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Amanda Vaill — Pride and Pleasure: The Schuyler Sisters in an Age of Revolution - with Elisabeth Griffith

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America’s Founding Era reconsidered through the lives of two women as formidable as, and in some respects stronger than, the men they loved, married, and mothered.Angelica and Elizabeth Schuyler, born to wealth and privilege in New York’s Hudson Valley during the latter half of the eighteenth century, were raised to make good marriages and supervise substantial households. Instead they became embroiled in the turmoil of America's insurrection against Great Britain—and rebelled themselves, in ways as different as each was from the other, against the destiny mapped out for them. Glamorous Angelica, who sought fulfillment through attachments to powerful men, eloped at twenty with a war profiteer and led a luxurious life, first in Paris, then in London, charming Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and the Prince of Wales. Eliza, one year her junior, too candid for flirtation and uninterested in influence or intrigue, married a penniless illegitimate outsider, Alexander Hamilton, and devoted herself to his career. But after his appointment as America’s first Treasury Secretary, she was challenged by the controversies in which he became involved, not the least of which was the attraction that grew between him and her adored sister. When tragedy followed, everything changed for both women: one deprived of her animating spirit, the other improbably gaining a new, self-determined life. “You would not have suffered if you had married into a family less near the sun,” wrote Angelica to Eliza, “but then [you would have missed] the pride, the pleasure, the nameless satisfactions.”Drawing on deep archival research, including never-published records and letters, Amanda Vaill interweaves this family drama with its historical context, creating a narrative with the sweep and intimacy of a nineteenth-century novel. Full of battles and dinner parties, murky politics and transparent frocks, fierce loyalty and betrayals both public and personal, Pride and Pleasure brings two extraordinary American heroines to life.Amanda Vaill is the author of Hotel Florida: Truth, Love, and Death in the Spanish Civil War; the bestselling Everybody Was So Young: Gerald and Sara Murphy—A Lost Generation Love Story, which was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award in biography; and Somewhere: The Life of Jerome Robbins, for which she was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship. In addition to writing the screenplay for the Emmy– and Peabody Award–winning public television documentary Jerome Robbins: Something to Dance About, she has written features and criticism for many publications, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Harper's Bazaar. She lives in New York City.Vaill is in conversation with Elisabeth Griffith, Historian Elisabeth Griffith is an author, activist, and expert on American women’s history. Her biography of suffragist Elizabeth Cady Stanton, IN HER OWN RIGHT, was hailed by both Oprah and the Wall Street Journal as “one of the five best books on women’s history.” It was the basis of Ken Burns’ documentary on Stanton and Anthony, NOT FOR OURSELVES ALONE, his only film about women’s history. Betsy’s 2022 book, FORMIDABLE: AMERICAN WOMEN AND THE FIGHT FOR EQUALITY, 1920-2020, is an “engaging, relevant, sweeping chronicle,” according to the New York Times, “a multiracial, inclusive timeline of the struggles and triumphs of both Black and white women.https://politics-prose.com/book/9780374254377?ic_referral=EotnCii8p93NmTWOpQ09mD5pdJBL-Lm_JuN9aCW5OlswM_uLLMo_O1EOQurlUsStlMSvleA7AOIO2fuJC6QmNykcRS9a08e0M_bapBAfFSCcRGT9WfUThliUzdqOR0KFidZXK60

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