Are We All Managers Now? - Agents and Engineers

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Dan, Angie, and Demetrios explore how the latest frontier models have turned software engineering into something closer to managing a team of agents, and why governance, tokenomics, and design now matter more than typing code.GuestsAngie Jones- LinkedInDemetrios Brinkman- Website- LinkedInLinks from the show- Agentic AI Foundation (AAIF)- AAIF Ambassador Program- AGNTCon San JoseEpisode Deep DiveChapters(00:00) - Welcome and introductions (01:49) - Inside the Agentic AI Foundation and the ambassador program (03:38) - A global slate of events and meetups (07:13) - What engineers are doing differently than six months ago (10:16) - Agentic engineering at enterprise scale and cloud workers (12:32) - Governance, the harness, and sandboxes (15:10) - Do we still need managers and the human 'glue'? (21:14) - The bill comes due: AI tool budgets (23:39) - Tokens aren't velocity and the 'AI champions' experiment (28:25) - Front-loading design versus vibe coding (30:15) - RPI and Codex as co-reviewer (34:15) - Adversarial review, Council of Mine, and Superpowers (39:34) - Robo Rev and the QA-agent pattern (42:58) - Agents, data analysis, and specifying the problem (46:33) - Are we all managers now? (48:00) - The Caveman skill and the limits of saving tokens (51:49) - Naming agents, Codex pets, and Quakpit (56:16) - Managing agents versus the joy of writing code (01:02:07) - Democratizing building and the falling price of software Click here to view the episode transcript.

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Dan, Angie, and Demetrios explore how the latest frontier models have turned software engineering into something closer to managing a team of agents, and why governance, tokenomics, and design now matter more than typing code.GuestsAngie Jones-...

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