Ape Expert Frans de Waal Versus Anthropodenial

Author and primatologist Frans de Waal  talks about great apes, not-so-great humans, animal emotions and anthropodenial with Skaana (@Skaanapod) host Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung).Skaana podcasts connect you to news and experts and their discussions about environments, oceans, and orcas.Join the Pod……https://www.patreon.com/mobydollSpotify……………www.bit.ly/spotify-skaanaApple Podcasts………www.skaana.caThe Orca Bites Podcast (on anchor) ………www.orcabites.com–Skaana home……www.skaana.orgSkaana on Medium……www.orcatales.comOur Latest Orca Videos…www.jpod.news–Facebook…………https://www.facebook.com/skaanapod/Twitter……………https://twitter.com/leirenyoungInstagram…………https://www.instagram.com/skaanapod/Support Our GuestFor more on the life and work of Frans de WaalHis new book – Different – what can apes teach us about sex and gender? https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/apr/17/frans-de-waal-in-other-primates-i-dont-find-the-kind-of-intolerance-we-have His Ted Talk – Do Animals Have Morals http://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_do_animals_have_moralsAnd here he is on FacebookBooks on Amazon and Classes**Amazon links are affiliate links and support our podcast, thanks for clicking!   The Killer Whale Who Changed the World… http://amzn.to/2pRNU1q   Orcas Everywhere… http://www.orcaseverywhere.com   Paint the Ocean You Wish to See with Rayne Ellycrys Benu… digital-enlightenment.net  The Force of Doubt by Rayne Ellycrys Benu… https://books2read.com/forceofdoubtShow Notes1:30 – Intro3:35 – Defining anthropodenial.6:05 – Anthropomorphism and primates.7:02 – “That's the interesting part is we are so human-centric that we can deal with facial expressions, but not with the expressions of an elephant who do a lot of things was their trunk and ears, but their face is not very mobile.”8:31 – Are humans a “successful” species?11:05 – On human exceptionalism. “People always want to be special.”12:40 – “If related species show similar behavior under similar circumstances, you have to use the same terminology because the psychology behind it is probably similar too.”13:28 – How science’s relationship with anthropomorphism is changing.14:40 – Laughing chimps.16:15 -Why primatologists use names for apes not numbers.17:58 – Animals and grief. “All animals that have attachments can also grieve.”20:30 -“I'm not against humanizing animals or animalizing humans.”22:49 – Survival of the kindest versus survival of the fittest.26:00 – Talking about his book Mama’s Last Hug.27:40 – Gender roles in bonobos.30:05 – Bonobos solve problems with sex.32:46 – Is there resistance to de Waal’s work and theories?34:27 – His thoughts on animal personhood and the rights of animals.36:30 – How he became interested in animals and animal behaviour.42:34 – How he began working with chimpanzees.46:32 – Becoming friends with apes.47:25 – Animal communication and “dialect”.51:12 – On being a cat person. “I consider cats extremely social.”52:10 – Talking to the Dalai Lama about empathy. “I think empathy is found in all the mammals.”Subscribe to the Skaana newsletter at Substack: https://skaanapod.substack.com/Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/skaana Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.