EPISODE · Jan 19, 2026 · 52 MIN
An Interview with Social Media Influencer Kellie Snider: Waking Up White People from The Spell of Racism (S6 E11)
from Not As Crazy As You Think Podcast · host Jen Gaita Siciliano
In the episode, “An Interview with Social Media Influencer Kellie Snider: Waking Up White People from The Spell of Racism (S6 E11),” TikTok and Instagram sensation, Kellie Snider joins the show and shares how white supremacy became so woven throughout American culture. She starts with sharing her personal turning point when she realized she needed to do the work of helping people, especially white people, understand what systemic racism actually is.She explains how although Jim Crow laws ended on paper in the 1960s, its impact never did. Laws that were implemented to “keep black people down” are a real thing and influenced racial outcomes today. She mentions how Christianity in the south was used to justify who got enslaved, and then later used to keep black people in a racial hierarchy. White churches did not just go along with white supremacy, but helped promote it. We discuss how White Christian Nationalism is on the road to replace Democracy, and now with Trump saying the quiet part out loud, what the consequences are regarding our Civil Rights. Kellie describes the “psychological wage of whiteness” and how we are on the path of continuing to engineer systems that will help racism thrive in our country for generations to come.In the end, Kellie’s social media message offers hope to our country as she courageously calls for white people to “do better.” She reminds us that compassionate whites can use their privilege to make a difference right now in the fight for American civil and human rights at this very unique time in our American history.Bio:Kellie Snider is an artist, author, behavior analyst, and accidental influencer known for her social media series Learning While White. She believes White people have been cheated out of our own history by a racist system that protects White Denial rather than fostering compassionate empowerment. Drawing from her background in behavior analysis, she helps audiences understand how social conditioning shapes defensiveness, how history informs privilege, and how facing the truth can lead to collective healing.To follow Kellie: https://Instagram.com/KellieSnider.arthttps://tiktok.com/KellieSnider.arthttps://Facebook.com/Kelliesniderhttps://ko-fi.com/KellieSniderKellie Snider Anti-Racism Sources:Cold War Civil Rights – Mary DudziakAmerica Divided – Isserman & KazinStorming Caesars Palace – Annelise OrleckBefore the Storm – Rick PerlsteinDivided by Faith: Evangelical Religion and the Problem of Race in America - Emerson & Smith White Evangelical Racism - Anthea Butler Bad Faith: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right - Randall Balmer White Too Long - Robert P. JonesThe Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America -RothsteinSlavery by Another Name - Blackmon Mothers of Massive Resistance: White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy -Elizabeth Gillespie McRaeMy Life After Hate - Arno MichaelisBreaking Hate - Christian PiccioliniWhite Like Me - Tim WiseWhite Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism - Robin DiAngeloHow to Be an Antiracist - Ibram X. Kendi How Fascism Works — Jason StanleyWhite Rage — Carol AndersonThe Sum of Us — Heather McGheeSelma 1965: Marching for the Right to Vote - Jeff ParkerWhite Allies in the Struggle for Racial Justice - Catherine FoslSlavery by Another Name — Douglas A. BlackmonThe Half Has Never Been Told — Edward E. BaptistPost Traumatic Slave Syndrome – DeGruy Send us Fan MailSupport the show
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In the episode, “An Interview with Social Media Influencer Kellie Snider: Waking Up White People from The Spell of Racism (S6 E11),” TikTok and Instagram sensation, Kellie Snider joins the show and shares how white supremacy became so woven throughout American culture. She starts with sharing her personal turning point when she realized she needed to do the work of helping people, especially white people, understand what systemic racism actually is. She explains how although Jim Crow laws end...
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