit on this chair with my feet up and I would stare at the album covers while I would listen to the music. And I would just, I don't know, sort of like fantasize about these people or their lives and Abba was huge for me. So my, one of my favorites was Abba.
Just staring, but you could probably remember the color scheme. Oh, the cover is like imprinted in me. I loved the fashion so much. It's like I loved fashion from when I was just really young.
There was a Beatles greatest hits record that I had where they were all wearing brown turtlenecks and brown suede jackets. Wow. Well, monochromatic. You do remember that.
I do. I do remember that. And I just, like you said, I stared at it and I had this, I remember being at my grandparents house in New Jersey, New Providence, New Jersey, made a little house on the book. It was right on this very toxic river.
Maybe not a day. I actually killed my grandparents. Oh, God. They both died of environmental cancers, but very young.
And, but, uh... Your grandparents both died of environmental cancers. Yeah. Yeah.
And they grew, and they had this house in New Jersey that was right on this very polluted river. Mm. But I remember sitting in their living room and putting on this big pair of headphones. It was just a huge pair of headphones and listening to Elton John and the Beatles.
We had birds too. My mom had birds for pets. Yeah, she had a dove. She had a beautiful white dove that never got a name other than just dove.
And she... Dove is a beautiful name. Yeah, why not dove, actually, right? And she would hold this dove in her hands and coo to it.
She would sing like a dove to it and they would sing to each other and it would sit on her shoulder while she was painting. She was an artist. She would paint and we had a really nice studio in the back of the house. And this dove was just really unique and special.
It was like my mom's... They were buds. They were buds. And it lived extremely long.
I have to confirm with my mom, but that dove lived a very, very long life. She just did a guitar behind that whole dove. Can you do a doves coo? Oh, no.
It's a... It's great. It's really beautiful. It's this beautiful hollow.
Try it. It's got a little bit of a trill. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's beautiful.
I'm not a good... I don't imitate anything. My mom was also a really good whistler, which is also a big part of an 80s childhood because when you're little in the 80s, your parents whistle to come to tell you it's dinnertime. My dad was a really good whistler too.
I think my dad was a whistle. I think my dad was a whistle. He, my dad, because we would just open up the door in the morning and let our dog go. It was a really great 70s thing.
It was just dog wild dogs. Dogs. Open the dog would come back soaked in blood. Oh my God.
Sometimes skunked. I mean, the dog had... It would come back like, hap so happy. And it just...
Because we lived near a railroad track and these fairly large tract of wooded land, you know, like forest. So the dog would just take off and then would come home just like... My dad would have to sit. He would whistle just this really powerful, powerful whistle.
Wow. The dog would come running back covered in burrs and like sticks in it's fur. I mean, just like... Happy is the clam right.
Just weird about dog go all day. Oh my God. It was coming the best time. But I could never whistle and I still...
Because it's actually blowing out. Like it's like, I have a really hard time doing that. But I can whistle and I can whistle by sucking. You can reverse whistle.
I suck. I suck air into whistle. But my dad was just, you know, pure projection and beautiful. My dad actually has a very good voice.
He's actually... He is quite musical. He really did love music and he sang a lot when I was a kid and he has a really nice voice. And Church...
I don't know what I'm saying. We were men for each other. Chorus ends above. We were men for each other.
To have to hold man to love. Do do do do – what you're gonna do. That was a John Marlowe in 1957. church he would really like bust it out.
Because he would like you know he was raised in Roman Catholic churches, went to a Roman Catholic high school, knew I mean he was a good Catholic boy you know and he when those he would really dig into the hymns. Oh I love a good hymn. Yeah and he really he had us there was a there was a quality to his voice that he was there was a proud quality. I could see that.
He felt very and he was able to carry it soon. He knew he could sing. Yeah. We he never learned to play guitar but he always had one lying around the house because I think there was always this aspiration maybe he would pick it up maybe just someday he would pick it up and become Glen Campbell because I would be Glen Campbell was the he was the he was this iconic figure like he looked pretty much the same age range as my father and my uncles and they looked like him.
They have the same haircut you know that's sort of kind of thick comb over. Thick comb over it wasn't too long and actually stayed above the ears for a pretty long time like they didn't it didn't really descend into the eyebrow right. Yeah never and they kept the ears going but it would the hair was getting thicker as the as the 60s and when the 70s progressed but the hair didn't really start touching the ears until the early 70s I would say. Did your parents listen to Glen Campbell?
We did we had Glen Campbell records and they sounded incredible. They sounded so beautiful like songs like Galveston Wichita Lineman. It's no one that you do is always open a new path. It's for you to walk.
That's on. Oh you make me cry. Leave me sleeping bag rolled up in stash behind your couch. His voice makes me cry.
It's God damn Glen Campbell. Gentle on my mind. I can't that's on. Oh God.
Not making me tingle thinking. I do. I feel that. The guitar is so beautiful in it too.
It's like he was he was a studio guitar player. When he started he was primarily a guitar player he played on all kinds of 70s hits. I mean excuse me 60s hits like beautiful be all the amazing monkeys records and I think he probably played on beach. He was part of this crew of people that made cool.
I didn't know that. That churned out pop music in the early 60s. He decided to go solo and sing and one of the really cool things about him was that he which wasn't unusual but he was sort of unusual at the time because in the 60s that's when people started to be known for writing their own songs. The Beatles really ushered that era in but classically or traditionally singers find songs.
They don't write them necessarily. It's not there. They are the vehicle for the song. I think Reba McIntyre once said that I do the singing.
I leave the song writing up to the experts or something. He was like some Peter McIntyre. Glen picked he really looked and found songs that he loved and that he wanted to and it was like back then choosing the songs that you play was almost like a political statement as well because he did a song like Alveston which was about the Vietnam experience of a young man in Vietnam wanting to go home to Galveston and it's a very intense song. He really shows things he made cool selections for his material.
He also had a prime time television show that I was obsessed with. Really? Yes. Well was it?
The Glen Campbell Good Time Hour. I have some of the DVDs I bought. I mean they're like absolutely sliced these time capsules much like the Johnny Cash shows from that time period. But he would bring, have musical guests do amazing duets sing live versions of his hit songs and he looked fucking awesome.
All corduroy and fucking turtlenecks and vests and like perfect hair and cool ass fucking brown boots. Great dance numbers with like you know just choreographed with these young women dancing their hearts out and yeah it was like the Good Time Hour. That sounds like a great time. Oh yeah.
Well what a thing to see. I love the see that's a memory. You have like a strong memory from your childhood. It might look differently than mine but it doesn't I like I said I really honestly it has almost no color to it but that doesn't but it does have feeling.
It has like feeling like I feel my heart beat start increasing. I feel I feel it in my body. I feel I feel tingling. I feel kind of like like remembering how I mean because when I hear something good when I hear something that I like my whole I just break out and and you goose pimples and you feel it your whole body feel it.
I mean it's like it just spreads and my hair stands on end and I can just you know if you that's how you described the OCs to me you said that that band made you feel crazy and that you just I think you said like just tingling and I just fire. I just I they truly made me feel like I was it was the most wonderful fire to be. They go the most wonderful flames were engulfing me because they just everything because it's a retro sound they have they do have a retro sound but it's also very modern I just it's like oh my god I can't then we had an incredibly fun experience getting to stand side stage at Coachella 2013 for the OCs and I got to watch you watch them and that that right there was 100% joy you looked like a child you know probably seeing Glen Campbell good time hour you looked so happy just stars in your eyes maybe we should wrap up episode five this will be our finest episode today because it's my favorite. Give me all your raw impression your words your memory you may all your raw impression your memory.
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