In the dead of night, as people sleep, that's when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three, dark things take power. We like to call it the supernatural hour. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for the supernatural hour.
I am your host, the holy goblin, Castle, and with me, the bearded one. And that's what I was blessed with. We are two thirds of the goblin godhead, apparently, according to the boys over at Radio Ronan. It is Castle and Beaker, aka Tim, and why is my microphone so quiet?
Can you hear me okay? You're fine. You should do it. I just eat your microphone.
I need to eat the microphone. Hey, welcome back to another episode. We are going to do our part two of kind of what we did last time. We actually did it in 10th for the last show to be a two part show.
What had happened? We were at a time. So we're going to do aliens. So if you're all 100% ghost, we're going to do aliens.
We're actually not going to do aliens. We're going to talk about aliens. Last week you were saying, aliens. You were saying we were aliens.
Yeah. We're talking about aliens. So we're going to talk a little bit about different alien races today. There's the pod race on Tatooine.
Yes, I was trying to think those were called something else. I guess those were pod races weren't they? Yeah, they were pod races. And they technically involved aliens.
You know, I actually thought that was like the worst moment of Star Wars until that last abomination came out. Which one? Because there's only three Star Wars movies. The abomination known as the last Jedi, I think it is.
I'm having my mind blocked. I was like blocked by my... Yeah. Rumor has it J.A.
Abrams and George are working really hard to fix the next one. Rumor has it that I hope that I read and Johnson ends up in a shallow grave in the West Desert. Oh, why should I say things like that? Yeah, well, come over here.
So you're fine. Yeah, that's probably right. I mean we're big but not that big. We are going to talk about our Fear Factory investigation.
Tim, talk about it. Okay, so I realized last time I did not mention the date of the investigation. I just said it's in the end of March. So we are doing Fear Factory March 30th, start time of 9pm.
We asked people that buy tickets to be there about 83845. Yeah, and you can get those tickets at events, Purnible.com. Just click the link and it'll take you through Fear Factory. It's one of our favorite venues.
We've been there numerous times. That's where they have the Hell Silo. If you've seen Ghost Adventures, they talked about it on there. Allegedly, somebody was in their screen around with a Satanic Bible.
Supposedly Con drink stuff. Do you want me to ruin it for them? I can. Yeah, go ahead, Riddo.
I'm actually a meta manager that works at Fear Factory at the bar a couple years back after that episode. And we did find the book on one of our investigations. It's not a book of Satan. It's not a satanic book.
It's just like a medical journal. So he wasn't actually reading out of a satan book on the show. Yeah, well we've kind of come to the conclusion based on our investigations that Ghost Adventures with Zach Baggins is not the most... Incredible.
Yeah, it's what I'm looking for. I think we're different than a word, but that'll work. We've been to a few locations they've been to and they've actually requested EVPs in advance. I think all the shows do that and we've hit on it before and some of our guests that we've had before as well hit on it.
Because when you got out and you investigate, you could sit there for four or five hours and maybe a one piece of evidence. And the whole point of these shows is to entertain you. So if they're going to show you someone sitting around talking to themselves for an hour without anything happening, who's going to watch that? You know what's interesting about that though is we had John Zappas on here from the Honda Collector and Brian Kannell from the Honda Collector.
And actually kind of put the screws to John Zappas when I was taking him from the hotel here to our studio and back. And that's actually one of the reasons that our show only went for three seasons is John Zappas would get into quite a bit of producers that he refused to allow them to tweak evidence and to basically mess with the authenticity of the show. So they went the rounds with the producers on wanting them to fabricate evidence and they just wouldn't do it. So I actually like that show because again it's a little more credible especially based on talking here in the horse's mouth.
And John Zappas, for everybody who's spending time with John Zappas is not on TV. When you ask about Honda Collector and the producers there's a lot of F-words involved. Oh yeah. A lot of F-words involved.
Well just in general, I mean he drops F-words like it's going out of style. He's a really cool guy. He's fun to get to know. He's fun to hang out with three of the X-Men that he was here for last year.
But that's the favorite one there. Come to our Fear Factory investigation. Tickets are $50. Yeah and again that's actually pretty cheap for Fear Factory.
They charge kind of a premium for us to go there and so a lot of that is going to the Fear Factory and not us. But that's a place where we've had a lot of EVPs. I had my head touched. We heard footprints walking through the hill silo.
What are some of the experiences you've had there Tim? Well I was only there the one time and there was something I caught in a photo that I thought was an apparition and then I was actually able to debunk it as just a Halloween decoration that was on the... Because I was taking a picture of the whole... I was standing on a platform that was above the entire maze for the haunted house and they had this witch or something that would come down and scare people and that's what it actually was but from where I was standing it looked like an apparition.
Yeah it's a huge venue too. It's got the catacombs underneath. We talked about the footbridge I think on the last episode that goes right over the top of the menu. Yeah that bridge I don't refuse to go across.
Anyway again that's parable.com. Get your tickets. We look forward to seeing you guys there. As always we try to keep our group small enough that we don't compromise the venue.
That'll be 200 people there. So Stone of the Week. Tim let's talk Stone of the Week. Okay this week I picked the Stone that kind of started me on my path towards becoming an energy healer.
And this Stone, I've told the story before how I came across this particular Stone and just the events that happened that day, everything just fell in place. I'm not going to get too much of the story but I'm going to talk about the Stone that I found that it started me on my whole journey to becoming an energy worker. And that is Muqite. It's also called Austro-Gang and Jasper.
And it is a powerful healing Stone that helps provide stability to one's perspective of life. It helps make the right decision based on objective knowledge. Muqite can I call that the Cal Stone? No.
Do they have Cal's and Australia? I don't know. Do they have Cal's and Australia? Have you ever seen the Man from server?
No. It's all Australian Cal-Wrenching. I'm not as old as you. I'm sure there's Cal's everywhere.
Muqite connects one to the energy of the Earth allowing for a deeper connection to the... I'm sorry. I can read. We've been over this on the shows before.
I'm terrible at reading. Apparently. See it's allowing for a deeper connection to the eternal instinct of the spirit and human form. Working with Muqite during meditation can help to connect with ancestors' spirits.
Bringing an intuitive understanding of the natural evolution of the spirit. Muqite balances the root of solar plexus and the third eye chakras and can improve the energy, the flow of energy between the chakras. One can use Muqite to access genetic memory to help awaken all of one's abilities. Muqite encourages you to take control of your destiny and shoot for the stars.
It's medicine reminds us that we are the CEO of our own lives and are making executive decisions. The Muqite Crystal Stone meaning has long been associated with royalty, particularly during medieval times. In fact, a polished Muqite stone was set in gold. Set in gold was the favorite bling among lords and ladies from the days of old.
Its meaning can be traced back as far as the salt sentry to the life and times of dramatic mystic and healer. Hildegard of Bingen. I probably said that wrong, but that's what I'm going with. Hirtonic for easing insomnia and nervous tension was simple but legendary.
It's a Muqite Crystal Stone soaked in wine. More recently, the Muqite is a favorite to include in healing layouts because it represents the Earth element. Making it a stable and grounding complement to other stones. And Tailing properties are known to help sharpen your intuition, which is the language of your soul, a wise inner voice that has the ability to just know.
The Muqite Crystal reawakens your inner spirit, the sensible part of yourself that always knows the way towards the light, especially when you're guided by love. The powerful grounding energy of the Muqite Crystal guides us towards making choices that reflect our hopes, not our fears. And remember, big decisions are the catalyst for action and your chance to channel the playful spontaneity of carbideum. Did you say it was an Australian stone?
Yes, it is. I'm not trying to debunk your stone here, but if it's an Australian stone, how did they use it medieval times? Very simple. They just did.
Very well. Well, Australia was a prison colony for England, just so you know. Yeah, I just thought it was a little bit newer than me. I don't know.
I thought it was a part after. You know what, when I researched, it tells me. And so this is what I'm going with. You do have a fancy piece of Muqite that I broke and gave to you.
I mean, a piece of Muqite that I gave to you. I was going to ask what Muqite looked like and I didn't realize that was Muqite. That Crystal skull that I gave to you is Muqite. Yours looks really cool.
Mine is also skull. Mine is just a dark red. It has little specks of the yellow throughout it. Yours is more yellow, but the reason why I bought that one is how it looked was kind of cool because it had red.
Around the eyes. They kind of make it look like it's wearing a blindfold or a bandana. Yeah, it's pretty neat looking little Muqite skull. Anyway, yeah, I just thought it was kind of interesting as you read.
I thought I think your source doesn't understand history. Maybe not, but it is definitely an ostrich. Still does what it does. It is an Australian Jasper.
So, so Muqite ladies and gentlemen. I think we had a poll question that we're going to put up on the website. If you could say any celebrity or famous person, including politician, if you had to guess which one was an alien, who would that be? I'm going to ask you, Tim.
You're going to start with me. I'm going to start with you. Is he still alive? Dennis Rodman.
Oh, yeah. That would definitely be a good one. Yeah, I got to look here because I knew I was going to ask this question and I didn't even look up the guy who I know exactly. What about what's his face?
The creator of Scientology. Oh, Elrod Hubbard? Yeah. That is definitely an alien.
That's what the whole religion is based on. Anyways, is it connecting with your alien self? I think it is basically connecting with your higher self and paying a whole lot of money to basically move up. I got to see, I'm looking at my guy here.
I may have to. Oh, Steve Buscemi. Steve Buscemi? That guy is an alien.
He could be. If I was to say, who was an alien, Steve Buscemi is my guy. He's pretty cool though. That's mean he's not an alien.
You're right, it doesn't. You know, I could see him in Men in Black. I think he'd do good as just like a random alien. I'm going to go out on the live here and commit some blasphemy and say, we're all yankabic.
No, it's possible. I guess he's a weird guy. I actually like weirdo. A lot of his parodies.
I know people don't like parodies. I love weirdo. He's one of my favorite artists. I'm not considered an alien.
I don't know if a lot of people know this guy, but he's still like trying to run for president every year. Any promises for everybody? Roughinator. Vermin Supreme.
Who? Vermin Supreme. Look him up. He wears a big boot on his head.
Yep. He wears a big boot on his head. He would run for Congress or president or whatever. He did this for years.
I don't know if he's still doing this. But one of his main things that he had promised people is ponies for everybody. Well, if I had no idea what I would have been for him. Yeah, I would have been for him.
Yeah, I'd have no idea what I would have been for him. Yeah, I'd have no idea what I would have been for him. Yeah, you got the money to do that? No.
My little driver car. Vermin Supreme. That's what I would say. Vermin Supreme hands down from an alien from another planet.
We are going to put a poll question on the Vets Pernible Facebook page to know who you think is an alien. Bonus points, which your point is nothing, but bonus points if you post a picture of this person on the advance Pernible Facebook page. Who do you think Politician Wise or Celebrity Wise is an alien? Alright, weird paranormal news.
Humback Well found in the middle of the Amazon was left there by aliens, as Chuck claims says. A Humback Well, which was found in Amazon jungle last week, was abducted by aliens who returned it to the wrong place, conspiracy theorists have since essentially claimed. Scientists were in a shock last week when they found a carcass of Humback Well, which looks as if it was only recently died in the rainforest of South America. The 36-foot beast, which appears as if it had no winds or significant injuries on initial inspections, was only discovered on a flock of vultures or seen swooping above it.
What makes the find even more baffling is during the winter Amazon universe flowed with freshwater and wells currently surviving saltwater. Conspiracy theorists have jumped the conclusion that aliens abducted the whale to analyze it, then returned it to the wrong place. If theory is led by the prominent alien conspiracy theorist Scott C. Waring, he's the guy who had her fossil theory last podcast.
Who wrote in this blog, UFO sightings daily, wells are often taken by UFOs, analyzed and then returned. But sometimes animals are returned to location that is not hospitable to them. Apparently the alien who took this whale had no idea that they only live in water, which I find comical because if you have the technology to fly across space and interdimensionally and abduct a whale, I would think you would have to know how these go in the wet place, those go in the dry place. It doesn't really make sense to me.
I don't know, I do play video game called Ark Survival and I do like to take the birds that you can fly on and pick up dinosaurs and go drop them in the middle of the ocean. No, there you go. Just saying. Mr Waring's explaining- It could be like a hold my beer type situation.
I bet you can't drop it on dry land. Hold my beer. Hold my alien beer. All right, scientists have come up with a more logical explanation.
Biologists who are on scene who are from the Brazilian Institute, Biaco Diego, I'm just guessing I totally butcher that, believe the giant mammal, which is thought to be an infant and roughly one year old got stranded from its pod and ended up in freshwater. They're struggling to survive and ended up on shore around 15 meters away from the sea after a huge wave of teary to inland. Renata Emmon, Biaco Diego's president and marine specialist said, we are not sure how it landed here, we're guessing the creature is floating close to the shore, the tide which is pretty considerable over the past few days picked it up through inland into the main grove. Along with this astonishing feat, we are also baffled as to what Humback Well is doing on the north coast of Brazil during February because this is a very unusual occurrence.
Humback Welles are only usually seen as far as the northern Brazilian state of Bahia from August to November. They usually live much closer to Antarctica, they're feeding round. Miss Emmon continued, Humback Welles don't usually travel to the north, we have a record of one appearing in the area three years ago but it's rare. We believe this calf which we have been traveling with some other and probably got lost in the separate during the migratory cycle between continents.
So scientists are saying they think it's all legit that it basically got washed ashore after getting lost. I think Mr. Waring's explanation is far more entertaining. Yes, so I could totally see a giant wave bringing this thing in especially if it doesn't know what the hell it's doing, if it's just a baby.
Something that came to mind when you were reading this article was that during the search for Spock they dropped the humpback well in the wrong place and Scotty needs to learn how to use the beamer thing. The transport, there you go, the transport order better. Search for Spock's one where they get the humpback aisles right? Star Trek 3, the search for Spock.
That's four. Wait, no, four is the one that's three. No, three was search for Spock. Four was a way to haul up.
What were they had to do? Oh yeah. The two was Rathicon. Yeah.
And then it was search for Spock. So number four, sorry. Welcome to the Star Trek podcast folks. Hey, we're talking about aliens.
But yes, that was a, it'd be interesting to figure out how the humpback well actually got to Amazon. I really very much doubt aliens dropped it there. But I figured it'd make it. No, they definitely forgot.
They had the technology to travel billions of light years away from their home to come here and drop a whale in the wrong place. I can just see Tim's three days from now waking up in the old Pacific Ocean going, no, I go in the dry parts, but it happens. Yeah. All right, as promised, we are going to talk about alien races.
We started on it just a tiny bit last episode, but we're going to give it a fresh shot this episode and basically go into each race one by one. Were you ready, Tim? I was ready as I'll ever be. You know, I was just thinking we should hire Chandler to come on the show and mispronounce names for us.
I thought I did a pretty good job in mispronouncing names. Yeah, but it seems entertaining when he does it for some reason. Yes, I did. We do it.
We do it. We do it with so much. Well, it's because we are. It's mucks.
Twice. On Wednesday. So the first up, we went over the list last week that we had and we'll just kind of touch on each one of those real quick and by real quick, I mean not so quick. You're right there, Chief.
Yeah. Castle's got a cold and he's dying. I got the Ebola. Oh, okay.
Don't spread it. With anyone. So first up, we had the Flatts Woods Monster. This particular alien or monster.
It's like a snake puff marshmallow man in a Clansworth. Yeah, we know what we should do is like post pictures of all these, especially standing side by side to the naked men. Did you notice that? I did notice that.
Fortunately. For some reason, when they're comparing them in the height and body shape to a normal human being, all the men are naked. For some reason? And anatomically correct, I might add.
Yes, there are penises on those. Pctrons get to the men. So the fly was monster. Apparently, at 7.15 PM on September 12, 1952, two Breadward and two brothers.
Edward and Fred May. And their friend Tommy Hire said that they saw a bright object across the sky and land on the property of local farmer, Gee Bailey Fisher. A boy went to the home of Kathleen May where they told their story. A man accompanied by the three boys, local children Neil Nunnley and Ron Shaver, and West Virginia National Guardsmen Eugene Lemon went to the Fisher farm in an effort to locate whatever it was the lost boys said they'd seen.
The group reached to the top of the hill where Nunnley said they saw a pulsing red light. Lemon said she aimed a flashlight in the direction of a momentarily saw a tall, manlike figure with a round red face surrounded by a pointed hood like a shape. Apparently, descriptions varied. Then an article based on his tape recorded interviews, the Oforator, Grae Barker described the figure as approximately 10 feet tall.
With a round blood red face, a large pointed hood like shape around the face, eye-like shapes were emitted with a mid-greenish orange light and a dark black or green body. Apparently, Kathleen May described the figure as having small claw like hands, clothing like folds, and a head that resembled the ace of spades. According to the story, when the figure made a hissing sound glided towards the group, he screamed and dropped his flashlight, causing the group to run away. The group said they smelled a pungent mist and some later said they were nauseated.
The local sheriff and the deputy had been investigating reports of a crashed aircraft in the area. They searched the site for the report and monster but saw it heard and smelled nothing. According to Barker's account the next day, Ailey Stewart Jr. of the Braxton, the Democrat.
Yes, there's not a space there like there should be. He claimed to discover skin marks in the field with an old gummy deposit, which were subsequently attributed to the phone thesis groups as evidence for saucer lighting. I really don't know how to read. According to a former news editor, Holt Bryan, newspaper stories were carried throughout the country, radio broadcasts were carried on large networks, and hundreds of phone calls were received from all parts of the country.
The National Press Service rated the story number 11 for the year. A minister from Brooklyn came to question in the May family. A Pittsburgh paper, a special reporter, UFO and 49riders like Gray Baker and Ivan T. Sanderson arrived to investigate.
After investigating the case in 2000, Joel Nickel, the committee for Skeptoclin Quarry, this guy's an asshole, by the way. I'm just going to put it out there, using him on like a discover chair. No, I've never heard of him. If you have any kind of paranormal anything, that guy's there.
Regardless of what kind of evidence you have talking about, sewer gases and stuff making you hallucinate. He's the kind of guy who basically three naked aliens, four ghosts and a bigfoot could do a cha-cha in front of him. And he'd be like, yeah, I have them about pizza. What are the aliens having me naked?
I don't know. Okay. They're aliens. Anyway, Joel Nickel concluded the bright light in the sky reported by the witness that on September 12th was likely a meteor that pulsated red light, it was likely an aircraft that was likely an aircraft navigational hazard beacon and that the creature described by what was as closely resembled an owl.
Nickel suggested the witnesses' perceptions were distorted by their heightened state of anxiety. Nickel's conclusions were shared by a number of other investigators, including those in the Air Force. So the light of September 12th sighting, a meteor had been observed across three states, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. According to Nickel, three flashing red aircraft beacons were also visible from the area of the sightings, which could account for descriptions of a pulsating red light and a red tint on the face of the supposed monster.
Nickel concluded that the shape, movement, and sounds reported by witnesses were also consistent with the silhouette, flight pattern, and call it a startled barn owl perched on a tree limb, leading researchers to conclude that foliage beneath the owl may have created the illusion of the lower portions of the creature. Researchers also concluded that the witnesses' inability to agree on whatever the creature had arms combined with Kathleen May's report of having small, collage hands, which extended in front of it, also matched the description of the barn owl with its talons gripping tree branch. According to the skeptic Ryan, hopped, even though local boy Max Lockhart admitted he'd driven around to the site hoping to see something in a Chevy truck, paranormal investigators concluded that the tracks, oily residue, and bits of a rubbery substance must have been left by the creature and not the truck. Hopped explains nausea reported by some of the witnesses' symptoms consistent with hysteria and over exertion.
What's kind of interesting with this, and the reality of it is that each witness, especially if they're scared, or going to have a warped perception of whatever it is they saw, I don't know what they saw, but I think most people know what an owl looks like. On the same token though, I could also see where if they're pretty freaked out, how it would be pretty easy for them to let their imaginations get away with it. It's kind of like we're needing a paranormal investigation, and for your right first time, you don't know what to expect. And Paradolia does play a lot into an investigation where you might think you see or heard or felt something that wasn't actually there.
I'm going to say the one thing on this one that tends for me to think that maybe their imagination's got the better of them is just the fact that this is the only real sighting of the creature. If sightings of this creature was being reported around the globe, like some of the other alien races we're going to talk about, I'd be a little more on board with maybe it happened, but where it was kind of a one-time sighting. Yeah, this is one client who think it's probably Paradolia and some pretty freaked out people with overactive imaginations. Yeah, I would have to agree with you 100% on that one, just because like you said it is, the only recorded case of this specific type of species or race of alien.
No one else has seen this anywhere else in the world, where some of the other species, mostly the graze and the Nordics, have been seen throughout all of different parts of the world. So I'm going to say in my opinion, Flywood's Monster is not real. That would be my guess mission too. Let's move on to Great Alien.
Great Aliens also referred to as the Zata Reticulans, Roswell Grey's or Grey's, or Spelt with an E or an A, are purported extraterrestrial beings whose existence is discussed in uofological, paranormal, and new age communities who are named for their unique skin color. 43% of all reported alien encounters in the United States describe Great Aliens. Such claims vary in each respect, including the nature, origins, extraterrestrials, extra dimensional time travelers, or time machine users. There's some kind of discrepancies on their moral dispositions, intentions, and physical appearances of the encountered beings.
Though many of them nonetheless share some noticeable similarities, the composite description derived from overlap would be that the graze are small body beings with smooth, gray-colored skin, enlarged hairless heads, and large black eyes. These are kind of the stereotypical aliens that you see when you go Google Aliens and hit images, a graze probably was going to come up. Yeah, according to what I've done, most of the reporting of aliens have been by the graze. And one of the most popular cases of the graze would be the Barney and Betty Hill abduction, which purportedly took place in New Hampshire in 1961.
Although skeptics see persecutors in science fiction and… Pre-cursor, sorry, in science fiction and earlier, paranormal claims. Gray aliens also famed for earlier depictions of 1947 Roswell Yofo incident. Some sources in the Yofo community describe the gray aliens as artificially created, modified race used by other alien races as servants or even slaves to execute tasks such as abductions and others. Whatever the origin, the gray alien has since emerged as an arch-type… Oh my lordy.
An arch-typical image of sentient non-human creatures and extraterrestrial life in general, as well as a kind of trope of popular culture in the age of spatial exploration. Boy, that's a mouthful. Yeah, it is. So real quick about the Barney and Betty Hill abduction, I'm going to pitch another show that's on a different network real quick.
It's called Extra Terrestrials on the market network. Yes. I do that because it goes along with what we're talking about. They're actually the very first episode is the story of Betty and Barney Hill, which is actually really well done.
I'll go give it a listen when you get a chance. Well, I thought it was kind of interesting here is that there's a lot of people out there who believe that these are like a slave race of another alien species. And I just kind of find this interesting because we can't even prove that they actually truly exist and we're already kind of jumping out into, hey, there's a slave race. As we talked about the Lost Podcast, do I believe in aliens?
I believe in the possibility of aliens. I believe it's a possible. But I always get kind of, I don't know, my skeptical button starts to tingle a little bit when people start making stuff up. And what I mean by that.
I'll even go into science, dinosaur museums. When you go to dinosaur museums and also they're telling you, hey, the skeleton ate this, this kind of climb into this. I start to wonder how much of that is actually science or how much of that is pure speculation based off of what the scientists are kind of getting at. It just seems like there's an offline information off, not a whole lot to go on.
And I kind of feel like they're doing the same thing here at these great aliens when they're saying they may be a servitor race of some greater alien race. We don't even necessarily know that these truly exist. So to kind of go out on a limb and say that they may be a slave race of an alien race, seems like kind of a wide leap to me. I don't know.
I mean, if you do believe in Eric Fitti Ronan, Roswell and all that, apparently they've done a lot of research down there on aliens. And that's the aliens apparently that landed there, Roswell. Well, Graser typically depicted as gray skin diminutive humanoids that possess reduced forms of or completely lack external human organs such as noses, ears, or sex organs. Their bodies are usually depicted as being elongated, having a small chest and lacking a muscular definition and visible-scale structure.
They're like your shorter, jointed differently from what we'll expect than a human. Their limbs are often depicted as proportionally different from humans. Their humors and thighs are the same length as the forearms and shins. Graser depicted as having unusually large heads and proportion of their bodies.
They're depicted as having no hair anywhere in the body, including the face and no noticeable outer ears or noses, but only small openings or orifices for ears and nostrils. They're generally depicted as having very small mouths and very large opaque black eyes with no discernible iris or people. Reports of alleged encounters frequently state their height to be two to four feet tall, although righties of graser sometimes portrayed as human size or taller. And again, I think everybody's kind of seen a lot of pictures of these.
And I'd be curious from a space-faring race. You know, it talks about them not being very muscular. If they truly exist, and if they are a space-faring race and they're that intelligent, I could see them having larger heads and smaller bodies because they probably developed enough technology that they don't really need much of a physical stature. It's all probably brain power and basically everything else is essentially done for them by technology.
So they would really need to have very muscular bodies. Well, like I said, most of the reports that we've heard or people that we've talked about that have been talked about aliens say that they usually communicate via telepathy and long as it had larger head or larger cranium, would completely make sense in that case as far as also having like a smaller body statue. Because if you communicate telepathy and you can do stuff like with the power of your mind, you don't really need a strong physical body. Exactly.
Alright, so let's talk about history of the grays. The precise origin of the grey as the stereotypical extraterrestrial being is difficult to pinpoint. In 1893, article, Man of the Year Million, science fiction writer HD Wells envisioned the possibility of humanity transformed into a race of grayskin beings who were perhaps one meter tall with big heads, large, old-shaped shaped pitch-black eyes. In his 1901 book, The First Man in the Moon Wells described the Selenites, who he believed were natives of the moon, as having grayskin, big heads, and large black eyes.
He also briefly described as aliens resembling grays, right down to Earth as food for the Martians who were the antagonist characters in his 1998 novel, The War of the Worlds. In 1933, the Swedish novelist Gustav Sandram was using the pen name of Gabriel Lind. He published a science fiction novel called The Unknown Danger. I'm not going to try to pronounce the alone, because I don't speak Swedish.
I was waiting for that. Then, Unkanda Farrant, Don't Send Hate My Life. Far from New York? Far from New York.
Yeah, that's... Apparently that book he described, a race of extraterrestrials. He said the creatures did not resemble any human race. They were short, shorter than the average Japanese, and their heads were big and bald.
That's kind of right down there. They're very short, shorter than the Japanese. For the record, this is Gushtoman Sandram. This isn't...
This is a quote from this author. This isn't us. He went on to say that their heads were big and bald, with strong, square foreheads and very small noses and mouths and weak chins. While it was most extraordinary about them were the eyes, large, dark gleaming with the sharp gaze.
They were closed made of a strong, gray fabric, and their limbs seemed to be similar to those of humans. The novel aimed at young readers, included illustrations of the image aliens. Then, in 1965, we had newspaper reports of the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. It brought grace to international attention.
The alleged abductees of Betty and Barney Hill claimed that in 1961, alien beings had abducted them and taken them to a flying saucer or saucer shaped spaceship. The term Grey's did not come into use until many years later, but the beings described by the Hills generally fit many characteristics of the Grey's. From a star chart reported by Betty Hill, Marjorie Fish, an elementary school teacher and amateur astronomer located at the home planet of these beings in the Zeta-Rentecule star system. Allegedly, it's the fourth planet of one of the stars of the Zeta-Rentecule...
Oh, that is Zeta-Rentecule. ...Renteculae. Thank you. Binary system.
The Grey's therefore became mistakenly known as Zeta-Rentecule-Lins. The description of the Zeta-Rentecule symbol is a similarly named Alien Race differs completely from the Grey's including an appearance of behavior of flying craft design and their treatment of abductees. You know, I kind of wonder with this. What comes first, the Chickener and the Egg?
In the 1800s, we had all these writers writing about, basically, Grey's. Then, you know, the 60s and Roswell and all that. We are supposedly seeing Grey's. Did we invent the Grey's from the books in the early 1900s, late 1800s, or did those authors experience something that they were basically writing about and then we just started to stumble upon more and more?
You get what I'm saying as far as Chickener and Egg thing? It's entirely possible. Yes, both ways. So, I'd be curious to know which is which or if it has nothing to do with anything.
And again, I kind of...with the whole star map of where they live, that's kind of one of those things for me again that seems like a lot of information for something we know very little about. Alright. Or maybe she's one of them. We want to do more on the Grey's or should we move on to the next race?
Let's move on to the next race. I mean, there's so much here that if we try to cover everything about the Grey's, we'd probably take up the rest of the episode. Alright, on to the Hopkinson's ville encounter. So in my opinion though, Grey's entirely possible.
I think that there is a possibility, especially with how many accounts that there has been of these particular type of aliens, I would say that the Grey's most likely to exist. I was going to say, and again, I've gone out and said that I believe in the possibility of aliens. I don't necessarily believe in aliens, but I believe in the possibility of aliens. And if I was to say a race that does exist, I'm with you.
I would say that there's been enough documentation that if somebody came out tomorrow on the news and said, hey, Grey, aliens exist, I'd be like, yeah, okay. I don't think it would be a big shocker if that makes sense. Yeah, I agree with you there. It's like I said, if someone came out and said, Grey's, Grey's exists, I would not be surprised at all.
So the next one was the Hobson ville goblin. Okay. You know, and I'm just kind of looking at the picture of this, and I'm kind of wondering if this could actually be just a grey. It looks like Abe from Abe's Odyssey if you ever played that game back in the 90s.
It kind of looks like a grey with like weird elf ears. So Overwatch, what's it? Futurama? The Nibleer?
It's been long times since I've seen it. It looks like a tall version of Nibleer. The Kelly Hobson ville encounter was a claimed close encounter with extracurial beings in 1955, near Kelly and Hobson's ville in Christian County, Kentucky. Uphologist regarded it as one of the most significant and well-documented cases in the history of UFO incidents, while skeptics say the reports are due to the effects of excitement and misidentification of a natural phenomenon such as meteors and owls.
There's kind of a meteor and owls thing going on here, isn't there? I think so. I think owls are really the culprits for aliens. They're aliens?
Allians? Yes, they're owl, owl, aliens. That's why they stand when they just, they don't say anything because they can't, they just go whoo, whoo, whoo. Um, psychology.
Yeah, I know right. It's like, someone's gonna laugh at that. I guarantee you. I know.
It pains me. No, we'll have at least one person. They're like, I love. If you're laughing, you're a bad person.
I'll just put that out there. Um, psychologists have used the alleged incident as an academic example of pseudoscience to help students distinguish truth from fiction. So the actual encounter self occurred on the evening of August 21st, 1955. Five adults and seven, and seven children arrived at the hospital.
Seven fake children? Seven, seven figures. Five adults and seven children arrived. Seven fake children.
What are they talking about? Truth and reality. I'm sure there was some peyote involved. Lots and lots of peyote.
On the evening of August 25th, 1955, five adults and seven children arrived at the Hopson ville police station, claiming the small alien creatures in the spaceship were attacking their farmhouse, and they have been holding them off with gun fire for nearly four hours. I'm gonna get that, millions. Right another round out there, Paul? Two of the adults, Elmer Sutton and Billy Ray Taylor.
That sounds like a Kentucky name for the 50s. Billy Ray. Sorry, if you didn't really. You're too slow, Billy Bob.
You're too fat, Billy Bob. Right another 12, get out there, bit of Bob. All right, they claim to have been shooting at 12 to 15 short dark figures who repeatedly popped up at the doorway or peered into the windows. This could be aliens or just a batch of bad moonshine.
Concerned about the possible gun by helping to be local citizens. Four police officers, five state troopers, and three deputy sheriffs and four military police from the nearby US Fort Campbell drove to the Sutton farmhouse located near the town of Kelly in Christian Kelly. They're still searching with nothing apart from evidence of gunfire and holes in the windows and doors and screens made by firearms. Residents of the farmhouse included Glenie Langford, her children Lonnie Charlton and Mary, two sons from the previous marriage, Elmer Lucky Sutton and Charlie J.C.
Sutton and their respective wives, Vera and Elene. Elene's brother, Opie Parker and Billy Ray Taylor and his wife, June. Both of the Taylor's Lucky and Ver Sutton were reportedly itinerant carnival workers that were visiting the farmhouse. Sounds like some real stand-up folks.
So it's a bunch of carnies with guns. I should have said this alien race were a weird carnival news. The next day, neighbors pulled the two officers at the family set packed up and left after claiming the creatures had returned about 30 in the morning. Okay, so apparently the family claims received widespread coverage in local and national press.
Early articles did not refer to little green men. The color was later added to some newspaper stories, estimates of the size of the alleged creatures varied from two feet to four feet, and details such as large pointed ears, clawed hands, eyes of a little yellow, and spindly legs later appeared in various media. For all possible explanations, psychologists Rodney Smoltz and Scott Lillenfield cite the alleged incident as an example of pseudoscience and an extraordinary claim to help students develop critical thinking skills. It is possible, if not likely, that the aliens were great horned owls, and there are some evidence that the eyewitnesses may have been intoxicated during the alien attack.
I'm going to go ahead and say that if we've got itinerant carnival workers in the back kills of Kentucky shooting firearms of aliens, there's more than a strong likelihood that spirits were involved in talking paragurable spirits. Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with you. I believe our friend over at the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, Joe Nickel, he noted that the family could have misidentified eagle owls or great horned owls, which are nocturnal, fly silently and have yellow eyes and aggressively defend their nest. According to Nickel, meteor sightings also occurred at the same time that could explain Billy Ray Taylor's claim that he saw a bright light streak across this guy and disappear a tree line, beyond a tree line, some distance from the house.
So again, there it's, in my opinion, I'm going to put it right there with the Flywoods Monster. Being that this is the only reported case. You know, and again, I'm going to go ahead and put on my police detector, police officer hat on this one and say, you know, it's one case, generally with those kind of people, itinerant carnival workers, it's not your most reliable witnesses. And so my guess is that there's a strong likelihood that there was alcohol involved, possibly a meteor or something like that, and then the great horned owls.
That actually seems like a really plausible explanation for me on this one, especially since there weren't other reports to verify this. No, and if you look at a picture with the owl and the picture of the supposed alien, they do look very similar. You know, and it's interesting because the naked dude next to the alien picture on this one, it looks very similar to the gray with like keyboard elf ears. So like, that's look very similar to a gray, but I could also with those ears see it being an owl.
This story kind of cracks me up though. I just, them rack enough gun rounds into the woods. Who does that? Drunk people.
Exactly. I've seen it on like episodes of cops where like, you know, you got a drunk guy in his house and his friends like coming over to say hi, and he starts shooting. It reminds me of a story, a work story that I'm not going to share here because it's probably not the best place. No, probably not.
But yeah. Drunk guys shooting the bloodweiser frogs in his trees because they were wanting to make him have gay sex with something. It was actually happened. It was weird.
Yeah. So what else did you do last Saturday night? This is actually several years ago. This happened.
All right. So let's see. We've got three left. We're going to talk about little green men, just briefly.
Little green men are the stereotypical, stereotypical portrayal of extraterrestrials. And quite frankly, they were kind of invented in the fifties. They're commonly associated with grays, but really these are quite honestly just your made up aliens made up by Hollywood, made up by pop culture in the fifties. Little green men were just kind of Martians, if you will, not actual extraterrestrial races.
And again, those were, they kind of came up initially in the 1920s were popular through the fifties, but really little green men are not a thing. No, and even the article even says that they don't believe it's an actual alien race. That's just, they just put it in there just because they're so popular. Now the next two were races that actually get a little bit more traction than most of the others.
I mean, we talked about grays being what, 45% of the... Something like that, yeah. So you have to ask if the hot skins and goblins have been seen once and the flat one monster has been seen once. What makes up the other 56% or 55% or I'm bad at math?
Well, if you said 45, then it would be 65. That would be 55, sorry. I'm also bad at math, apparently. 55%.
That's why we're podcasting. We don't do math stuff. That's why we talk about things that aren't real. So we're going to talk about...
Yes. And by the way, we will be talking about ghosts next episode, but we'll talk about that in this episode. We will. Yeah, we'll talk about that before we close.
Nordic Aliens. This one, I'm going to give a shout out to our good friend over at Greg's Guide to New Music. What's up, Greg? He found out we were going to be talking about Aliens.
He was super excited because apparently he's done... I wish he was here for this. He's done some research on the Nordic Aliens. This is his favorite type of alien.
And the Nordic Aliens says, in the UFOology, Nordic Aliens are humanoid extraterrestrials purported to come from the Pleads who resemble Nordic Scandinavians. Professed contactees describe them as a typical male, six to seven feet tall, with long, blonde hair, blue eyes, and skin tones ranging from fair to tan. UFOologist George Adamski is credited with being among the first to claim contact with Nordic Aliens in the mid 1950s. Scholars note that the mythology of extraterrestrial visitation from beings with features described as Aryan often include claims of telepathy, benevolence, and physical beauty.
Well, the benevolence in Aryan doesn't really jive with a whole Nazi Germany thing, but hey. Well, he just said it was the perfect race. I know, I'm just being a smart alec. That's what I do.
The cultural historian David J. Scall wrote that early stories of Nordic-type aliens may have been partially inspired by the 1951 film The Day the Earth Stood Still, which an extraterrestrial at Risen Earth toward humanity about the dangers of atomic weapons. Bates College Professor Stephanie Kelly O'Romeano described the alien abduction beliefs as a living myth and notes that among other believers, Nordic Aliens are often associated with spiritual growth and love and act as protectors for the experiencers. In contact and ephology literature, Nordic Aliens are often described as benevolent or even magical beings who want to observe and communicate with humans.
They're concerned about the Earth's environment or prospects for real peace. Believers also ascribe telepathic powers to Nordic Aliens and describe them as paternal, structural, smiling, affectionate, youthful. Kelly O'Romeano observes that while white extraterrestrials are often more than revered among claimants, compared to other beings like the Grays, and argues that claimants may use their stories about extraterrestrials as a means of articulating racially based fears. During the 1950s, many contactees, especially those in Europe, claimed encounters with being spitting this description such claims became relatively less common in subsequent decades as the great aliens supply of the Nordic and most alleged accounts of extraterrestrials encounters.
So kind of a belief there is that basically it's kind of a perfect, almost human-type race, perfect, according to Arian standards, which is why they call these Arian aliens. And really, if Arian is done a lot of research on extraterrestrials, we're not going to get too far into it on this particular episode, maybe in a future show. But there are a lot of believers out there who believe that basically human beings are a slave race, all of us are a slave race of a greater extraterrestrial master, if you will, that basically we're right here on this planet to work. And because of some galactic civil war, we kind of got abandoned here and left our own devices and are kind of doing our own thing these days.
The Anunnaki is the name of kind of the master race, if you will. But this would be kind of interesting if potentially these Nordics did exist that maybe that would be the master race, if you will, where all just kind of muttly leftovers. That would make sense. It would make sense.
I mean, to me, having a species that looks similar to what we look now today, or at least the Nordics anyways, I don't hunt much, but when you go out hunting, you're usually trying to blend in and look like the surroundings, you use your scents and your calls and whatnot. And try to make yourself seem like you're that particular animal, so you can get the animal to come to you. So to me, it would make sense. Like if a race was really trying to study us or observe us, what better way to do that than to be one of us?
And so out of all of these that we talk about, yeah, I say the grades probably most likely exist, but I think if there was one hands down race that I would have to say does exist, it would be the Nordics. And I'm kind of there with you too. Just if it was, I don't know, I kind of... That leaves you with the hunting talk.
No, I'm sick. Brainwork slow. That's okay. Mine works slow even when I'm not sick.
I'm just trying to think how to word this not sound weird because this is kind of a weird topic. But I'm a big Star Trek fan. I've always been a big Star Trek fan. There's no way to say you're a Star Trek fan without timing weird.
As you say, and one of the overriding themes, if you'd like to really interstarch, read some of the Star Trek books. The Prime Directive. Is that where you're getting that? No, there's kind of an overarching theme in kind of a Star Trek canon if you really read the books and that's basically the reason all the Star Trek races are kind of humanoid with hands and feet and they all look kind of the same is that there's one master race in the universe that kind of seeded all these planets with similar species and they've just kind of evolved their own direction, if you will.
And so to me that could potentially make sense from a logic standpoint that maybe there is an overarching race that's greater than all of humanity that put us here and that is kind of left us here to our own devices. So I think. Well that's the case. They need to get their butts here and clean some stuff up right away.
Yeah, no kidding. So you know Florida talking about you. And Germany. Alright.
Central Hate Mountain to alert at wist.org. So our last race that we're going to talk about tonight. And these are kind of a interesting one too and that's the reptilians or the rest of the rachonians. And these are another one that viewed quite a bit.
Usually if you listen to coast to coast am they're talking aliens. They're usually talking Anunnaki. They're talking reptilians or they're talking graze. Those are kind of the three races you really hear the most about.
Tim take away. Okay. The reptilian or simply reptilians are purported humanoids with the characteristics of reptiles that play a prominent role in fantasy science fiction, ufology and conspiracy theories. The idea of reptilians was popularized by David Ike.
Conspiracy theories to claim shape shifting or alien aliens control earth by taking on human form and gaining political power to manipulate human societies. Ike has stated on multiple occasions that many world leaders are or are possessed by so-called rptilians. This would make sense for a vermin supreme. Maybe a Donald Trump.
He's a reptilian? It's possible. They did a very bad job of replicating humans in the same state. It was not working.
No, that doesn't make sense. I guess being able to again kind of make themselves look like us to observe and and roll things. Did you ever watch a Z or no V? V back in the 80s?
No, I was born in the 80s. That's right. You don't watch a lot of TV when I was like a baby. I don't have to talk with your mom.
There's a really cool TV show back in the 80s called V and they actually did a remake several years ago. I don't think it went very far. But basically the idea was that there's an alien race of these reptilians and I'm guessing they based it off this race that appeared as humans and came here and were our friends and I'm using my air quotations and basically kind of we're learning the humans into believing that there are friends where secretly they were harvesting our bodies and our water to basically use a food source. And if you fought one and tore it skin off you could see the scales and stuff underneath.
They're actually a reptilian race. But I think that was probably based off of this. It actually is whole section here in the article. Oh, is there a section in there about the movie B?
Yep. Well, take away Tim because I'm dying with the cold here. Okay, well it's a basic rundown of V. It says it's a science fiction franchise created by American writer producer and director, Kenneth Johnson about a genocidal invading invasion, invading alien race known as the visitors.
A reptilian humanized disguised as human beings that were trying to take over the Earth. And the human reaction to this including the resistance group attempting to stop them while others collaborate with the aliens for power and personal wealth. Three years after the 1981 wedding of Prince Charles and Prince Diana, the 1984 TV series of V included a planned wedding between two of the leading visitors, Charles and Diana. Although Charles got murdered before the marriage could take place.
It has sometimes been suggested that some aspects of the franchise may have helped inspire some of David's Ike's above-dimension theories. So those are kind of the main alien races that you hear about. I mean in reality there's a whole another, we actually found enough to go that we probably could have done a dozen shells on the alien races. The printout of the article with the different alien races I think was 60 pages when I went to go print it out.
There's in my research I found that apparently there's over like 86 species of aliens. And basically we just picked the ones that were the most common or most popular species. Right and ultimately when it comes down to it I think I made my stance pretty clear that I believe in the possibility of but don't necessarily subscribe to any of these in general. What's your position Tim?
Like I said in the last show, I won't deny that there's the possibility that there could be some kind of aliens species of race out there. I stand by that all the crops are going low green man stuff is crap. But like I said, if any of these are actually legit and real, I would probably say the Nordic. To me that just makes sense.
I could see the Nordic or the the greys would be probably the two that make most sense to me personally. And the greys mostly just because there's been so many sightings that like I said if I woke up tomorrow in the news and someone said hey, greys aliens are visiting the White House I'd go, you okay. It wouldn't be a huge stretch for me just based on the number of accounts that there are greys. Mostly like aliens have been a part of pop culture and science fiction for at least well over 100 years.
You know, if not more. And it's the same with the paranormal. The fact that you know just because we've never actually seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. I personally for one would like to experience it myself just so I can say without a shadow of a doubt that yes they do or yes they don't.
Obviously, I can't say you know they don't if I've never experienced them but if I had like some higher power that's like yes no these are not real. You know if I had that that's actual knowledge it would be awesome but unfortunately it's kind of one of those things like it's like with the paranormal with a lot of people where they want to believe in spirits some people do some people just think it's all about hokey but like my stance on this right now is going to be I want to believe in them and I would really like to have some kind of encounter for myself. I don't necessarily need evidence to show to other people but I don't have that experience myself. It's the same with the paranormal.
It's like I know you guys love listening to our stories about what we do and what we experience when it comes to the paranormal but I'll tell you hearing the stories is nowhere near as fun is actually experiencing them. Right and speaking of which our next episode we will be back to doing another go show and we will be bringing back the segment next week on recent investigations. We're gonna have our friend and he's been on a few episodes of this before. We're gonna have Mike Finley come in and sit down and talk about some of his recent investigations and so you can plan on that for our next show.
So back speaking of next show Tim what is our next show topic? So our next show topic is going to be jumping into another case that Ed and Lorraine Warren took part of. This one was during the 70s and this happened to a family that went by the name of Lutz. I remember George Lutz I don't remember the names of the rest of the family but there's also Travis DeFeo that lived in the house beforehand that shot Merger to his entire family before the Lutz family moved in and if you haven't figured out what I'm talking about by now I think I'm just gonna leave that little cliffhanger out there for you and you'll find out next episode that we are talking about the Amityville house.
Yeah and I've got some spoons from the DeFeo estate out in the garage on the bed sheet that mounted in the shadow box is that they were actually murdered on. So what we would like I'm gonna be obviously repulsing this or we're talking about here on the show letting you know what we're talking about next time. One of the things that we're gonna try to do in the future depending on you guys is we're gonna let you know what our next topic is that way if you have anything about our next topic that you would like to ask us and have us answer on the show you have time to actually do that. So if you do have a question about the Amityville case in specific that you want us to cover please head us up on Facebook or you can email us at either castle.wist.org or team.wist.org and we will include your question in the show.
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