Agents, DeFi and the Cost of Hype w/ Gerrit Hall

Rex sits down with Gerrit Hall for a wide-ranging conversation about what AI agents can actually do today, and where the hype is outrunning reality. They get into sandboxing and Dockerized workflows, why OpenClaw feels more interesting in theory than in practice, and what “always-on” agents may actually be useful for. From there, they zoom out to the economics of Claude and Codex, the weirdness of model pricing and quotas, and the uncomfortable sense that we are still in the early, fragile phase of this tooling. They also spend time on DeFi, security, and why so much of today’s crypto experimentation feels less like a finished financial system and more like a proving ground for institutions.