Amber Ruffin on bringing musical humor to late night, plus why the variety talk/sketch race needs a shake-up!

Can you imagine launching a late-night talk show during a global pandemic? Amber Ruffin can! The host of Peacock’s The Amber Ruffin Show talks to The Awardist about breaking through in late night with music, hard truths presented with humor, and beautiful bow ties. Plus, Kristen Baldwin and Gerrad Hall wonder what it will take to mix up the Outstanding Variety Talk and Outstanding Variety Sketch races — no offense to Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and Saturday Night Live, of course. More at ew.com, ew.com/awardist, and @EW. Host/Producers: Gerrad Hall (@gerradhall) and Kristen Baldwin (@KristenGBaldwin); Producer/Editor: Lauren Klein (@ltklein); Executive Producers: Shana Naomi Krochmal (@shananaomi) and Carly Usdin (@carlytron). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices