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Good. How's PRI been for you? PRI is like the best awful two days or three days of everyone's life. It's very productive. It's very productive. It's a lot of conversations. I feel like there is more like overt positive energy about the industry and sports. I've heard more people talking about this crazy idea of inclusion than ever before. How do we get more people into this? I don't know who came up with that idea. And I've heard way more like what feels like genuine, authentic, rising tide raises all ships, let's work together. I just met Chris Cabetto who runs Hyperfest.
I thought that guy hated me. Talked to him for a few minutes. Nice guy. I never talked to anybody at these shows that I think hates me. That's not ever the experience. That was an accidental meet. But yeah, it's been real busy. And like you said, really positive vibes. Yeah, it's a really good vibe. Obviously, you work for SCCA. True facts. I have a previous history with SCCA. I haven't had time to run there much besides in track nights.
We've talked to you in the past about SCCA things. Real quick, SCCA things good? I think SCCA things are really good. We're launching this club spec idea, which is like a one car does it all thing on S197 Mustang and NC Miata. And we're really, really committed to doing all the things with that car next year. We want to do one lap. We want to come run with you guys, time attack, drive the car wherever we go kind of thing. So that's a super fun project. And then working with Grassroots Motorsports to bring Ultimate Track Car into Time Trials Nationals has been a lot of exciting. I tried to do that too, but then you took it from me. You know, I feel like if you love something, you let it go. And if you're...
Whatever. I don't know. I don't know how it ends. GRM's good people, no matter where they bring that competition. Do we do shout-outs there? Is that a thing? Sure. We have time on the show. I think we have a shout-out to our boy Tom Studdard, who is now officially the publisher of Grassroots Motorsports. So the first time I met him, he was like 12. So I had dinner on Wednesday night for his 30th birthday here. That's awesome. So yeah, huge achievement for him. He's a hard-working kid. He is that. And his dad taking a step back. And we're now old enough to call a 30-year-old a kid, which feels really good. I was like 23 when I met him. He was actually a child. Yeah, I think that's true. We were at the Grassroots Challenge in 2007, I think.
So whatever math that ends up making him, but he was playing with slot cars, and I think we won the slot car kit that he was playing with in a raffle or something. That was the first time I actually met him, and now he's a different person. Now he takes our money and puts us on paper. Oh, he pays us. That's not how it works for us. Weird, yeah, that's really weird. I've got to get that deal. So, yeah, you obviously do that stuff, you do SCCA things, but you're also a car guy. I am a car guy. How is car guy life?
For you... With three kids, two dogs, a mortgage, a full-time job. I've got two that I helped create, and then I acquired a bonus kid a couple years ago. That's like the next level. Yeah, it's a real parenting ninja move. And you also do this event stuff all the time. You're at events, you're planning things, you're helping steer a big org. What's it like to be Hayward and also still like cars a little? I mean, it's really hard. It's really hard. It's hard to be a car guy. It's so hard. Fake cry. You know, what I...
Yeah, I grew up in a motorsports family. I got an autocross in the late 90s. I went far enough with autocross to get divorced and bankruptcy and all those things. Bankruptcy, too. As one does. Oh, yeah. Long story. Sometime we'll do a show about the motorsports gig economy of the mid-2000s and the Rev It Up and Taste of Lexus era. We'll just make it a different show. But what I kind of realized here in the last couple of years is that...
I'll back up. I was really intentional with stepping away from the driving in 2014. Personal driving. I had a chance to launch, to be a part of launching Track Night. We reset time trials. We did a lot of work that feels really important and valuable to the club and to the industry and stuff that I'm super proud of. One of the first places you ever talked about Track Night was on our podcast. It was indeed. Yeah, because you were the only ones that would have us. We were the only podcast. There was like five automotive podcasts at the time. I can think of two that rejected us, but that's not the thing. I would just say you were the only ones that were excited to hear about a driving program with no racing instruction. We were slumming it with Slip Angle. It was a thing. And then probably three years ago, two years ago, I don't know.
Right as we're going into COVID, I started thinking about, I've spent a lot of time in this kitchen and I haven't really eaten the food in a while. I need to reconnect with the sport, with the community. And then COVID happened and we kind of went sideways and everything. But it's tough. I mean, it's really tough because I remember being good at this. Same. And when I say I remember being good at this, it's not just behind the wheel. It's remembering to bring the tire gauge. The first time I competed at Time Trials Nationals, I took eight tires and six wheels. Why did that happen? And all those detailed things that...
You hear about constantly in motorsports the importance of preparation, the importance of focus. And I thought I could just come back into it and flip the switch and be right back where I was. It's very hard. I took a few years off for the most part. I drove a DE here and there. And now Abe, my co-host, makes fun of me that I'm a bad mechanic because I don't do this anymore. You're out of practice? I don't do this anymore. I'm not a bad mechanic, but I'm not a mechanic anymore. I'm just not. And same thing with track prep. When you do it five, six, eight times a year, you're really pretty good at that.
But when, like, you're like, I guess I'll take the car. And maybe after the driver's meeting, I'll check the tires. Right. You probably aren't going to check the tires. No, I mean, I can't tell you how many events I ran this year where, and this is really, you know, we're going to talk about cars and the car change and all that if we need to, we can. But, you know, what it's.
I found myself sitting on the start line, the hill climb, and the message in my head was, what am I doing here? And for a long time, I chased, why am I thinking that? Why is that there? Because I kept thinking about it in terms of, why is this important? Why am I putting effort towards this? And then I'm standing in my kitchen one day, and I think we've all experienced this where you're standing in your kitchen, and you know that you came into the kitchen for a reason, but you can't remember what it was. What did I come here for? Popped into my head was, what am I doing here? Same thing in the car world. And I was like, oh, it's that. It's the, I don't have a plan. I haven't processed this course. Coming from an autocross background, it's all processing with just a little bit of execution.
and I've lost those muscles for the processing and the design and all that. It goes away. It's hard. It goes away. It's hard. I might have told you this, but I've said it on the podcast a few times. One time I was qualifying for a GLTC race at Autobahn. You know, it's not, I'm a mid-pack, whatever, a couple years ago, four years ago, three years ago, I don't know. And all of a sudden I just drove off the racetrack because I found myself thinking, shit, did I call time attack to grid? Is anybody going to call time attack to grid? And yeah, then I almost crashed my car because I was not prepared. It's hard to get your head in the right spot. Yeah, it really is. So what have you been playing with? I know you had your integrity, did some stuff with.
Got back into Hill Climb with an Integra. I ran one event and decided this is not the Droid I'm looking for. Stumbled across Blake Meredith's old F-Production GLTC car for sale in pieces. Thought, how hard can it be to put together a Civic? I've done that a hundred times. Got into my garage, realized that Blake cut off every single mounting point for every single thing in the car. It's a very custom build. Very custom build. It was an EF sedan, 88 to 91 Civic sedan. And he pushed the front seat back, like what, 12 inches? About 12 inches, yeah. So you're behind the B-pillar. And steering is extended, four-mount pedal box, wild cage that goes through the B-pillar.
He brought that out to like 2017 Road Atlanta Festival. And that was when I was starting my personal build. And I was like, this is what I want to do. And mine is, my seats move 14 inches back. It's the same thing. Blake did an amazing job. Yeah, really cool fab work. And of course, I have no welding skill whatsoever. So everything that I've been done with a car has been begging and borrowing and stealing from friends. And stuff like that, swapped it to a B-Series. And Blake built this SuperTrek custom shift linkage that brings it inside the car. And it's super rad. But I needed longer shift levers. It's about three inches different from a B-Series. Two inches different, yeah. So it has been a really interesting learning experience. But going back to it, it's hard.
The car is currently for sale, just because I don't have the bandwidth for the care and feeding, and it breaks my heart to sell it. It's like a ready-built, you've raced it up a hill-climb car. Yeah, I mean, the last event it ran, it took down an eight-year-old record at a hill-climb that's been run since 1961. So, I mean, the car's good. GSR engine, 4.7 final drive, plate diff. Really cool stuff. So, if anybody's listening and wants to make me an offer on it. We do have some Civic dudes. You do have some, interesting. Yes, a couple of them. Huh. So, we'll see. So, you picked up something else. I did. Which is the reason, you picked up something that might fit your life a little more. Yeah. What's your plan?
So when does this go live? A couple weeks. Oh, yeah, we can talk about it. Perry Elwood, who's run with you guys, run with us, run with everybody, had an incident back in 2018 and dinged up an FDRX-7 real good. Right. And he got connected with Steve Ekerich, who's a big-time rotary RX-7, RX-8 guy. And Steve set him up with an RX-8, R package, all the good stuff. And Perry basically built the FD into the RX-8. Right. But Jesse, a little bit longer? A little bit longer, a little bit more wheelbase.
A lot more disposable. The chassis are almost free. The drivetrain is kind of priceless now. And for me, it's a low-mile everything. And it has roll-up windows and door locks. And you just sit down and turn the key. Can you drive it down the street? It does not currently have what is known as a clean VIN. So we'll see. But I've got 15-year-old and 11-year-old that are interested in this stuff. And in the autocross world, having a passenger seat for that is real good. And the ability to go to an event and have multiple drivers and multiple classes and stuff is real good.
What class would that fall into in Autocross? It's either a Street Mod car or Extreme Street. That's what I thought. And I get the minimum weight in either with it. Can you really? Yeah. So that's real good. I keep saying real good. I think it's real good. Well, that's fine. If you think it's real good, you might want to buy that car. Yeah. It's got a big BorgWarner turbo on it. Yep. So it's a great build. Perry did a great job with it. Matt Busby is so mad at me for buying it as cheap as I did while he's building his. He's building his for dollars on the dollar, and I've got to deal with Perry. I've been talking with Matt about the RX-8 that he's building. I think he might be glad that we're bringing some GLTC to the West Coast because he wants to do that. But, yeah.
RX-8s are a cool platform. It's a great platform. It's effectively like a big ND Miata, or NC Miata. Stronger hubs, better brakes. Yeah, the NC Miatas that ran with us in GLTC and Time Attack, often they'll upgrade to the RX-8 spindles. But yeah, great suspension, a little bit longer. Cool cars. Tying back to work, the NC is one of our club spec platforms. And one of the things that we allow there is the club spec concept is, how do we make these cars easy to own, fun to drive? And so the mod list for that spec class is not just, it's a Penske shock kit with Mazda Motorsports support.
But it also has the oil cooler, the radiator upgrade, the hub upgrade. To make a really good all-around car. Yeah, to make it as bulletproof as it can possibly be. Because if I don't know about you, I'd rather not wrench. Yeah, well, you also want to have strong hubs on a race car. My first SCCA weekend.
Garrett Dunn in ITA was in front of me, and then his wheel came off because the hub sheared off because those are old hubs. That's never made me not think about hubs and bearings. I've never thought about that on track ever. I think about it all the time. In a 35-year-old Civic. That never, ever, ever crosses my mind. I literally have unobtainable CRX VTI hubs or spindles because they use Integra hubs, same geometry, but even the spindle's thicker. It's like impossible stuff to find. My buddy in England, Richard, found them for me years ago because I saw that stuff happen. When you want to have a car that doesn't have those problems. Getting back to SCCA quick.
basic packages for club spec and what's the thoughts? They can run in a bunch of places. For people that don't know, give them the elevator pitch. It'll have standalone classing for solo and time trials next year. It's obviously track night eligible. The only thing you really officially can't do with it is road racing yet. If we get a lot of these cars in the wild, maybe we look at that at some point in time. S197 4.6 liter Mustang. That's like an all-time, all-time favorite autocross car for a lot of people. It's a lighter car, easier to drive car. Sam Strano won a whole bunch of national championships with it. He loves it. And there's Blake Meredith right there.
We're just talking about your old car. No, an hour ago. I didn't know if you were here. Blake's here. Blake's been on the show before. How's it going, guys? Blake now works at MCS. We were literally just talking about your old Civic, which he's built into a car. And may be selling or may not be selling. This is the least SCCA-focused Hayward Wagner podcast we've had. We're talking about feelings. And now we're currently talking about Club Spec, so it might be SCCA-focused. We should probably do that at some point. Master Fabricator Blake Meredith. I'll talk to you in a few minutes.
I'm a great dude. I like Blake a lot. Him and Trevor took a bunch of my money for some MCSs this year. Do not regret it. Do not regret those step purchases. They got me set up on triples for my Civic. It's amazing. They're amazing shocks. Don't tell me that. They're so good. So club spec. S197 Mustang. Strano is our subject matter expert for it. He's picked the kit. He deals the kit. And it's super approachable, right? Kony Yellows, Sport Springs. But doing all the durability things that car needs. Doing the diff bushing. Doing the reinforcement on the sway bars. Again.
Minimizing the time in the garage. Maximizing the time having fun. There's an autocross class. There's a time trials class. You can do all the things. What I really love about it is the goal of this is to get people into multifunctional cars. You can drive it to work. You can drive it on track. You can drive it on autocross courses. Time trial, everything. And that means that if you do the advanced safety stuff, you add the roll bar, you can go to race seats. And for most of these cars, you're going to get to a zero-out weight when you do that. You're going to put about 50, 60 pounds of roll bar in. You're going to pull about 30 pounds out of each seat.
So you get to have your cake and eat it, too, where you're not hurting yourself as an autocross car because you added safety. Your weight's coming back down. That balance of safety versus weight is a thing in autocross. It's a thing, yeah, for sure. And it is everywhere, but especially in autocross. The NC kit, we partnered with Mazda Motorsports, and that's a kit. You call Mazda Motorsports, you order the kit. You get the bars, the springs, everything, and it's Penske shocks. It's a single, and that's a $4,200 kit. Is that the same kit? They've sold that kit for a while, right? This is the kit for the new Spec MX-5. It's not the Spec Miata kit. It's the NC kit. Yeah, we've had a few people run NCs with that.
And so if you want to get to road racing, you can buy your NC, you can put the suspension kit on it, you can put the track safety stuff in it, you can autocross it, you can track it, you can daily drive it. You're already in the ballpark. You're already halfway there. You didn't make all the choices. Take my hand. We'll make it, I swear. Some people don't want to like...
make all the choices of, like, I don't know what suspension to buy, especially in 2023, where there's so many coilovers. This is where I think we are as a sport. There are some people that don't want to be me. Everybody wants to be you. I mean, car-wise. Yeah, oh, sure, sure, sure. I don't think they want to be me either. But, I mean, yeah, having a semi-spec setup like that is pretty cool. That was what was attracting me to be spec. I think the market is going in two equally important directions at the same time, and both of them have the word easy. It's either needs to be easy to do, which is club spec.
Buy your car on Facebook Marketplace. Call Sam. Call Mazda Motorsports. Both of them can ship you everything you need to get started. And then your safety decisions are all you really have to make. You can build it in a day. That's easy to do. Literally, you probably could. The easy-to-understand model is what I see in GLTC. It's what I see in CAM. It's what I see is these mythical one-page, two-page, five-page, whatever it is. Where it's easy to understand. It was 18 pages. It's growing. It's easy to understand. It's kind of a you-can-do-what-you-want-to space. It's hard to optimize.
But you get a lot of people that like the culture of easy to understand. And there are people that like to tinker. They like to try to build their better mousetrap. But that's not everybody. There's a reason that Spec Miata is a thing. Spec Miata is all over the world. The NDNC, everything in the MX-5 world. You want to guess what the largest Formula car class that the run-offs was this year? Formula Mazda? What is that? Formula Enterprises. Really? Spec-winged Formula cars. Sell me a Formula car. Big surprise. What do those have in them engine-wise now? I think it's the 2-liter Mazda motor. Yeah, I thought it was the Duratec Mazda.
I don't know much about those. What's interesting to me, and just a brief aside, Formula car racing. I don't care where this goes. We can talk about whatever you want. Yeah, I think that when you look at Formula car racing in the United States, we have a lot of historic warmth for Formula Ford, for Formula V. Yeah. Because in the 80s, those were awesome. Those are huge fields. It's like the first accessible stuff. And if you want to go all the way, that's what you've got to be in. Right. Well, in 1980, a Formula Ford, Formula V looked like a Formula One car from 20 years prior. Yeah, they don't anymore. Now an FE, Formula Enterprise's car.
Looks a lot like an Indy car from 20 years ago. And so there's this kind of, what did I grow up seeing on TV? I want to drive something that looks like that. They're really not that expensive either. They're not bad at all. How does SCCA Enterprises relate to SCCA? SCCA is a subsidiary. So SCCA has three subsidiaries, Pro Racing, the SCCA Foundation, and Enterprises. Enterprises builds a self-taught. FV2 and Spec Racer. Right. Do they sell the engine setups for Spec Racer Ford? Yes. That's what I thought.
And that's sealed and all that stuff. Yep. And then they do the sequential gearbox and, you know, all of it. Is Spectre Report sequential now? It's an option. It's not required. That's what I thought. Because I saw for sale ad and it said non-sequential trans. And I was like, can you do that? Yep. I sure can. That's cool, man. That might make me think about that someday. Yep. Yes. Sequentials are neat. They're not free. No, they're not. They're not free, but they're neat. Yep. So getting back to your personal car journey, where do you see yourself going in the next few years? Do you still want to steer a car in anger a little bit?
I think a lot of it is going to be about the family. If it's what the kids are into and everybody goes and has a good time, then probably. We've got a three-hill climb series in the southeast, and I'm really involved in that on a leadership level, and that's probably where I'm most passionate about driving because autocrossing is a drug that once you start taking it, you're taking it every weekend, and I don't have that space. Every Saturday is not free for you? Yeah. I love driving on track, but it's not where I've honed my skill, so there's a lot of learning to do there. How many years did you do national-level autocross?
My first solo nationals was 2000. Okay. This year I had to go home on Tuesday with COVID. So I broke a 23-year start streak. Okay. But I would say that I was 2000 to 2013. Yeah. Was probably, yeah, that was pretty intense. That's a while. Incidentally, I have an 11-year-old son, so you can figure out how. That's when that stops. Yeah, imagine. Amazing. That's super not fair. It was really more about the job and just recognizing that there's an opportunity to contribute here in a different way. When did you start working full-time there? April 1st, 2014. Okay. That's about then too. Yep. Well, I'm glad to see that you're still trying to have some fun and find a passion for it. Yeah, I mean, I think.
I think some of that is important when you're in the leadership of it as well. Yeah. If you don't, at some point in time, you look around and realize that you're the vegan chef in the steak restaurant. Yeah. Like if you're not eating, if you're not eating the food, then how do you know if it's good or not? And I've really learned a lot. I think it's important. Yeah. It's super important. So the, it is, I mean, we've talked about it. Me and Abe have talked about like this in the past. It's like, it's tough to want to. It's like, there's, there's whole years where it's like, I don't really want to. Dude, I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you this. Don't tell anybody, okay? Okay. I went and ran a Pennsylvania hill climb in September. Yeah. I towed up there by myself. I slept in the trailer. I hung out on Friday.
I took my four runs on Saturday. I woke up on Sunday morning. I... Had a great day on Saturday. Yeah, yeah. But just wasn't really feeling it. Didn't feel like I needed to do it. I walked around from watching corner stations. Right. Just kind of checked it out. You know, scoped the vibe, as the kids say, I think. I don't know. Vibe is important. Loaded the car up at lunch and drove home. Yeah. I didn't check anybody in. I didn't pull anybody out of a ditch. I didn't check any cars. Good for you. It was amazing. Yeah, I haven't had that. You should try it. I haven't had that life in a while. You should try it. One of my friends from Michigan runs a, he just runs a couple of DE's a year. You know, he hosts them. And he walks up, he says, you've got to get back to one of my events just so you don't have to work. I think it's really hard. That probably is something I need to do. Like, it's really hard for us
how recreational a lot of this space is. It's so fun when you don't have to host it. And I love, you know, I love... what y'all have been able to do in the space. I love what we've been able to do in the space. I think it's really important for the industry. But there's also, you just, to me, I think about going to an event like Time Trial Nationals and all I can think about is how stressful that's going to be. And I need to get back to a place where I can more directly relate to the participants who might be moderately stressed about their performance, but they're also, I mean, it's really radical stuff like going to get lunch. Amazing how they work. I haven't eaten and it's three o'clock. I typically don't eat at our events unless someone brings me food because I forget. You know, like going to the bathroom, by the time you go to the bathroom, you can't believe how bad you have to go to the bathroom.
Yeah. And at the same time, it should be acknowledged that putting together an event that runs on time, that people have a good experience with, that is safe and fun, and you hit all your marks, that's probably as big a rush as you can ever get at a racetrack. Oh, yeah. The after event, if you're proud of an event afterwards, that's a pretty good feeling. It's a pretty good feeling. Well, RX-8 life. RX-8. It might be fun. We'll see. Do you buy it for sure? I have a deposit on it. Okay. If we're being honest. But by the time this airs, I should own it for real. So right now, you have a Civic to sell. Don't take the engine out yet. Okay. Because maybe you'll find a buyer here. Well, what I'm going to do is list it as...
Engine still in car available. Yeah, you can come and see that it runs. Yeah, and I've got a... It's painted this gorgeous tan. Quick Sand. It's such a cool color. Quick Sand. It's the Toyota. Give us the rundown on the specs of it. Because I've seen it in the marketplace because so many people have shared it with me. I'm like, I know that car. I helped him build that on the phone. BC Coilovers from Redshift. It's nine lives wing. It's got 15 by nines on the front, 15 seven and a half on the back. One event A7s on it. So that's worth like a grand right there. You bought new tires? First time in my life that I bought...
Brand new R compounds. What is it about event organizers that run the free tires from their friends? I need better friends. My friends give me two-year-old tires. They're like, hey, you want these? I'm like, you can probably get a day out of those. Carbon hood, carbon deck lid. I think the car probably weighs about 1,800. I've also got an 89 hatch with a torsion and a really low mileage motor in it, roll bar. That's got Kony 3011s on it. Those are good shocks. I had a set of those in my CRX. A whole bunch of rotor wheels. We'll see. It's going to be yard sale time soon. Time to get rid of some things. Getting out of the Civic life for sure.
Well, I've also got the 89 daily driver. So no. So no. There's something about that generation of chassis. Is that the car that you got into motorsports with? Yeah. Same with me. Yeah. I feel like I know everyone that still has one. I feel like when I... I'm not going to do the math to just work with me on this. But when I started coming of age in the sport, and I'm 13, 14 years old, and I'm looking around, I'm looking at CRXs. Yeah. And they're just the coolest thing in the world. For sure. And I'm looking at bug-eye sprites and going, I don't really get it. Yeah. And I've come to appreciate the bug-eye sprite. But as a 14-year-old, a CRX was infinitely cooler than a bug-eye sprite. Oh, yeah. And now, for a 14-year-old...
The EF is twice as old as the Bug Eye Sprite was when I was 14. When I was probably 14, probably a couple years after you were 14, the same era, there was one in my town, an EF hatchback, red, same color as mine. He must have had cut springs on it, and he had some, like, Anki's. And I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. I love the angular front end of them. I've had a bunch of CRXs. I've had a bunch of hatchbacks. I mean, I love them. I don't know why. It doesn't make sense. It's how Chris and I became buddies because he had a CRX. He still does. There's something about that chassis, but it's hard to get rid of them. It's hard to get rid of them. I mean, they just find you. Did you get sent the ad of that dude in Arizona? Yeah, the 60 cars or whatever. Yeah, 59. Yeah, my girlfriend was really happy to hear that one was far away. Yeah. So many of my friends were like, we'll help you get this. And I was like, I don't have that. I don't have that money, dude.
Yeah, what's your retirement plan? Well, I'm going to turn 60 crashed EFs into 30 good ones and sell them for 10K each. I could probably double my money, but man, that's about a year and a half worth of my life. Well, I'm sad to see that you might sell the car, but maybe you find a buyer here. We'll see. Make a really good GLTC car. It's one GLTC. Blake ran it in GLTC. Previously, yeah. He put it into the wall a tiny bit. You fixed it perfectly. It was fine. It wasn't bad, bad. You needed a cross member. Yeah, rear cross member and a quarter panel. Yep. Car looks amazing. Blake did such a good job on that chassis. I love how it is. I love so many things about it. The front straight tower reinforcing things. Oh, you're talking me into not selling it. I thought that.
Like the front strut tower that reinforces the cross member and stuff. I thought that was so cool. Dude, will you please start telling, like, just turn the mic off and tell me how awful the car is because you're talking. Yeah, it's a good car. It's a pretty good car. Anyway, well, I think we did a podcast. You've got a plane to catch in. Yeah, I probably should. I need to drink water. I won't be able to talk anymore. So thanks for your time, buddy. Hey, we appreciate it. You guys are awesome. You and Chris are elevating the whole sport. It's really, we had a meeting with National North American Time Attack group yesterday. And the thing that I love most about being friends with you, with JD from Superlight Battle.
is that there isn't animosity in our paddocks. We have drivers that run with you, and I think that's great. It's awesome. Previously, it would feel like a cheating girlfriend. Driver running from GTA to us, they got kicked out of the Facebook groups in 2016. It's like, oh, he runs a crew life now. I'm like, that's stupid. I'm so glad that we've got this industry where it's at at the moment, like time trial industry specifically. But yeah, I'm really glad to be everybody's friend. Yeah, it's awesome. So thank you for everything. Thank you. Really glad you gave Kyle a job. We were all really worried about him. He was a broke college student, now he's a broke race car. A lot of people live in shipping containers. That's not unusual.
It's been a wild four or five years. Anyway, I think that's a podcast. I can't talk anymore. It's only midday Saturday. And scene. Slip Angle was created by Austin Cabot and Adam Jubey, co-hosted by Derek Yarbrough, and production by Abram Schmucker, who mixes all of our terrible audio. If you like the show, please rate us and review us on iTunes, and come and find us in the pits at a gridlock and say hello.