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EPISODE · Jun 7, 2024 · 36 MIN

Are You A Thought Leader? How Would You Know?

from Imperfect Mens Club · host Mark Aylward & Jim Gurule

Mark introduces the topic of thought leadership and connects it directly with critical thinking He reads the Wikipedia definition and then connects it to the profession area in our flywheel Mark says anyone who self identifies as such is not a thought leader. The market needs to determine that Jim jumps in and brings up Jordan Peterson. He then connects back to our flywheel and the other 4 areas of life Jim then brings up AI and the timeliness of our topic He differentiates between "Big" and "Small" AI. He suggests people will be increasingly creating small customized AI's for different use cases Mark expresses some doubts about AI because on the back end is a human with bias Mark brings Jordan Peterson back up Jim brings up Joe Rogan and the View Mark says he thinks to be a thought leader you have to also be a critical thinker. He wonders if people are being thoughtful and unbiased in their responses or are they simply emoting? Mark brings up Bill Maher Jim supports that Jordan Peterson is credentialed and experience in various sciences and topics. He separates the View as a business…entertainment Mark gos a bit deeper into Peterson varied area of expertise Jim recalls his live experience with Jordan and how diverse the audience was Mark brings up JP's son and daughter He thinks JP was never intending to be rich or famous and he struggled with fame for a time Jim brings up Joe Biden and Mark shares his opinion:). Neither has much respect for Joe Mark suggests that perhaps all thought leaders are polarizing at some level. He goes on to add to what makes a real thought leader and Jim agrees Mark mentions Martin Luther King and Ghandi Jim asks Mark for examples oh thought leaders who grew fast and then bottomed out and disappeared. Mark shares a couple of examples but can't remember names Then Jim mentions Tony Robbins and Mark shares his opinion that he thinks TR is authentic but only for a certain audience (very troubled people) The guys explore the cult like nature of TR's tribe and then suggest there is perhaps cult like vibes to all thought leader followers.  His rugby teams, for instance The guys joke about "self proclaimed" thought leaders versus authentic thought leaders Jim suggests that they all are narcissistic to some degree Mark brings up Jim's evolution from shy and reticent to engage to feeling lost obligated to share. Jim appreciates and expands. We have an obligation to share what we know that can help They talk about the risk of sharing and exposing yourself to criticism Jim reflects on his sales career and feels that everything is about persuasion The evolution is largely based on the accumulation of expertise over time and confidence Jim warns of the abuse of the power of persuasion Mark chimes in with the abuses of power He goes on to agree and then brings up celebrities and Robert Dinero… Mark says real friends call bullshit on ego players like Dinero Jim says it's not what you say as much as what you do. Great leaders model. Like fathers Jim tells his story about his Japanese assistant and Japanese leadership culture which promotes leadership by action and modeling Mark brings JP back into the discussion and talks about how he walks his talk Thought leaders do what they say Jim tells a story about his friend who adds that people will see how people react to you…something you'll never see. Mark recalls that good friends do that too…tell you how people react to you Mark says if you have the ability to help others you are obligated to do so Jim adds being careful about offering unsolicited advice and he says he's pulled back Mark talks about learning how to not conclude, but to observe…discernment Jim shares his experience last night at a conference where he saw people who were so busy and overwhelmed that they can't focus on the moment and/or are hypersensitive and teed up Mark brings up his inner work with SOS and spirituality.  Success comes from being bright and loving inside…the outside stuff comes when it's supposed to.  No need to scramble and grind            

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