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Welcome to All About Nursing with your host Dr. Joyce Batchelor, executive nurse advisor Dr. Batchelor, who will present the significant role nurses play in providing health care in a multitude of healthcare settings. Listen to some of today's key nurses who work and practice in academia settings and talk about the challenges they face in today's modern medical world.

So please welcome the host of All About Nursing, Dr. Joyce Batchelor. Good evening, everyone. I'm your host, Dr.

Joyce Batchelor on All About Nursing, and we're live on the BBM Global Network and TuneIn Radio. On a previous show that featured Dr. Kirill Myers, we were discussing the fact that even though there are about three and a half million nurses in the United States, we are still invisible in the media. The findings from the Woodhall study were shared and Dr.

Myers provided some great ideas on how nurses, journalists, editors and others could really help to correct this. Well tonight I have a guest who is leading some incredible work that is related to this concept, who is Michael Ward. And Michael is a critical care nurse and acute nurse practitioner student. Nurse entrepreneur, keynote speaker, nurse blogger, fitness enthusiast and avid reader.

He's also the husband and dad to five boys in his free time, which I'm not sure how he gets this free time. He serves as the chair of the communications committee and of the Southern Regional Committee for the American Association for Men in Nursing. He's also the co-host of the Weekly Nursing Podcast called the Nurses Station. His passion lies in bringing awareness about the many opportunities the nursing profession provides for men who are willing to go for it.

So welcome, Michael. Really happy to have you on the show this evening. Can you begin by telling us? Michael, can you begin by telling us when and how you decided to become a nurse?

Yeah, absolutely. Man, that intro was, wow, I sure like that. You can do that again. My path to becoming a nurse was quite a peculiar staff.

If you had told me when I graduated high school and I was going to be a nurse, I wouldn't believe you. Nursing to me was more of an afterthought but one of the lessons. When I graduated high school in 95, I graduated from the Air Force Academy High School in Colorado Springs and my goal was to be a medical doctor. I want to be a doctor, my grandfather was a doctor, and my dad's brother is a doctor.

And I just thought, I think that's what I want to do. And so I take a couple college classes while I was in my final year of high school and I elect the major of biology. And it turns out after I graduated high school, my dad was, he had plans, I'm moving to San Francisco. So I wasn't really sure if I wanted to go there and my mother was living in Louisiana at the time.

She convinced me that Louisiana was probably a better option at the time. And so I chose Louisiana and as I went to Louisiana, I did not consider the cost of out of state tuition. And whenever I went to apply, I thought, I'm going to go apply it to Louisiana Tech. And I was going to go for biology there, continue my biology degree.

And I found out that it was very costly. And I just was not prepared for the cost that out of state tuition would be. So I said, well, you know, I'll get a job. And so I'd worked for the little while and I would, you know, attain my residency status and then it would be a brief type of tuition.

Well, you know, you'd be the young guy sometime. And you know, you can get a lot of things, right? So I ended up, let's see, going to work in the oil field, I actually worked as a rough neck on an offshore drilling rig. And I did that for a couple years, two years actually.

And I was making such good money. You know, at the time, I thought, well, this is good money. I'll just do this for now. And working in 14.

So I mean, I was working two weeks in the Gulf of Mexico and I was offered two weeks. That didn't give me a whole lot of time for school. And so I had to put that aside for a while. I got ended up getting laid off.

You know, I broke my foot out there. Very dangerous work. And I broke my foot out there. And I figured, well, this is the time I'm going to go to school.

Let me see if I can get in there and get financial aid, maybe well, they determine your eligibility for financial aid and your financial aid and your previous years in company. You know, and even though I wasn't working, I did not afford to go to school because, you know, they were considering my previous income. So I ended up going to work on a paper mill, working in the paper for a paper manufacturing plant or a company called the Lame Industries. You know, and I'm just getting further and further away from where I really, really wanted to do.

But I really wasn't qualified to do anything else. And I ended up working for an electrical contractor as a maintenance coordinator. You learn all kind of fields when you're working on short. So we're going to make this coordinator for a company called LUTO Electric.

I'm not going to do such a and we happen to be doing a job at the Stephen have Austin State University in Agadoces. And it was my lunch break. And I thought, you know, I want to see if I can get into this program. You're thinking it was so funny.

I went to finance right and I came out and you know, about 30 minutes. And they said, oh, yeah, you know, you qualified for financial aid. No problem. And so I said, well, shoot, I'm going to turn in an application.

And in that little time, I gave it up to them some weeks. But it's there and I thought, you know what, I might not get in the medical school right away. I think it would be wise if I maybe go for nursing, they're the nursing program. They're actually the great nursing program.

And if I came to the medical school right away, at least the very least, I can be in the medical field until I can get in the medical school. So that's kind of how that happened. I found out I was going through nursing that that is really what I wanted, what I thought, you know, as I would achieve or, or, you know, expose myself through the physician, the patient care, all that stuff. It really happens with nursing.

And I really found my niche was in nursing. And, you know, as I was going to clinical, even my first year out of school, you know, I talked to doctors who I had to come friends with, you know, at this time, I'm pretty eight to 2008, I graduated nursing school. So I'm 41 now. I had friends who were doctors and, you know, a couple of them were candid with me and they said, you know, you get the right thing because being a doctor is not exactly what it used to be.

And nursing is a great option. And some of them said, you know, I would consider nursing, you know, I would have considered, you know, I would have, you know, offered me the idea of nursing and really show me what it's possible with nursing. I probably would show that. And so I'm really excited.

You know, I got, you know, I made a, like a last minute, like a last moment choice and it was the best choice I ever made in my life professionally. So what happened? So what was it about the clinical experience or the coursework that made you realize that you really wanted to continue in the nursing profession as a focus? Well, it was really one I got in the clinical CG, I know.

I mean, everybody that's in there is listening here. The classwork, you know, you were really good. It's way more than you think that you're going to have to deal with. You know, you got to know, just as, I mean, you're communicating with doctors.

You got to know a lot of stuff, right? So as a nursing student, I'm like, wow, this is a lot of information. You know, I never knew nurses had to know all this information. And but it was when I got into clinicals, I realized how much time you get with the, you know, you get the patient, even in the business of time, you still get to connect with patients on a level that as a physician, you really don't get to.

You know what I mean? Absolutely. And we'll talk a bit more about that. But right now, this is all about nursing and I'm Dr.

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Before the break, Michael was telling us a little bit about how he came about making a decision to move into the nursing profession. You certainly had a lot of other experiences that I would imagine have also been helpful for you as you moved into this nursing profession. But maybe we could just start with you. Tell us a little bit about some highlights of your career.

Oh my gosh. That's a great question. That's a great question. I've been an nurse now for about 10 years.

I've had a great experience. As I mentioned before, it was really the best decision I could have made in my life professionally. I've had so many great experiences. But in the first thing that comes to mind is not so much an individual experience that may have occurred while it worked, although I've had many of those.

Some of the biggest highlights that I had to say are like this experience. This is an amazing experience that I would never have had the opportunity to participate in. I don't know. I'll become a nurse.

And I will always remember this experience for the rest of my life, which is amazing. And some of the other experiences are the people that I've been able to meet and to befriend and to come to know on a personal level. I've been so fortunate. I know I take, like you mentioned in the intro, I work with the American Association for Men and Nursing.

That is a definite highlight in my career. It's just amazing that one of the people that I've gotten to know actually introduced me to you. I mean, Bob Diner, who is the president of the American Association for Nursing, I would never have been able to connect with someone of that caliber had I not chosen nursing. And it's just such a great experience.

Just knowing and if you know of your life, it's not all the things that you accumulate. It's the people that you can meet. It's the friendships. They're really the highlights.

Those are things you would beg on. So when you say the highlights, those are probably like the highlights. I've had a lot of great experiences with patients. And I've been able to really, you know, and they say, you know, nurses, you can touch a lot of lives.

But you know, we nurses, as you know, you're a nurse. You know, I like to touch about a patient we care for. Absolutely. It's a great experience.

So you were describing before the break that you had some friends that were physicians that were kind of envious, that you decided to become a nurse when they could see the differences between the two professions. I was curious if you also had friends that were kind of stickering or feeling like, what are you doing, Michael? A nurse? Are you kidding?

Did you have some of that kind of feedback from friends? You know, I had a few friends who were like, what do you think they're doing? You're doing a nurse. You're doing.

And that's like the stigma, right? That's the stigma that the idea that the nurses, you know, only certain types of men to be nurses. But, you know, I want to say that I, and a number of people that I know have kind of broken that mold. You know, I believe in anybody who wants to, who can be a nurse.

I don't think it's a limited female, although it's only about the population of nurses that are new. But that tie is turning. And it's being reported, although it's slow, but the millennials are really, they don't hold on to the same idea. Or the same stigma that has attached itself to the nurse profession.

But, you know, I did, I had a couple people, you know, they're like, why don't you just look at the doctor? And I'm like, well, they weren't too hard. They weren't all the time. But it was kind of like just a joke, right?

But, you know, more and more people, this is one of the things that I really had to think. I'm very, very passionate about the idea of being, you know, males who are kind of like on the fence, or maybe they're just, you're sending men out there, they're looking for something. You know, they're taking care of their family and some of them out of work, you know, some of them are just, they just, they don't know where to go. What to do?

And it's those kind of guys that I really love to connect with because I was that guy. You know, and I said it before, you know, nursing didn't just change my life. It saved my life. I was really, really in a bad spot, you know, until I discovered, you know, how amazing the nursing profession is.

And so for those people who gave me a lot of grief, you know, they may have it first. But now they see me, you know, I work three days a week, right? You know, when I'm working, I'm with my kids or I'm out on, you know, well, on the lake, you know, we like to go wakeboarding. You know, we go travel all the time, you know, and now we're three days a week, you know, everybody else.

They were giving you all these haters, you know, they're the nature. They were, you know, we're invited in a week and, you know, we're more. And, you know, it just, it's just one of those things. They're not how people come up to me.

They're like, so tell me about the nursing thing. You know, how to, you know, just kind of look at it. You know, is that sort of. So Michael, has that led you to want to be actually involved with the American, like the American Association, like for male nurses, because you have a couple of roles that you play with them.

The chair of the communications committee and your chair of the US Southern Region. Can you share a little bit about like what you're responsible for and why you chose to do this? Absolutely. And I appreciate you bringing that up.

The, so I first want to say, the American Association for Men and Nursing, although it says for men and nursing, we have a lot of females in our organization and our organization, we welcome and invite females to join the organization. We actually, so I run the National Southern Region, US Southern Region of the American Association for Men and Nursing. And one of my regional committee members, who works with me, we have a team of six, she is a nursing professor, you know, at a college in the United States. And we have a lot to see now.

So I just wanted to just put that out there. You know, it's not exclusive to men. But honestly, the way that I got involved in that is kind of, it was kind of like my involvement in becoming a nurse. It is, it kind of just happened.

It's a great story though. And we'll continue that. But right now, we are coming to you live from the BVIM Global Network in Tune & Radio for the All About Nursing. And I'm Dr.

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Before the break, Michael was telling us a little bit about the roles that he plays in terms of being the chair of the Communications Committee and the chair of the US Southern Region. And so maybe you could continue a little bit about what you're doing in those roles, Michael, and what the kind of things you're working on and the kinds of things you're trying to make a difference with. Absolutely. So I think I should start with how I became involved because it wasn't something I kind of sought out.

I found out that there was an association, an association from the American American, and so I became a member. However, there was no chapters where I was living at the time. But it was just really cool. They have a lot of resources and free CDU and stuff like that.

You know, a lot of few things. And so I was really excited to be involved in something like that, especially since I'm a male nurse and we only represent like a 10% of the population of nursing. I had created a blog, right? So I had a blog called Have Mercy, M-U-R-S-E-W, M-R-S-M-M-R-S, M-R-C-D-D-C-D-C.

And for a while, I was featuring male nurses. I call it kind of like a nurse in the month, you know, and I would feature or highlight male nurses within the profession that we're doing through creating things. And through that, I became acquainted with the incoming president of the Association, Mr. Blake Smith.

And, you know, he had reached out to me after we had talked for a couple of times and said, hey, you know what, I'm actually working on something that I might want to know, you know, might ask you to consider being involved, you know, making a few more. I'm like, okay, no, no, man. Just let me know, man. So I actually said it.

I just kind of forgot. And then one day you reached out to me and he said, listen, I am about to, you know, I'm the incoming president and we want to start working on a strategic plan, a new strategic plan. And we want to do some big things. And, you know, I really would like it if you would consider being on our strategic committee, or kind of it was a regional committee, but it was before it was called the regional committee.

It was more like a, this is a strategic planning committee. And so for a few months, you know, we worked on a strategic plan to really revamp some of the things within the American Association. And everything actually bring more value into the organization. And so I thought, well, yeah, that'd be kind of cool.

I love to participate and something like that. And so once we finished with everything, you know, we kind of rolled it out. He said, you know what, I'm up for you to stay on board and run the Southern region. And I'm like, well, you know, I've never really done anything like this.

But, you know, if you guys, if you can help me in, you know, and kind of be in this, I'll be glad to be able to get it. And he's like, no problem. We'll help you in any way you need. And so, you know, we started doing that.

And I started, you know, we recruited some people to work with me. And so there's four regions, obviously. And each of the four regions has five or six people, you know, ahead of that region. And what we do is we work with all the local chapters within that region.

And so there's six of us. And there's, you know, a lot of chapters across the Southern United States. And so what we really do is we kind of like to go to a person. And we're like the liaison for the organization because, you know, you have the board of the writers.

But, you know, there's a very strong disconnect, right, with the board and with each local chapter. And so what we wanted to do is we wanted to bring it in and kind of tighten it up. So everybody feels like, you know, that we're easily accessible. And we, you know, if they need anything, we got to help them with anything they need.

If they need to help, you know, getting started, if they need help, you know, moving to some things around the chapter or even having a speaker come and speak at their chapter meetings because they might have each month, you know, we do all those things to help each chapter run efficiently as possible. Because, you know, we really believe that we're offering value to these nurses who are participating in these chapters. And so I've been doing that and I had to say it's been a blast. It really has been a blast.

And again, I've got more highlights. You know, this is another highlight of my career. And I've made a lot of people and it's been really great. You know, and it all started, whereas me deciding go for nursing and then maybe, hey, you know, I have a lot of information I could share, then I helped new nurses and I started this nursing blog.

And then that nursing blog evolved into a situation that allowed me to find myself on this nursing organization. So a little bit later, they asked, hey, you know, we actually, as part of the strategic plan, you know, we really want to start using social media to help and offer more value to our members. Would you consider doing something like that? And, you know, I am pretty, you know, I'm on Twitter a lot.

I don't want to say I'm a social media influencer, but I do have thousands and thousands of followers on Twitter. I've, and I, they're called followers on Twitter, but, you know, I consider it many, many, many, many friends. And again, it's been amazing to be able to connect with people around the world in such a way. And it wasn't for nursing, I just couldn't have done it.

I just don't think it could have. So they looked at that background, they thought, you know what, we would like to be around our communications committee and we'll let you do whatever you need to do. But we really want to utilize social media as a platform to not only engage members and not as an afterthought, like so many organizations just kind of post social media stuff. But we want to use it as a platform to help our members get more value and be more engaged and feel like it were really able to connect with us.

And so we've been doing that. And that's turned into, you know, I work with some great people and we have some great team in the summer communications team. And we have Dr. Wesley Willis who, if you look at him across social media, it's called the Nurse Doc.

He is joining on the communications team, Nurse Blake Lynch, an amazing guy who is just so clever. And anybody who's a nurse probably has heard of Nurse Blake, which guy is so clever, so funny. You know, I, I, you know, get to work with this guy, you know, and I have, you know, several other people. I'm just such a good dude, Nurse Klaus Campos, just great people that I've been able to connect with.

And that's just, you know, that's just one of the things that we do in our communications committee. We just work across the social media platforms. We answer questions. We provide content, free content.

I now am the co-host of the Nurse Association, which is a weekly podcast. We do on Sundays Live for all of our members. And we do that through Facebook Live on Sundays in a closed group, a dues paying membership closed group Facebook page. So everybody is a member.

They are in the Facebook page, you know, the people that have Facebook. And we get to have live guests and they get to enter out to leave guests on a weekly basis on Sundays. And then we transfer that to an audio and then we upload that mp3 file as a web, as a podcast on the website. So it's really awesome.

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I'm Dr. Joyce Batchler, the host of the show. Prior to our break, Michael was telling us a bit about the wonderful work that he's leading where he's got a special setup on Sunday evenings for his members to be able to really have them chat live with various speakers. So maybe Michael, we could go back and you could share a bit more about the kind of things that you're doing with that before we go into a different topic area.

Yeah, sure. It's a lot of fun. But I've never really considered doing a podcast and much less a live podcast. And it's been really fun because we get some really, really high-calar people to come onto the show and our members get to interact with these people.

If they choose to, they're available. They can ask questions and they can interview people with questions. That's really awesome. And then what we'll do is we'll publish, like I said, we'll take that live broadcast and we'll put it on a public page of the next day for the whole world to see.

And then we'll also strip the video and just put the audio on the website so people can download it as an audio. But we have a really good time. We have some really good people in the past. We have some great folks.

And I'm really optimistic about some of our next podcast we have coming up. I've been in talks with Paul Brant, he's a country singer who has done some good things. He's won some big awards in the country music industry. But before we were in country music, he was a pediatric nurse.

He and I connected on Twitter and we talked a few times. And I'm a special guest manager and we're setting up an interview. He's going to be on our podcast, which is going to be awesome. We have a couple of TED talk, TED speakers that were setting up to come up on the show here pretty soon.

Really, really good stuff. Really good stuff. I'm trying to get Tim Stiller on the show right now. He has portrayed as a nurse in a movie.

And he's just a really cool guy. We would all love it if we could just get him on. Even if it's for like 10 or 15 minutes and just talk about some of his two-minute training efforts that he's been doing. I just have no word.

We just really would love to hear from him and just see what he's taking on down nurses. But we had a lot of fun. And that's one of the highlights of my career also. It's crazy.

I look back at my life. It's so funny because I have 10 years. I don't even feel like it. I haven't really worked.

It's been a lot of fun. And nursing can be very hard sometimes. Especially when you're dealing with people's lives. You get really close to these people and know and tend to happen.

Or maybe not. It can be difficult at times. But honestly, I cannot, if you were to say name five of the worst experiences, I would really, really have to be caught about that. It's just been such a great experience.

But then again, I could be a specialist. I'm not an optimist. So, Michael, you obviously are thoroughly enjoying what you're doing. And I think you're doing some great work.

How do you know if what you're doing is being successful in terms of messaging to other males that the nursing profession actually is a wonderful career choice? That is a great question. I don't know. It's successful.

Well, I got firstly needed to find one second. So, what a successful like. I think that the numbers are picking up. Do I feel like I'm having a playing impact?

I hope so. I've got people talking to me all the time through social media asking questions about nursing. And I think that's really cool. I don't know what that turns into.

But I really think that I think, as far as bringing more males into profession. We've got to first decide why it's important though that we bring more males into profession. And I'd like to answer this question. I'll propose that question, answer that question first.

I think it's because males make up 49% of the population in the United States. And I believe that it's important that the caregivers, people who are going to take care of these populations, I believe that it should mirror the populations that we serve. There's unique situations, unique circumstances that men are more comfortable dealing with men. And I think that's important.

I think that parity in nursing is important. And I don't think that we need to have more men and less women. I think that we men, I think there should be more men to work beside these amazing women that we have as colleagues. And so do I think we're having success at that?

Do I think I'm making an impact? I really hope that I am. Because if you look back, if you look at numbers, after June of 2011, I believe, every day, every single day, 10,000 people turn 65 years of age. So there's a lot of people that are coming up in age where there's a lot of health issues and a lot of other comorbidities that come up.

And we're not going to have enough nurses to cover the patient populations that are going to be coming into the hospital. And there's always men out there who are looking for work, they're looking for careers. And there's so much opportunity in the role and the field of nursing. And so I do hope that I'm making an impact.

And if it's not me, I hope other people may be influencing me to at least consider the professional nursing. I honestly think that it's just starting high school. None of my high school counselors ever suggested nursing me. And all the men that I've spoken with, very few, they've told me that it was ever even an option.

Where they were presented with the idea that nursing would be a worthwhile pursuit in college. And this is unfortunate because there's so much opportunity. And there's so many positions that there just need to be filled. And there's so many men out there that are graduating college with degrees where half of them aren't able to get jobs in the career field that they chose in college.

And so they're left with all this debt that they have to pay back from school loans, and they don't have jobs. So nursing is an amazing profession. And there's very special value where you're getting work right out of college. And you're making $40,000 to $50,000 a year right off of that.

Pretty amazing. Yes, it is. And this is all about nursing. I'm your host, Dr.

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Welcome back everyone. You're listening to All About Nursing Live from BBN Global Network in Tune & Radio. I'm Dr. Joyce Batchler, the host of the show.

Prior to the break, Michael was sharing with us a little bit about his experiences in terms of working with lots of different men that are interested in learning more about the profession, and he was sharing too that we have a need to have more men coming into the profession so that we have the ability to have nurses that really will understand what the health specific needs are of men. And that certainly plays out as we continue to see the baby boomers hitting that 65-year-old target there. So one of the things I wanted to ask you, Michael, is that I've heard people say that there's some concerns about nurses that are deciding, or people that are deciding to come into the nursing professions as a second career, that are seeing it as an opportunity to make money without it necessarily being there calling. And so many of us, including me, it really has been a calling for all of my life starting at the age of five.

So I was just curious if you hear people expressing concerns around that and what your comments are about that. That is a good question. So, you know, and you kind of see it. Let's look at it with physicians first, okay?

Because if you've ever maybe you've been a fly on the wall or maybe a family member or maybe it's in your work, maybe you've been at the bedside and you've seen a doctor come in the talk with the family and has really terrible bedside manner. I mean, you kind of wonder in a situation, because if I really get into it for all the right reasons, you know, did you get into it because of the money? And, you know, money does play a really big role in deciding what you want to do for a living, or does it? Like I said, I think the last number I read, 51% of the people graduating college aren't getting jobs.

So, you know, nursing is a great profession that offers, you know, a good, solid income for the most part. And so, do I feel like men or have I seen that there are a percentage of men that get involved for money? Yeah, you know, I've seen that. I've actually worked with guys and you can buy a bell.

They're just, you know, they're not going to have the money. But I've also been in the situation where I've seen women who are getting into it because they're getting it. So, they're just going to make it to money. Right?

It's a good bill. Maybe our family with a nurse, the mother of a nurse, a sister of a nurse, and the money was good, so we got involved. So, I think in any, you know, either, you know, gender, you're going to run into people joining, you know, the profession because the money, and maybe not because they're called to take care of people. And I'm not saying that they're good, but you're going to see it, I believe.

But those people aren't going to last very long because money can only be a driver for just a little while, because if you're not in there for the calling, you will eventually burn out and you will do something tragic, hopefully not. Or you'll just kind of give up. Like, this is not how you can be. Because, honestly, nursing can get pretty hairy, right?

Or you know, this is as well as I mean, there are days where you can see, you know, you might have, you know, four or five patients in the patient, depending on where you're at. And it can be your worst week of your life, you know, and then the next week you come in and say, this is not the worst week of your life. You know, there's only so many of those that someone who's money motivated is going to be able to tolerate. But as far as men not being able to have the compassion required to care for people, I don't believe that's true.

You know, there was a few, if you ever heard of the topic of males, male caregivers, there's very little research done on male care, on the caregiver role, you know, from the male perspective. If you've got about 12 hours, you can probably read every research paper ever produced on the role of male caregivers. But in the United States, there's 40% of the 40 million Americans caring for loved ones are males, right? So that's almost how many people that are caring for loved ones are male, taking care of their loved ones.

So I believe it's, I believe it's a male, a female job. I don't believe it's a job exclusively for male, I believe it's for people who, you know, can care for people and take care of people. You know, and men don't care for women, you know, people the same way that women do. We all have, you know, our certain talents and skills that we bring to the table.

And there's no women do it beautifully, beautifully. And then we don't do it as beautifully, but we do it very well, just in a different way. So, I mean, it's a good question. It really is a good question.

And unfortunately, you know, the short answer is, yeah, there's people that, there's men that get involved with it because of money, absolutely. And I think that, you know, it's, we have to be careful that we don't just stereotype because I liked what you had said earlier that the millennials don't see male versus female. And I agree with that. And I think that we had probably been our own worst enemy in terms of talking about whether or not it's a good thing you'd become a nurse when you're a male.

And I had shared that even for myself, when I wanted to become a nurse, my family was very much opposed and thought that I needed to become a teacher because that's what the traditional role was back then where all of my aunts were becoming teachers and I basically said I can teach as a nurse. And so, you know, never mind, I want to still do this. So I think we have made progress. But we still have more progress to make for sure.

You know, I know it's just curious. Are there other issues or concerns that you think we should be addressing that you've been hearing through the people that you're working with? Yeah, that's also a good question. You know, because whenever I say, you know, men's health, what's the first thing to come to mind?

I'm just curious, you know, most people, you know, probably say like prostate, you know, prostate issues, right? Because that's why they think men's health, that's what we're not doing. We're not doing this process. That's why I think it's okay.

I think that there's maybe access to care is a big deal. You know, as far as medical issues go, depression, heart disease occurs more than, you know, yeah. I mean, there's a number of issues that are not just completely male and female, but there are many issues that are predominantly male. And you see a lot of women's health.

You see a lot of women's health. You see a lot of women's health. I'm trying to think this today, I was a women's health client. But you never see like a legal point.

You know what I mean? I mean, it's just an observation. I mean, I'm not trying to, you know, start anything. But you just never see that.

Right. But yeah, there's a lot more issues. I really think men for, you know, as far as depression goes, it's big. It's really big, especially with veterans.

And like I said, men's caregivers, there's not enough information out there to help these 40% of caregivers who are male. And I think that's a big deal. This is an emerging topic. And I foresee a lot of information disseminated about that particular topic.

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I'm your host Dr. Joyce Bachelor and all about nursing. We're live on the BBM Global Network and Tune in Radio. Prior to the break, we were discussing what Michael had said around seeing that there's a lot of focus on women's health issues and women's health clinics, but not necessarily seeing the same focus on men's health clinics.

And I think that it's important to point out that women tend to make the decisions in their household and their health decisions in terms of who they go to, what doctors they go to, what hospitals they should use, what pediatricians. And so I think that there's a consumerism piece that tends to play out really wanting to appeal to the females that make a lot of those decisions. So I thought that was a very astute observation on your part, Michael. What I'd really like to do is have you share a little bit more about your TED Talk that you're planning to do and what kind of topic you're thinking to address and how that's going to progress for you.

This is so funny. This is so funny. I just ended up. So I didn't know.

I had wanted to do a TED Talk since I saw TED Talk the first time and it was years ago. And now they have Ted Med and I'm like, oh, that is it. I was the one. I'm ready.

If they ever call me and say, hey, listen, we would love for you to consider doing it. I'm ready. I got the work. I've done the research.

And I got tons of people behind me that have actually helped contribute to the research. So I'm really excited for the opportunity. I was on Twitter as I am quite frequently. That's my life.

And I was talking, you know, Paul Grant had gone to TED Talk. You know, so I was responding. And this is actually I had a couple of conversations. But he is responding to the TED Talk.

And I think it was powdery, you know, it was a game. And so I clicked on the link that he had posted. It was really interesting. And I said, you know, this has always been a dream of mine to be a TED.

And I actually had a few friends who are TED teachers. And I love the idea. You can see them up there talking. They do fan, they do fan back, they do a two-day team.

And, you know, I just kind of mentioned it. I'm, this is what I'm always going to do. And so Ted actually responded and they said put it on the bucket list in 2019. But I'm like, are you serious?

That sounds great. You know, so I, you know, we kept talking back and forth. Me and Ted, Ted X. And so they told me to submit a topic.

And they, you know, they showed strong interest in having me trying to speak in 2019. So I'm not excited. You know, there's a couple things I could speak on. My biggest thing is the role of nursing and how we need to, you know, our recruiting efforts.

We need to bring more man in the field in the profession, obviously because, you know, there's, you know, we like a mirror, the diverse populations that we serve, but also because of the disparity of nursing staff compared to the upcoming and incoming population of elderly folks that are going to need nurses. And so I think that is a cultural issue and it needs to be brought about and it needs to be brought out to the spotlight. And so that's what I want to go. Well, thank you so much for being on our show.

I think that you've been describing things that we've talked about on other shows in terms of being mentored by others, the importance of being involved so that you can really be open to different opportunities that may come to you during your journey as a nurse. And so I've been really excited to have you. So you are listening to all about nursing life and the BBM Global Network and Tune in Radio. I'm Dr.

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