ATF Chief Counsel Robert Leider Explains the Bureau's New Gun Rules

This week, we're speaking directly to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). The bureau just released dozens of new gun rule proposals. We've examined the details of them ourselves, we've discussed them with representatives of the gun industry, and now we're hearing directly from the man who spearheaded the effort. That's ATF Chief Counsel Robert Leider. He joins the show to explain the bureau's thinking on the dozens of changes. He claims the ATF's goal was to streamline and, especially, modernize the gun buying process. Leider said the goal was both to remove burdens on gun owners and gun dealers, especially as a contrast to the previous administration's "zero-tolerance" approach to industry oversight. He said he looked to shrink the background check form down as small as possible while still complying with federal law. Leider also said he found ways to shrink the burden on gun businesses as well, primarily by allowing them to store records electronically and by reducing how long they need to keep them. He then responded to criticism that the time should be reduced even further than what the ATF has proposed. Additionally, Leider directly said the rule requiring anyone filling out any ATF form to use their birth gender is not a trans gun ban. He said even if the gender listed on somebody's state ID did not match what the ATF is telling them to put on the background check form, it wouldn't result in a gun sale denial. He also said the ATF plans to offer official guidance to gun stores on how to handle situations like that once the rule is finalized. Leider also defended the breadth of many of the rules. He said they were designed to survive legal scrutiny, which the larger swings the bureau took under the Biden Administration couldn't.Special Guest: Robert Leider.