After April's $606 Million in DeFi Hacks, What's the Fair Value Yield Rate? episode artwork

EPISODE · May 3, 2026 · 1H 6M

After April's $606 Million in DeFi Hacks, What's the Fair Value Yield Rate?

from Unchained · host Laura Shin

$606 million in DeFi exploits in one month. Two of the space's sharpest risk thinkers debate whether lenders are being paid anywhere close to enough. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsors! Coinbase One 20% off first year of annual plan + $50 Bitcoin bonus. Offer valid until May 31. coinbase.com/unchained Citrea Bitcoin changed how money works. Satya changes how Bitcoin scales. citrea.xyz/unchained ======================================================== One month, $606 million in exploits. And yet DeFi lending yields for blue-chip collateral sit close to SOFR, as if nothing happened.  Tom Dunleavy, head of venture at Varys Capital, did the math and concluded that fair risk-adjusted DeFi yields should sit around 12.5%. Adrian Cachinero Vasiljevic, co-founder of Steakhouse Financial, thinks that number paints with too broad a brush, and that for the right primitives, with the right collateral, the market rate might actually be close to correct.  Host Laura Shin queries them on the TradFi equations that underpin the debate, the DeFi-specific risks that those equations miss, and on whether depositors are sleepwalking into tail risk they cannot fully see. Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained Guests: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Tom Dunleavy, Head of Venture, Varys Capital — @dunleavy89 Adrian Cachinero Vasiljevic, Co-Founder, Steakhouse Financial — @adcv_ Timestamps 🔥 01:14 How Tom and Adrian are rethink yield rates after $606M worth of DeFi hacks in one month 📊 08:46 How TradFi prices risk, and why the same framework still applies to DeFi ⚠️ 13:54 The DeFi-specific risks TradFi can't model: hacks, oracles, governance, exotic collateral 🔢 18:20 Adrian on why loss-given-default in DeFi is 'almost total', and what that changes 🤝 23:52 Where Tom and Adrian actually disagree: resolution, not structure 📉 32:34 Luca Prosperi's additions: continuous collateral observation, liquidation timing, legal process 💬 41:49 Dan Robinson's pushback: if risk is mispriced, shouldn't demand fix it? 🏗️ 53:59 RWAs as collateral: why non-crypto-native assets may be the most dangerous mismatch 🔭 57:19 Which protocols actually reduce the risk premium, and how to think about the rest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

$606 million in DeFi exploits in one month. Two of the space's sharpest risk thinkers debate whether lenders are being paid anywhere close to enough. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsors! Coinbase One 20% off first year of annual plan + $50 Bitcoin bonus. Offer valid until May 31. coinbase.com/unchained Citrea Bitcoin changed how money works. Satya changes how Bitcoin scales. citrea.xyz/unchained ======================================================== One month, $606 million in exploits. And yet DeFi lending yields for blue-chip collateral sit close to SOFR, as if nothing happened.  Tom Dunleavy, head of venture at Varys Capital, did the math and concluded that fair risk-adjusted DeFi yields should sit around 12.5%. Adrian Cachinero Vasiljevic, co-founder of Steakhouse Financial, thinks that number paints with too broad a brush, and that for the right primitives, with the right collateral, the market rate might actually be close to correct.  Host Laura Shin queries them on the TradFi equations that underpin the debate, the DeFi-specific risks that those equations miss, and on whether depositors are sleepwalking into tail risk they cannot fully see. Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained Guests: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Tom Dunleavy, Head of Venture, Varys Capital — @dunleavy89 Adrian Cachinero Vasiljevic, Co-Founder, Steakhouse Financial — @adcv_ Timestamps 🔥 01:14 How Tom and Adrian are rethink yield rates after $606M worth of DeFi hacks in one month 📊 08:46 How TradFi prices risk, and why the same framework still applies to DeFi ⚠️ 13:54 The DeFi-specific risks TradFi can't model: hacks, oracles, governance, exotic collateral 🔢 18:20 Adrian on why loss-given-default in DeFi is 'almost total', and what that changes 🤝 23:52 Where Tom and Adrian actually disagree: resolution, not structure 📉 32:34 Luca Prosperi's additions: continuous collateral observation, liquidation timing, legal process 💬 41:49 Dan Robinson's pushback: if risk is mispriced, shouldn't demand fix it? 🏗️ 53:59 RWAs as collateral: why non-crypto-native assets may be the most dangerous mismatch 🔭 57:19 Which protocols actually reduce the risk premium, and how to think about the rest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

NOW PLAYING

After April's $606 Million in DeFi Hacks, What's the Fair Value Yield Rate?

0:00 1:06:49

No transcript for this episode yet

We transcribe on demand. Request one and we'll notify you when it's ready — usually under 10 minutes.

Unshamed & Unchained: Carving Space For Self-Healing & Habit Transformation Danny Poelman Welcome to "Unshamed & Unchained: Carving Space For Self-Healing & Habit Transformation", the podcast where we break the chains of shame and societal expectations to create a safe space for self-healing, habit transformation, and personal growth. Hosted by a seasoned life coach, Danny Poelman DDS, with years of hands-on experience, this podcast is your guide to reclaiming your voice, embracing your story, and living life on your terms.In each episode, we dive deep into the topics that matter most to you—whether it's:-breaking free from unwanted habits like pornography-excessive people-pleasing-healing from past trauma-recovering from narcissistic abuse or religious/relational trauma-anxiety/depression-money mindset blocks-overcoming limiting beliefsWe’re not afraid to talk about the things that are often considered taboo, because we believe that through honest, unfiltered conversations, real transformation happens.You’ll hear real INDIÉ LÖVE, FÖR RÉAL EUGKEN Btw INDIE LOVE, FOR REAL is a heartfelt, genre-blending track that captures the raw, unfiltered essence of independent love—pure, intentional, and unchained by mainstream expectations. With mellow instrumentals and emotionally charged vocals, the song paints a vivid picture of love that’s authentic and uncompromising.Songwriter: Eugene MgonyaProducer: Rosco Beats Interchain.FM Chjango Unchained Interchain.FM is the Cosmos Radio Station which shines a light on the protocols that solve the hardest problems in Web3. It's a technical podcast that uncovers the vibrant world of bleeding edge technology built in the pursuit of anti-censorship, freedom, and preserving the privacy of the sovereign individual. Become an Interchain.FM🥩 staker on Osmosis, Comdex, and Umee! The Unchained Mind Alex Rudnicka Welcome to The Unchained Mind, where we dive into the power of mindset for entrepreneurs. Join us as we explore the art of creating your own reality through the limitless potential of your mind. Unshackle yourself from limiting beliefs and unlock the keys to entrepreneurial success with simple mindset strategies that help you create your reality using the power of your mind.

Frequently Asked Questions

How long is this episode of Unchained?

This episode is 1 hour and 6 minutes long.

When was this Unchained episode published?

This episode was published on May 3, 2026.

What is this episode about?

$606 million in DeFi exploits in one month. Two of the space's sharpest risk thinkers debate whether lenders are being paid anywhere close to enough. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsors! Coinbase...

Can I download this Unchained episode?

Yes, you can download this episode by clicking the download button on the episode player, or subscribe to the podcast in your preferred podcast app for automatic downloads.
URL copied to clipboard!