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EPISODE · Jun 13, 2026 · 57 MIN

America Spends $5 Trillion On Health. This Is Where It Leaks.

from AI for Founders with Ryan Estes · host aiforfounders.co

The real villain in American healthcare is not the insurance company. It is the hold music.The United States burns an estimated $350 billion a year on administrative waste, $266 billion of it from sheer complexity and $84 billion from fraud and abuse, and that sits inside a healthcare economy so large that if you sliced it off on its own it would rank as roughly the fourth biggest economy on earth. Patients lose their patience before they ever lose their health, and the industry has spent years selling a false binary: hire more humans who burn out, or unleash bots that collapse the moment a call actually matters.Frederik Mueller, Timm Schneider, and their team built Third Way Health on a different premise. Pair AI agents with embedded human operators, let the machines crush the repetitive volume, and free real people for the conversations that need a heartbeat. The company started before ChatGPT made AI a dinner-table word, which is why the name carries a double meaning: there was always a third way between low-tech service vendors and high-friction software, and there is now a third way between full automation and full staffing. Jamie Reddick, COO of Graybill Medical Group, lived the payoff. Over a two-year partnership, North San Diego County's largest independent multi-specialty group cut front-office costs by roughly $3 million, about 50%, while making patients feel less like a ticket number and more like a person.This episode is a clinic on building in a broken market without pretending the brokenness will disappear if you throw enough technology at it.https://thirdway.healthhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/frederik-mueller-53198a17/https://www.linkedin.com/in/timm-schneider-463a2683/https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-reddick-586691249/https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/healthcare-ops-wave/id1774334723https://aiforfounders.cohttps://inboxalchemy.cohttps://ainativestudent.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/estesryan/

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