It is official. Anthropic has rolled out and announced new rate limits. Basically, how much you can use the AI platform because of a specific tool and because of a specific type of person potentially abusing their whole system. Now, today on the podcast, I want to talk about the anthropic rate limits, what this means for other companies, because I don't think anthropics, the only one that has to do this, I'm going to talk about why they have these rate limits, what the rate limits are, where I think this is going in the future and are rate limits even going to be a thing in the future?
Or are we eventually just going to get to I'm a limited free compute? All right, we're going to get into all of that on the podcast today. Before we want, we do, I wanted to mention if you ever wanted to use all of the top AI models that I mentioned on the podcast, I love for you to try out my platform, which is called AI box dot AI, essentially allows you to try the top 40 different AI models, all on one platform, anthropic Google, Gemini, rock, open AI, everything for just $20 a month. So you don't have to have subscriptions to every single platform.
There's also the ability for you to compare results side by side from different AI models and the ability for you to have a media storage that shows you everything you've ever generated in the past, the prompt to use to generate it and help you get back to the prompt and the chat that you had to be in. Okay, so that's cool. But let's get into what is going on with anthropic starting with a tweet that they put out that says, quote, we're rolling out new fresh or new weekly rate limits for Cloud Pro and max in late of August. So it's not right now, but coming soon, we estimate you'll, they'll apply to less than five percent of subscribers based on current usage.
Basically, the big thing that I think is important is it's like, okay, look, this is only going to apply to like five percent of our subscribers based off of what they're seeing. But the other thing that I do think is important is as more and more people are trying this, more and more people are getting familiar with these tools, I think like give it a month or two months and that number would have been 10% or 15% or 20% right because people are using it more and more. And so I think that maybe it's five percent of subscribers today, but like by the time this rolls out at the end of the month, it could be an impact and a little bit more. Anyways, all this to say, the five percent, I don't think is as small as you think, it'll get bigger.
But anyways, this is what they said specifically, blog code. So Cloud Code for those who are unaware is basically anthropic coding platform. It ties into your code base. I use it AI box.
It ties into our backend and our front end. We tell it how, you know, we like it to code something. It looks at all of our code precedent. So it designs things that look similar to our current design styles, which basically, if I'm being a hundred percent honest, have replaced our designer over AI box with this because it's able to help a lot with the code.
Now you do need, in my opinion, a talented coder to help give it directions and to understand what's going on, you have to understand the code base, you're prompting against the backend and the front end and everything else. But basically, if you understand what you're doing, you can get a 10x on what you're able to do with Cloud Code as a developer. So they said that Cloud Code has seen unprecedented demand. They said, especially as part of our max plans, basically, so this is the other thing with it.
I was spending over at AI box. We were spending like $100 every couple days because we're just using getting so much usage out of Cloud Code. And then they unveiled this thing called the max plan, which was basically unlimited usage for $200 a month. Who could say no?
We're already spending so much money every few days that we're like, yeah, for like, this is a no brainer. So we signed up for that. So we're just going to be able to get a ton of money. Now, evidently, all the money we saved, they're not happy about.
And they said, we'll continue to support this growth while we work on making Cloud Code even better. But for now, we need to make some changes. Some of the biggest Cloud Code fans are running it continuously in the backend 24. All right.
I have an example of one part is doing this. They said these are remarkable and we want to enable them, but few outline cases are very costly to support. For example, one user consumed tens of thousands of model usage on a $200 plan, right? So you're spending 30 grand getting 30 grand with a compute for $20.
I thought, you know, we were probably saving a couple thousand dollars a month going from like from 2000 to 200. And I'm thrilled. Well, it sounds like there's people going from 20,000 or 40,000 to 200. So evidently, this isn't profitable for them.
And I know we can all complain about that in particular. It's profits profit. Again, believe 40 grand a month. All right.
They said in other cases, a small number of users are violating our users policies by sharing and reselling accounts. This impacts capability for all cloud users and we're taking a proper action. So, okay, this one makes perfect sense. Obviously, if you're getting an account for 200 bucks and selling to a ton of people.
So a ton of people can use it all once. That should be against the rules. You got to use an API if you want to resell their stuff and this is for individual users. So I'm not really.
I'm not mad about that. It makes perfect business sense. I said from August 28, we'll introduce new weekly limits. So this is a new thing that they're having.
They basically had some limits in the past. And while some people are complaining about this, I'm honestly just happy that they're clarified what this, what like what the rate limits are because up until now, it's been very opaque and hard to even understand. So they're now going to have these new weekly limits before they just kind of had, I believe like hourly limits or total limits or monthly limits. Now it's weekly.
They say that will mitigate these problems while impacting as you guys are as possible. We'll also support max plan users by by additional usage at standard API rates if they choose to. Okay. Now, this is the part that gets a little bit crazy and is reminding a lot of people basically the drama that happened with cursor earlier in the month where they had a similar kind of like unlimited plan.
Cursor was in my opinion and they apologized, but I think it was shady. They switched so that basically if you had a credit card on file with cursor, you had their unlimited plan, they like switched without really telling a lot of people so that they didn't have an unlimited plan anymore, right? It was rate limited. But if you went over the rate limits, they automatically build you for the extra usage, which I'm like, come on, you got to get people warning.
You have to opt in. So people were just like waking up at the end of the month and they had like a $2,000 cursor bill when they're on the $20 month plan and they're like, uh, what? So basically, I'm hoping I'm throwing up a candle that better because it says if they choose to, so it seems like this is an opt in thing, right? Basically it's going to say you've reached your weekly limit.
Do I just use like the API and continue, but you're going to have to like pay Alucart for your usage? I think a lot of people are going to say yes, because basically as of last month, I was spending, you know, thousands of dollars, a hundred bucks every, every, uh, every few days. I mean, it does make sense and hopefully it's not going to be expensive. And hopefully it's like, you don't hit that rate limit maybe every day or all the time.
It's just at times when you have like a big project or a big deadline or a big push and you're really cranking on usage, then you could go over a little bit and make it happen without, because what's the alternative is to like make multiple cloud code accounts. So you don't really want to have to like max out one account, switch the next account, max out that account, switch the next, it seems a little ridiculous if you could, if you could, you know, make it all on the same account. All right. Then they said, and this seems like the final kind of like backpedal where they're like, look guys, I mean, we're just figuring stuff out.
They said, we're still exploring the best ways to ensure as broad access as possible cloud code. If you're a power user who has feedback on how we can support your specific use case of cloud code, we love to hear from you. I mean, they're kind of leaving the door open, but basically if you're using it and using it and using it and saying it out of money, I don't think I can just continue to give it to you in a box. All right.
So what are the responses that people are giving? First of all, I think you can imagine, and I'm going to break down the exact actual rate limits, but first I want to go on a couple of funny posts on Twitter. If you're on Spotify or YouTube, you can see me sharing my screen on all of this, but otherwise I'll explain top comment on this. Someone says towards intelligence too cheap to meter.
I mean, and there's a smoke away who think I could post if you're not following already on Twitter, but I mean, basically the concept here is like everyone keeps saying, you know, eventually the AI is going to be so cheap, we're going to have so many data centers. It's going to be so smart. It's unlimited intelligence and it's so cheap. It's basically free.
I just kind of a promise that we've heard from a lot of people, Sam Altman, like scaling up so we can make everything cheaper allegedly, but we are getting to this point where things are just getting more and more expensive and you're also getting more rate limits and so people kind of complain. But in any case, someone has a picture of a cat who is pondering and says, we had a good run. It is true. Like for those that were getting $40,000 worth of compute or $200 a month and they're complaining now, you got to go to run.
I hope you enjoyed it. Now, this is an example of someone that actually was doing the 24 seven cloud code run. So it's McKay Riggly. He said, he said about that and he basically re shared one of his projects that he had posted earlier this month.
He said, so I gave cloud code a Mac mini and it's called Claude pewter. It runs 24 seven and it's allowed to do whatever it wants. It's in complete control of the computer. Has a two minute demo where it's just like running and iterating on tons of things, it's trying tons of different projects.
Basically, he's one of those use cases, potentially. I'm not sure like how much co he's actually spitting out or how hard he can push it, but basically it's running 24 seven. So he is one of those 24 seven examples. And I think he gets a place in the in the books or legendary.
Someone said, and of course, everyone is suddenly going to be in that 5%. Right. So that's kind of what I was getting out at the beginning was they say it's only an effect 5% of users and I'm like, and somehow everybody's in the top 5% congratulations. You guys are all incredible and cracked.
Um, someone said rug pulls are weekly occurrence now about that. I was hilarious. Also, I love, I love complaining about this because like people are getting so much bang for your buck. So I love to call it a rug pull is I'm literally like getting thousands of dollars of usage for 200 bucks a month.
Um, I think it's kind of funny. Also, especially because it's not like a permit rate limit. You can pay more. You can pay the regular API price if you want more.
Anyways, someone had a post that says it, but the sign said, all you can eat. And it's picture of Homer Simpson getting dragged out of it. I think about that's hilarious. Yeah.
Uh, all you can eat. Well, turns out some people eat too much. So we are putting some limits on it. All right.
I think that's pretty funny for the, for the reactions. I wanted to get into some of the specific rate limits that are actually happening and what that actually entails. So based off of this whole announcement, anthropic has a status page that shows, okay, so another reason why I believe this happening, there's a status page over the anthropic has, and it's basically showing the outages. And you can also see that based off of the last, um, I think the last seven times that cloud code had an outage, the last seven times were literally in the last month.
So they've had seven outages in the last month. Obviously this thing is getting run up to quite a high degree. So it's, you know, they, they felt like they had to do something about this. All right.
What are the actual limits? Okay. I'm gonna comment on the story, basically, and they said that most pro users can expect to get about 20 to 40 hours of Sonic 4. Sonic 4 isn't necessarily their best.
So 40 to 80 hours. That's their weekly limit, which sounds like a lot. Um, and that is just pro users. And of course they're using like a lower model because it's a lower tier, the pro users.
Okay. But what are the, really what I'm interested in is the max because that's the plan that I'm on. But I guess everyone has different plans. I'll just shut them all out.
Um, if you're on their $100 a month max plan, you can get 40, 140 to 280 hours of Sonic, but that's not what people care about. People really care about the opus 4, I think a lot because that's technically the best model. Some people say it doesn't code is good, whatever. I won't get into the argument there.
But basically their top model, you get 15 to 35 hours a week of opus pro. Now, if you're working 40 hours a week, you can almost use it the whole time. Almost all the 15 to 35 is kind of a big range. And so if it's the 15 end of the 40 hours, you're kind of doomed.
Um, also we know that coders do not work 40 hours a week. They work 80 because they're crazy. Um, but also if you are on their two, but that's a $100 a month plan. Okay.
If you're on the $200 a month plan, max plan, which is what our company Aibox has for our developers, you get about 240 to 480 hours of Sonic 4, but more importantly, you get 24 to 40 hours of opus 4. So basically you get 40 hours technically. Um, and I suspect we'll be buying the API additional credits for a bunch of our developers that want to do more than 40 hours, um, or 24 hours. I mean, really, it depends how much code you're spitting out.
But in any case, the company has noted that usage is also going to vary based off of your code base size and other factors, right? So if you have a small code base, much faster, big code base, big context windows that is taking in and out data. So it's going to cause you a lot more. I have a bad feeling that Aibox's massive code base is going to doom us into the big code base bucket, but whatever.
Um, it's also not super clear how anthropic is measuring their usage, right? So they claim that $200 a month plan has about 20 X more usage than the pro plan. They're also seen in hours, but they're getting really wide ranges of hours. This isn't very clear.
It's not like an X amount of tokens. They're like, look, you get 40 hours. It's like, bro, like what? 40 hours, like some lacks developer that gets, runs a couple prompts every once every year and there to, you know, just get a little supplemental help.
Is that 40 hours or is it the dude that's like rewrite this entire feature in this entire page? No, make it like this, add this thing, like huge things. And right. And this is kind of what I think what's exciting about clubs that you can do those big changes.
So I think the hourly thing is still quite opaque. But based off of the updated figures now, because so they said that, you know, anthropic basically claimed that the $200 a month plan had 20 times more usage on the pro plan, right? Just their basic paid plan for people. But based off of the updated numbers, they just shared subscribers now get only about six times as many cloud code hours as pro user.
So they basically scale it back, but they haven't updated the fact that they said you get 20 X, now you only get six X, which is still a lot more. But in any case, I think they're intentionally opaque. They're measuring things in hours instead of in tokens because they're trying to figure out where they're profitable and how much people have used them or complain as they rate limit them. In any case, I think this is very interesting.
They're going to be not the first person that is making these big updates. We've had, like I mentioned, Kurser did this and they had a bunch of drama about it. They apologize. We also had a replica of some similar pricing changes.
So it seems like people are all it seems like this is kind of an industry trend. And I think we're going to see a lot more companies as it becomes less and less profitable. Companies are going to try to thread the needle of not making too many of their users upset, becoming profitable. You also could use like, you know, a basically a user that has a $200 month plan, but maybe only uses $100 worth of credits.
They're, you know, they're offsetting the loss of someone that might be using like $250 worth of credits a month. And so I think anthropic wants to have as many users as possible. They don't want to like curb stomp all of the hopes and dreams of their power users either because of those people go other places, you know, it just makes their whole ecosystem get used less. So they like, they want to keep as many users, but also they have to make money.
So it's going to be interesting to see where they had to see where this all shakes out. Thank you so much for tuning into the podcast. I hope you learned something new and hope this was insightful and gave you some good feedback from the community and feedback from exactly what anthropic is actually doing. Thanks so much for tuning in.
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