EPISODE · Jun 12, 2026 · 43 MIN
Anthropic Beat OpenAI to the IPO
from They Might Be Self-Aware · host Hunter Powers, Daniel Bishop, Gary
Anthropic beat OpenAI to the IPO. Step one of going public: write down everything wrong with you and file it with the government. Anthropic confidentially filed its S-1 with the SEC, beating OpenAI to the IPO starting line, and SpaceX is going public the same season at a valuation in the trillions. Hunter Powers and Daniel Bishop explain what an S-1 filing actually is (a disclosure document where companies air their own dirty laundry, the way Uber once admitted it might never have a profitable business model), why companies file confidentially, and why whoever publishes their numbers first takes the hardest media hit. Then the bigger question: is this the AI bubble's cash-out moment, the five people at the top each collecting their seventy-two million before it comes down, or a sign the industry is maturing? They get into investor pressure after Anthropic's $65 billion raise, how startup dilution actually works, the expert consensus that all three IPOs pop short term and trade down within a year, and where the pension funds and 401k money fit in. From there: whether OpenAI and Anthropic have any real moat, ChatGPT's claimed one billion monthly users (per Sensor Tower) versus Claude's 56 million, the everything-company problem, Google's free local Gemma 4 models, Qwen 3.6, and DeepSeek V4 at one-hundredth the cost. If a free model on a normal laptop does most of what the $200-a-month plan does, what exactly is a trillion-dollar valuation buying? Plus: enterprise AI spend failing the ROI math, the quiet walkback of "AI will take 80% of engineering jobs," what AGI would do to all of these valuations, and why an AI employee (ask anyone running Nous Research's Hermes agent) still costs more than the human it replaces. They Might Be Self-Aware is the AI podcast from The Blur, reported from inside the dissolving line between human and machine, not from a safe distance. CHAPTERS 0:00 Cold Open (Gary's Intro) 3:17 Anthropic's IPO Filing 7:32 SpaceX IPO 10:01 AI Bubble Cash-Out 15:44 IPO Pop Predictions 18:00 OpenAI's Missing Moat 23:48 Google's Gemma 4 27:02 OpenAI vs Free Models 31:46 Enterprise AI ROI 36:19 The AGI Question 39:11 AI Employees Cost More LISTEN / WATCH EVERYWHERE 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/they-might-be-self-aware/id1730993297 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3EcvzkWDRFwnmIXoh7S4Mb?si=3d0f8920382649cc 🎧 Everywhere else plus episode page: https://theblur.ai THE BLUR Follow: @TheBlurAI COMMENT Check your 401k. Are you glad to see SpaceX and Anthropic show up in there, or are you hunting for the "not AI" fund? Tell us which one you are. You're listening to They Might Be Self-Aware, from The Blur. New episodes Monday and Thursday. #AI #TMBSA #Anthropic #OpenAI #SpaceX
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Anthropic beat OpenAI to the IPO. Step one of going public: write down everything wrong with you and file it with the government. Anthropic confidentially filed its S-1 with the SEC, SpaceX is pricing in the trillions, and the pension funds are along for the ride. Hunter Powers and Daniel Bishop explain what an S-1 actually discloses, then ask whether this is the AI bubble's cash-out moment or the industry growing up. They weigh ChatGPT's claimed billion users against Claude's 56 million, free local models like Google's Gemma 4 against the $200-a-month frontier plans, and DeepSeek V4 at one-hundredth the cost. Plus enterprise AI bills failing the ROI math, the quiet walkback of AI job-loss predictions, and why an AI employee still costs more than the human it would replace.
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