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EPISODE · Jun 23, 2026 · 25 MIN

Andy Burnham builds a plane mid-flight as Starmer checks out

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Andy Burnham and Keir Starmer both want an orderly transition but one day in, it's looking anything but orderly.It's a transition beset with bad blood and uncertainty and also some serious technical hurdles. Is he building a plane mid-flight or is he more like Gromit, sitting on a speeding train, laying down the track in front of him?The biggest unanswered question facing Andy Burnham is who will be his chancellor. Three names are in contention: bookmakers' favourite Wes Streeting, rank outsider Shabana Mahmood, and Ed Miliband — the bête noire of the bond markets.Patrick reports from parliament's bars, where the champagne is flowing and Labour MPs have suddenly become shameless attention-seekers, hoping to seduce Andy Burnham's allies.Steven Swinford, political editor, The TimesLara Spirit, deputy political editor, The Sunday TimesPatrick Maguire, chief political commentator, The TimesProducers: Euan Dawtrey, Harry KitsonExecutive producer: Molly GuinnessPicture: Getty ImagesAudio: ReutersEmail us: [email protected]:00 - Can Andy Burnham Build the Plane Mid-Flight?1:15 - Drama on the Commons Terrace: Euphoria & Champagne4:20 - Keir Starmer's "Revenge" Timetable6:30 - The Next Chancellor: Miliband vs. Streeting vs. Mahmood13:12 - Scrapping the Triple Lock & Upcoming Wealth Taxes17:37 - Inside Number 10: Starmer's Farewell Speech19:33 - The £10bn Defence Plan Rupturing Labour21:55 - Civil Service Gridlock: Why Access Talks Are Delayed25:20 - The Crypto Billionaire Bankrolling Nigel Farage & Reform UK29:00 - Will There Be an Emergency Election?This podcast was brought to you thanks to subscribers of The Times and The Sunday Times. To enjoy unlimited digital access to all our journalism subscribe here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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