Hello there, welcome to another episode of the little film. I'm Tom Nolan. No, no, no, no, no, I'm not. I said it in the perfect way.
Did he see it? He did. Yeah, we should get him on the phone. We'll start the next episode.
No, he doesn't want to do this episode. He talked about it. He's like, you know what? We're talking about Andy or Arthur.
You know what? I like not being on the podcast. All the time? Well, he will be missed and we'll check back in with it soon.
He died. That's the base Andy. He was shot 17 times. Oh, shoot.
Not 17. Ah, shit. I knew he definitely did want to die like that. Um, Andy's not dead.
Just in case anyone was deeply concerned. Oh, that would be good for our careers maybe because podcast. No, no, no. I prefer Andy's not going to shut up.
No, we prefer, but it would be nice to have the controversy of people thinking he was dead and then him being like, I'm not dead. And then QAnon being like, he never existed in the first place. Oh, yeah, like, sound of freedom. Yeah.
Oh. I prefer he finds a chick and puts a rock there and then done. Jim Kefusal? No.
Andy. Yeah. I do think Jim Kefusal could use, could use on that though. I prefer Jim Kefusal to stay.
You know, I would prefer this movie was not making any money. Sound of freedom. Yeah. That'd be great.
Oh, oh, oh. I think about this. My parents, my mom said like you should watch the various and it's like, I'm not going to do that. What's the various?
The various is that, like, Glenn Beck. Was he an actor or is that a documentary? No, it's an actor. Yeah.
It's a, the various is like that movie where it's just like, just like one of the dudes is like a demon, I guess. I'm never going to watch the movie. Is he like a liberal? Is that a metaphor?
Yeah, it seems like. Oh, we should watch that. We should watch it. You know what we should do?
We should watch the various and watch Sound of freedom and watch a Dinesh D'Souza documentary. With, yeah, who's dead? Unless Q tells us differently. Speaking of which, we're talking about a Q and a movie, basically, maybe perhaps Anderson is Astrid City.
What are those pulses indicated? What? Oh, the beeps and glips. We don't know.
Some of our information about outer space may no longer be completely accurate. Anyway, there's still only nine planets in this whole system as far as we know Billy. What's that mean? I don't know.
I don't like the way that guy looked at us. Alien. I don't like we're doomed. Here we are.
I just want to grab it. How long can they keep us in Astrid City legally? The world will never be the same. That's Alien can be jumping jacks?
That's Alien at top hat? What's out there? The meaning of life? Maybe there is one.
I'm a widower. But don't tell my kids. You're saying our mother died three weeks ago. Let's say she's in Adam, which doesn't exist for me, of course, but you're a piss-cappillion.
In my loneliness, I learned to give complete unquestioning thanks to the people I love. I don't know if that includes you, but it included my daughter and your four children. Sometimes I think I feel more at home outside the Earth's atmosphere. Oh, wow.
Me too. They're strange, aren't they? They're children. Compared to normal people.
Yes, that's correct. It's true. Fetching, fetching. Don't so bust.
Fetching, fetching. Don't so bust. I don't... I don't know if you'd seen one of the things.
Did I say yes? You didn't say anything. I met you guys in my mouth, didn't say. Astrid City is basically a movie about a play.
I'm playing. Jason... I'm going to say Jason's a Vegas. Jason Swartzmann basically is a guy who's in love with somebody.
I know, I got... Just go to Wikipedia. Set in a retro futuristic version of the 1950s. I got red bed.
I don't know if that's true. That's a whole retro sci-fi. It's Jason Swartzmann. He's a guy who is in love with Edward Norton.
Edward Norton's dead now. They've made a play about Astrid City. Astrid City is just... Edward Norton's here to wrote that play.
He did. Astrid City is a play... It's like a coming of age sort of nonsense play. Just about...
What if Dad, who's wife, play about Jason Swartzmann, who's wife dies and he's got three kids? And one of those kids is in a science... One like a science competition that they're doing the judging at this place in New Mexico, I think? Is it?
Well, Astrid City where I can Astrid hit a long time ago. And there's four other kids that are there along with parents. Yeah, so be a list. So be a list.
Although, I'm a little worried about Sophie a little bit because she's taking like... She's taking a list. She's fine. But she's the fourth out of the five kids.
And Sophie a little bit is not supposed. That was not her career trajectory. I mean, I know she's just happy to be working with Wes Anderson and making these movies. But like, she also seemed deeply unhappy in Dungeons & Dragons.
She seemed like bored. And well, that's the thing about this movie. This movie seems like it's a bunch of bored people doing a movie. Hmm.
I hate it. I hate it. I don't necessarily know. But I hate it in like an interesting way.
Like I hate it in the sense of... I don't know. I was very excited to review this. To go to...
This is not going to pick up a play or anything like that. But when I was thinking about this, I was thinking about like your black or your computer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now you were just talking about, at the end of it, you were just like, I can't say why, but it just hit right.
Like Ray's now my nerd team did. And this is my number, you know, this isn't like kind of crossing anybody off my list. But it's kind of... I thought about this a lot.
It's... It worked for me in a way that the Wes Anderson movie hasn't worked in a long time. And I think the reason is, and so people have been pushing back a little bit against the framing device of like the... The TV show doc...
Like the movie inside of like a TV show documentary and the Brian Cranston stuff. And like why does he need to do this framing device? I think the framing device worked for me because it prevented this movie from feeling like a part of... It prevented me from having to take Wes Anderson's word for it, that this is part of the real world somehow.
So like, Grand Moonrise Kingdom, what was it between? There was there a movie between there? No? No?
It was like... It's like the New Rise and then... Darjeeling, the New Rise and then... Darjeeling, the New Rise and then...
Great, good, good. Yeah. It prevented me from having to like... So, to feel like it was part of the real world.
So like, I thought about like, you know, Rushmore and Railtenenbaum's where like, it's... He's presenting like a... He's presenting what we're... The audience is supposed to understand is like a very...
Not an elite, but like specific segment of, you know, academia in Rushmore, in New York City, in... Railtenenbaum's where you're just like, that's... That could be there. Why not?
This is the real world and I'm presenting this like, this is what my vision of the real world looks like. And I've always just kind of been like, no thanks. Yeah. And then this because of the frame device, it was all just...
It kind of stripped away me having to care about like, trying to place the aesthetic. And I was just like, oh, the aesthetic is artificial. And so the things that are happening in it, I can just kind of like, enjoy them. Yeah.
And I did. So, that's my issue with this movie. I love this movie until like, the second act, I guess, like where it starts... The act where, you know, you start getting the reason why they're doing Aspirate City.
Like, just, let's say the movie Jason Schwartzman making a movie, not like make this movie about like, why...? Try to mess it up. Like, don't make this Edward Dorn's dead and like, why am I doing this? Yeah.
Because it has that scene where, where Schwartzman's talking to Margar Robin. Yeah. And... And not like that scene.
He's trying to figure it out and like, I don't give a shit. But like, when this movie's not trying to give a shit, like, why don't you just be goofy and silly? Like, I would say fucking, you probably disagree with this, but I would say Tom Hanks kills this movie. Tom Hanks knows exactly what this movie's supposed to be.
It took a while for me to be comfortable with Tom Hanks in this world. Yeah. But like, he knows what he's doing. I think by the end, by the end I was okay with it.
No, but like, by when the alien came, I was okay with it. Well, because he did that right. I was talking to a, like, a watch with Andy. Yeah.
And like, you get that scene with Jack Goldbloom where he plays the alien. Like, no reason whatsoever. But it's perfect. But this movie aggressively justifies itself, I guess.
And like, if it didn't do that, it would be perfect. The second it starts trying to justify itself, it loses. It's weird because there's a couple, I agree with you, but I also think that this movie, because of it's, because I think Wes Anderson has become, or revealed himself to be not flawed. But like, he's not like, he's not a master.
He's not a master filmmaker. He's a master image maker. But I don't know that he's like, nailed, like, like, the whole thing, like, as many times people tend to think of it. The thing I kind of realized with this movie is that he does not know how to do sex.
Yeah. He wants to. Well, so, but that's the thing. So, like, he desperately wants to be like, no, how to do sex.
No, but it's interesting though, because I think, like, sorry, wrong? No, I don't think you're wrong with, I think, this movie. He doesn't know how to do, he doesn't know how to do lust yet. Yeah.
It's very awkward. Well, maybe you could argue with Andy. Like, me and Andy watch this movie and we're just like, what the fuck are we watching? Like, it's a dude who's trying to, like, make sex, I think.
And he's like, this entire movie is trying to be sexy against girls. Well, I'm not going to push back in, like, a real thing. I'm not sexy, but it's trying to be something. I think it's a movie that is, it's kind of a scurled, or a handsome character.
And so there's, like, you know, if you go on common sense media, they make this movie deal about how there's, well, we do, we look at it just to get a general sense of what they're talking about. But we made the decision again, so this will come back later when I kind of, like, round out. But he chose, he chose, like, a woman who looks, like, scurled, giant and naked. Sure.
But the nudity, so we brought, when we say that, we brought the kids to see this. And they loved it. And that definitely plays a role in, like, me, like, how I feel about it. Was that, like, they reflected glow at them, getting it?
Yeah. And they were, like, we saw it in a full theater, and they were, like, the youngest people in there by, like, 20 years. Um, you know what I'm saying? Like, kids are super special or anything like that.
But, like, the fact that they got it, they were laughing at all this stuff. Like, even laughing at other people weren't laughing at it. They got their own jokes at it, which I think is how the West Anderson thing comes about. You know what I mean?
We're like, you know what I mean? Something that's funny that, like, no one else sees. That, the nudity in it is very specific to that the Scarlett Johansson character. So it's not even about, like, it's not, it doesn't seem like anything to do with sex.
It seems like he just wanted to show somebody naked and then needed to justify it, like, narratively. Like, and I think he did it. But it also was wholly unnecessary. But, like, well, the thing I found interesting about that is he chose, like, it's clearly a body devil.
But he chose somebody who looks like Scarlett Johansson. But my question is, why wasn't, if Edward Norton's character is gay and is in love with, like, Jason Schwartzman's actor character. And Jason Schwartzman's performance is, or the character that he wrote for Jason Schwartzman's actor character, according to this movie, and the character from Ron, is like, kind of about that, like, that desire, that, like, not unrequited desire, but that kind of, like, you know, like, taboo desire? Why isn't Scarlett Johansson's character just a man?
Like, why can't, like, why can't he just straighten the character? No, you're not even talking about it. Why is it Scarlett Johansson's character just a little bit? I'm not even talking about, like, if it's about that.
Why isn't she just, we have Shrimps here. If it's about that, why not just make it about that? And that's why I think one of the interesting things about this movie is that it has this kind of duality to it, where there's the scene with Margarabi, I think, does not work. The scene with Adrian Brody and Jason Schwartzman, I think, works fucking amazingly.
But again, I'm not 100% sure why it works. It just seems like you're having a deeply emotional conversation about something that I'm not 100% sure I understand. And that's why, but because it's got this framing device in it, I'm not sure I need to understand it to understand it. I think that's my promise movie is like, there's so many framing devices that don't feel like it should be there.
It feels aggressively over thought. Why is the Willem de Faux acting school thing in there? It sucks. I don't get it.
It has one joke in it. And then it has the end part. One other thing I was talking about is Andy. This entire movie is just a joke, but it's a joke that doesn't ever remind us.
But again, as someone who's been struggling with us, and I appreciated the fact that this artifice is a joke, and so that one kid that made the laser gun, No, it's the Lee of Travers Lee. The kid that made the jet pack, him fighting this resistance thing against the government is fucking hilarious. All that stuff really works. Yeah, the inertia with...
It's great. And it's so subtle because she usually is playing a non-subtle West Angeles. Yeah, she plays aggressively with somebody who's just done with everything. Right.
And it's perfect. But it's also, again, the script is really good because she has that one conversation with Jason Schwartzman's son about... She also has that with... What's his name?
I'm not Jeremy Strong. Okay. Look it up, but we're not gonna look it up. Fucking the...
Oh, Jeffrey Wright. Yeah, Jeffrey Wright. He has that conversation with Jeffrey Wright too. It's like perfect as well.
I'm just right. There's a bunch of really amazing scenes. That speech is amazing. The alien scene is perfect.
The alien scene is unmatched in West Anderson's goofy as if you break everything down by like... Oh, no, the alien scene is fucking perfect. You know who is it after that I hate Mario? Like, Olu?
Although he's not making my favorite. And I'm like, I'm obsessed with him. I hate Steve Carell in everything. Steve Carell's fucking fantastic.
He's so good. He like, understood his character perfectly, and perfectly. In West Anderson, you know, like, in perfect. This movie is like so inachronistic.
But it, like, what's with the gun chase? You know, what's with like the Matt Dillon thing? I mean, even though that's funny. Matt Dillon being the garage, and I think this is a very good thing.
The gun chase loses the humor the first time it goes through. Like, well, yeah, you're like, what was that? And then it does again, you're like, what is this not happening? You know, there's so many great, actually probably some of the best.
West Anderson, like, tap blows are in this movie. But the thing that I struggle with still, you know, in a movie that I liked is what's it for? Like, what do we try to do? I didn't ask these questions in Rushmore.
I didn't ask these questions in the world ten of them because I knew specifically what I was thinking about. I guess that's the thing I loved about this movie is like, so Andy loved this movie. Like, he didn't love it, but like, knew, there was just a thing. And watching this movie, like, the reference of like, oh, playing something.
It doesn't mean anything. Like, sure. And that's why it works. It's like, one is just being so goofy and loose.
Yes. Because then at the end of the movie, it's just like, we are going to yell at you about something. And you're not going to understand why. Because we're not going to give you any context as to really understand.
I mean, the worst part is happening here. The worst part is the fact that like, it gives Margarabbia a character, like, be something. I'm not sure. Did you just want it to be in the movie, do you think?
Like, did you hear something in the horror? I figure. I figure the way this, like, the way that he works is just everyone loves working for Anderson. But that's the problem with, I think this whole thing is that there's people, Wes Anderson has, and he's got a lot of them.
He's got a lot of, in this movie, he has a lot of good characters. And they are, they are fictitious in like the context of the color aspect of the movie. And so they're free to be goofy and cliche, or satirical. But sometimes it's too much.
But sometimes it's too much, but sometimes it's too much, but sometimes it's perfect. Sometimes he nails it. But then there's like one to two to three, too many characters in aspects of this movie. I'm not sure why you're here.
That's the thing that I make me sad about the Sophie Lillis thing, is that like, she doesn't really have a thing. So like the first three kids have a thing. You know, Jason Schwartzman's son has a thing, his daughter has a thing, and then Stephen Chow's son has a thing. Stephen Park, Stephen Park, Stephen Park, Stephen Park, Stephen Park, Stephen Park.
Even the Maya Hawk stuff with like the teacher and that kid that like asks all the same questions and that kid sings the song and that guy comes in and like, that stuff really is the Montana that guy. That stuff works. And again, I can't say necessarily how it works, which I understand. It's like a flaw.
The fact that I can't tie it to anything, it's just pleasurable. And this movie is full of all these little pleasures, but doesn't ever coalesce ultimately into something that means anything more than like, it doesn't ever become the sum of its pleasures. It's a very serious of pleasures. But again, I went into it with zero expectations.
I actively did not want to see this movie, but my wife likes Wes Anderson, and we were just like, it's one seat of nudity. Fuck it. We'll just like, tell the kid to close their eyes and like, I want to. I appreciate it.
It's cute. It's very cute. Even like the scene of nudity. It's just like, it's, but the scene of nudity is really heavy.
And I'm only talking, I didn't remind a kid that we'd be talking about it at all because I wouldn't care. But it is heavy because in the context of the movie, she is really just asking him, do you want to see it? She's not asking him. She is asking him.
She is asking, she wants him to say yes because she wants to do this scene. She wants to bring herself. So in that regard, it's very obvious, but it is for a character who shows no emotion through the whole movie. The one time she shows emotion is that, this one action.
And she's very, it's an expression of vulnerability. And so it's not gratuitous. It's just like, it's just her being vulnerable. It switches from this very Wes Anderson symmetrical window perspective to mirror.
So clearly she's looking at herself. It's not for him. It's for her. I don't even know if he can see it, but the character anyway.
So it has a depth to it. To what? It's kind of a depth to where you dig in. What do you have there?
I'm not sure. It's for her. It's just for her. No, no, no, it matters.
It's not that. It matters. It makes the movie feel like lived in. But it also makes it feel a little disjointed.
It makes it feel a little like, it's not fitting together all the way. But maybe I'm wrong. It fits in perfectly. I don't know.
But then Mark is in here. He's just yelling at students to feel things. And then they become, again, they all fall asleep. Or then that's funny.
But like, why? Yeah, that shit just does not work. And it just does. It ends up being like a whatever scenario.
Yeah. It's a puzzle. But I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't that I was not expecting it.
I'm curious. I should read that. We're going to review that next. I can't even get the video.
Imagine if we just started reviewing movies that we are different. I saw this movie in the theaters and I wanted to cut my own head off the entire time. I'm happy to raise your pen so that it's maintained. She got nominated for supporting actress.
Yeah. She was great in it. And she's like, the one thing that, again, actually this has carried over her whole career, where she seems like the one person and everything that she's in that seems like she actually gets what she's doing. What she tries to do.
And where like, Brad Pitt's just being like, I'm just doing my big Joe Black character. But aging and reverse at the same time. And Caitlyn's just like, I'm going to do everything. And it's just like, this is David Finger.
It's too much. Back it up. Back it up. And 20 years you're going to make another one of these movies called, Menck.
And that's not going to work for me either. Yeah, but we're not working on it. I remember Menck. I do.
Cool. And then we were thinking that there's a certain segment of the movie watching the Cinophilia population that makes a make is great. Well, nice thing. It's like a drink.
And I try to make... You know, there's like random movies that are not Menck. Yeah. There's tons of movies that I can re-watch them whenever.
Like, should I watch Menck? Or should I watch anything else? Yeah, should I just re-watch something free on 2B? No, that's a 2B thing.
It's a re-watch porch over there on fire. Probably. I'll just do that. I have a 20 minute conversation with a 17-year-old about how good nine days is.
And like deal with conversation. Yeah, with the kid at work. And she seemed interested for a little bit. And then I just kept going.
And then she was like, cool. Good. I was like, no, you don't understand. Nine days, right over there, we have it on DVD.
Just watch it. She's like, ah, I don't have a DVD player. It's streaming everywhere. I have, oh, now, let's take him a password.
Just watch it. I'm like, are you doing it? I'm very proud to be single for now. Because you don't have to tell people to watch what you're doing.
And it happened to be like, man, it's OK. And it happened to be like, you don't understand. We worked out for my aggressiveness. People like aggressiveness.
You can tweet us at film people. No, go to threads. All right, yeah. We're going to set up a thread.
Hopefully no one got there ahead of us. Tom Hanks is probably there. So yeah, there's a company that makes some kind of technology called digital film. Is that threads?
No. But we don't want to offer those anything. But we do own that. And so they had to compromise.
Well, they're going to name it. So maybe they're on the way. We go on that. We have to get the first.
Get the fuck to whoever you are. Yeah. Technology company called Saint-Domingo Park as a school. If you don't want to do this on threads, you can what do you call it on threads?
If you don't want to tie us. You can thread us. Cut us. Thread us.
Thread us. Thread us. Thread us. Thread the needle.
Just a hot, just a hot, amort, rain and airplane. How many people are you going on threads? 50? Probably 50.
Throw it around. 51. Fable Film. It's going to be done.
We're pushing the boundary of the threads. We're pushing the boundary of the threads. Running. You can fuck us on threads.
That's where I talk to you next week. Yeah. I use my.