AI Might Eat the Entire Economy| John Loeber

John Loeber joins MTS to discuss the rising unofficial licensing regime for frontier models, the strategic shift toward economic internalization by AI labs, and why global competition from Chinese tech giants shapes the safety trade-off.--https://x.com/johnloeber--MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens.Follow MTS: X | ⁠https://twitter.com/MTSlive⁠YouTube | ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation⁠Spotify | ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM⁠ Apple | ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763⁠ Substack | ⁠https://mtslive.substack.com/⁠Interested in sponsoring the show? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠--Brought to you by:Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at ⁠https://neon.com/mts⁠ElevenLabs -  AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. http://elevenlabs.io/mtsKong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.comBlitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.comMerge - OpenAI, Dropbox, and Ramp use Merge to get AI to production faster. https://merge.dev/mtsAdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.comMacroscope - AI codebase understanding for engineering leaders. https://macroscope.com/mts--Timestamps:(00:00) Introduction(01:40) Unofficial Licensing Regimes(03:49) Defining Internalization vs Externalization(11:00) Unintended Policy Consequences(14:18) Geopolitical Safety Trade-Offs(18:39) Big Tech Inertia(26:57) Outro--Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.