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EPISODE · Apr 15, 2026 · 29 MIN

An apostle's plan to prevent 'old men' from running the church | Episode 435

from Mormon Land · host The Salt Lake Tribune

The three most recent presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints died at ages 101, 90 and 97. In fact (not counting founder Joseph Smith) church presidents live to an average age of 87. And the current leader, Dallin Oaks, is 93. Decades ago, liberal apostle Hugh B. Brown, a self-proclaimed “rebel,” saw this emerging gerontocracy as a problem and proposed a remedy, which included granting emeritus status at age 70 to all apostles, even members of the governing First Presidency. In addition, Brown wasn’t particularly fond of how tradition has enshrined the process for picking church presidents and attempted to change it. On this week’s show, historian Matthew Harris, author of the acclaimed “Second-Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality” and who is writing a biography of Brown, discusses the apostle’s views on succession and aging leaders. Brown “had strong feelings,” Harris notes, “about so-called old men running the church, as he put it.”

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