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EPISODE · Apr 23, 2026 · 1H 20M

Apologetics Without the Ego: Joe Heschmeyer on Winning Souls, Not Arguments

from Sword&Spade · host Jason Craig

Joe Heschmeyer has spent nearly two decades at the forefront of Catholic apologetics—first as a blogger and lawyer, now as an apologist for Catholic Answers. In this conversation with Jason Craig, Joe unpacks what the explosion of online apologetics has gotten right, where it  goes wrong, and what Catholic men most need to hear about bringing the faith from the internet into actual life.In This Episode:How Catholic apologetics went from the fringes to a dominant force online—and what that shift has produced in the pewsThe ego trap inside apologetics culture: when defending the faith becomes about winning arguments rather than winning soulsPascal's method for correction: why understanding what someone gets right is the key to showing them where they errSt. Thomas Aquinas's four marks of a man growing in wisdom, and how they apply to every conversation you'll have todayWhat new converts most need after RCIAChapters:00:00: Welcome & Jason's Conversion Story02:22: The Rise of Catholic Apologetics Online08:11: Church Architecture as Theology14:28: Joe's Journey From Law to Apologetics24:58: When Apologetics Becomes About Ego32:57: Translating Online Zeal Into Real-Life Witness35:43: Pascal's Method for Winning Hearts45:40: St. Thomas Aquinas on Growing in Wisdom01:10:39: Advice for New Converts01:14:31: Rootedness, Community, and the Faith That BakesResources Mentioned:Catholic AnswersShameless Popery PodcastFraternusThe Rise of Christianity by Rodney StarkPensées by Blaise PascalJOIN 2500+ MEN READING SERIOUS, YET ACCESSIBLE ESSAYS ON VIRTUE, CULTURE, AND LIVING WELL: https://fraternus.org/sword-and-spade/Produced by Saint Kolbe Studios

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