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The first episode is a conversation with Kokayi Walker, a Grammy-nominated musician and composer who co-designed the Future Money grant. We discussed how he uses technology in his art practice, And how he’s experienced the tension of financial exclusion, and his collaborations with international artists. We also explored in our chat how the seemingly simple exchange of money for creatives awakens larger issues of privacy, surveillance, fair wages, exploitative commerce, and the complexities of navigating financial exchange across borders. In the second half of the podcast, we discussed the symbiotic and sometimes fraught relationship between arts and technology, and how the Interledger Foundation’s Future Money Grant program is providing working artists across disciplines and geographies the opportunity to explore and propel discourse on the vital need for financial inclusion today. The Interledger Salon now has its very own podcast feed! Dive into inspiring conversations from our community of innovators and stay connected to the ideas shaping the future. Follow the link to listen and subscribe to the Interledger Salon today! Stay up to date with new episodes by following us on Castopod, or subscribe to Future Money on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Theme Music: Season 2: “Flow States” by Kokayi Walker Season 1 (Episodes 0–21): “Summer Instrumental” by NazAlakai, from the Tribe of Noise — Tribeofnoise.com The Future | Money podcast is presented by the Interledger Foundation and licensed to the public under a Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 License.