As the U.S. and China part ways, the Global South finds its own path, with Kishore Mahbubani

This week on Sinica, Kishore Mahbubani, who served as Singapore's UN Ambassador and has written extensively on ASEAN and the U.S.-China rift, returns to the show to discuss his recent essay in Foreign Affairs, and to advocate for the pragmatic approach that's held ASEAN together for over five decades of continuous peace and growing prosperity.4:36 – Kishore talks about Macron’s state visit to China and the controversy around his comments in media interviews8:53 – How the Ukraine War has highlighted divisions between the West and the Global South11:45 – Pragmatism: is this a euphemism for amorality?15:26 – ASEAN as a template for multipolarity19:38 – Cultural relativism, moral absolutism, and the shift in the American intelligentsia24:56 – How does ASEAN handle specific issues of U.S.-China tension?29:12 – Investment and trade: China and ASEAN vs. U.S and ASEAN — guns and butter40:04 – The Belt and Road Initiative and American attitudes toward it44:10 – Kishore’s “three rules” for U.S. engagement with ASEAN49:49 – China’s recent diplomatic efforts: Saudi-Iran, and the Ukraine War52:34 – How receptive has the American strategic class been to Kishore’s ideas?A complete transcript of this podcast is available at TheChinaProject.com.Recommendations:Kishore: John Rawls, A Theory of JusticeKaiser: The Silk Roads: A New History of the World by Peter FrankopanSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.