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His 18 co defendants, including his former chief of staff, also surrender after being charged for their efforts to overturn the 2020 Georgia election results. What has taken place here is a travesty of justice. And at the party's first debate, Trump's rivals promise to support him even if he's a convicted felon. Would you still support him as your as Trump navigates his legal challenges, will any of his political challengers find a path to be plus stealing the spotlight he grabbed all the attention in the first Republican primary debate.
Yeah, Brooklyn cardio, perverted keys and people who broke it. Again, you head over to a new generation, actually fix the problem. Now is not the time for on the job training. I've had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT.
Stand up here. Vivek Ramaswamy, the millennial entrepreneur who has never held political office, is facing intense scrutiny over his views. You have no foreign policy. You know what?
I'll talk to the political outsider who clashed the Most with his GOP rival and 2024 vision. Senator Bernie Sanders issues a warning to Democrats about how to win the future. There has got to be an ideological change. I'll ask President Biden's chief rival for 2020 what he wants to see.
The Democrats focus on second Biden term. Join me for insight and analysis are former Democratic Congresswoman Stephanie Murphy of Florida, former Republican governor of North Carolina Pat McCrory, Danielle Puenta of the American Enterprise Institute, and Marcos Melissis, the founder of Daily Coats. Welcome to Sunday It's Meet the Press from NBC News in Washington, the longest running show in television history. This is Meet the Press with Chuck Todd.
Good Sunday morning. Donald Trump's inevitability, the idea that he cannot be beaten in this Republican primary has been a source of strength for him. That Wednesday night's debate, we saw what campaign, though, could look like on Earth 2 without Trump on stage but we still live on this version of Earth. And until after Trump's opponent is recognized as a viable challenge by Republican primary voters, it is a debate that may not be put on hold until 2027.
That said, a failure of imagination turned the idea that Trump could Never win in 201616 into faulty conventional wisdom. And it's that same failure of imagination now to believe that he can't lose the Republican primary that we should be cautious of. The main threat to Trump has always been his legal trolls and his campaign may be cashing in on the mug shot released after his booking on Thursday night right now, but it is a visual representation of the 4 nights and 91 felony counts against them and the political trouble they may represent, thanks to a whole bunch of unknown unknowns with the legal counter. Currently, all 18 of Trump's code defendants have now turned themselves in the Georgia racketeering case.
Two have already requested a speedy trial, leading to questions about whether they might cooperate. Kenneth Cheesborough, he's the lawyer who wrote the campaign memo that he said was used and laid out the plot to use false slates of electors to support the 2020 election. And Sidney Powell wants a speedy trial. She's the lawyer who allegedly accessed and removed voter data in a county in Georgia, as well as finding numerous unsuncessful losses on Trump's behalf alleging fraud.
John Eastman, another lawyer who helped develop a plan to use slates of false elector's keep Trump in office, is also likely to request a speedy trial as well. So consider a televised trial Georgia law of these defendants starting as early as this October and potentially before any trial that features Donald Trump starts and finalists can lay out the case against Trump for the nation ahead of the start of the primary power. That's an unknown unknown that I'm pointing out here. Some of Trump's Republican opponents tiptoeing for pointing out that a campaign year full of courtroom motions and trials might not be the greatest general election politics for the gop.
We have to face the fact that Trump is the most disliked politician in Americ. We can't win a general election that way. And yet at least six of the eight Republicans on stage in Milwaukee, including Haley, raised their hands to confirm that they would support Trump in 2024 even if he is convicted by a jury of his peers. And they made the opposition to pilot political newcomer Vivek Ramaswamy, who may be surging but is still barely cracking double digits.
Now it's not the time for on the job training. We don't need to bring in a rookie. We don't need to bring in people without experience. Had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like chat GPT.
Stand up here. You're watching America. Less that you have no foreign policy. You know what?
The arrows may have come because Rama Swamily took every opportunity on stage to defend and praise the man who wasn't there, Donald Trump. President Trump, I believe, was the best president of the 21st century. And joining me now is the Republican presidential candidate that was at the center of the debate, Vivek Ramaswamy. Mr.
Ramaswamy, welcome back to Meet the Press. Good. Dr. John let me start with the tragedy that took place in Jacksonville.
This is what Sheriff Waters, how he described the incident last night. This shooting was racially motivated. And he hated black people. He wanted to kill.
He targeted a certain group of people, and that's black people. That's what. That's what he said he wanted to kill. And that's very clear.
And I don't know that the targets were specific, but I know that any member of that, of that race at that time was in danger. Both the FBI and DHS in the last few years have said that racially motivated violent extremism is on the rise. This is clearly part of that. What would President Ramaswamy want the Justice Department to do about this racially motivated violence that we're seeing on the rise?
I think that every criminal deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law, especially when they're carrying out premeditated crimes like this one. This is a heinous crime. My heart goes out to the families who were affected by this. It is tragic and this should not be happening in the United States of America.
I think the fact of the matter is, Chuck, it is really just a symptom of a deeper new form of national division that we have created. And I think one of my top jobs as the next US President is really to lead with a national tone of character that reminds us of how we are all united across our diverse attributes. I think part of the problem is we have obsessed so much over racial and other genetic differences that we have forgotten all of the ways we're really the same as a country. And I do think we need a leader and in the White House developing that national character for this country.
Again, we also do have a mental health epidemic across this country, Chuck, that really is reflective of a hunger for purpose and meaning. What we need to fill that void, address a mental health epidemic. But this is a tragedy and deserves to be called out as heinous. That's exactly what it was.
Why do you think there are more race based violent crimes on the right than on the left? Why is this a little more pervasive, A lot more pervasive on the right? Well, the fact of the matter is, I think that there's a lot more violence that's also pervasive in parts of the country that supposedly are left wing voter bases. So I don't think this is a left versus right issue.
I don't think we should try to politicize this through partisan goggles either, Chuck, especially in the wake of a tragedy like this one. The fact is, there are ignore the manifesto dying on the south side of Chicago. You ignore the elements that allow this manifesto to spread online. And that what we're, you know, it does feel as if social media connects some of these hateful ideologies.
Well, the fact of the matter is, I do think we have two standards that we've been applying for having a conversation about manifestos. We still have not yet even seen the manifesto of that transgender shooter in Nashville of a Christian school, and yet here we're focusing on the motive. So if we want to look at this from a politicized lens, let's look at what the political media and the political establishment is doing differentially and how they analyze different crimes and create a new narrative around it. The fact is, what I said in the Nashville shooter case, I will say here, any killing, any mass killing is heinous.
We need to get to the root cause of the mental health epidemic. Address that. We need leadership that sets the right tone in this country. But if we are going to talk about manifestos and politicization, Chuck, I think it is incomplete not to look at the absence of releasing that national shooter case manifesto even as of today.
So I personally travel to Nashville to call for it. And that, I think, is the best evidence of real politicization in terms of what the public sees and what the public doesn't. I want to apply one standard for everybody. I don't want to look at this through partisan goggles.
I want to look at this through one standard. The rule of law for everybody. You believe racism is a mental health issue? Well, I do believe that racism in many cases is manufactured in a way that creates more racism in this country.
I cannot think of a greater way, Chuck, of driving racism in this country than to take something else away from someone based on the color of their skin. And so is there existing racism in the United States? Of course there is. But those last burning embers of racism.
The last thing I want to do is throw kerosene on it. And yet that's exactly what I believe the modern culture is doing by creating race based quota systems that deny people access to goods or services based on the color of their skin. The right answer to stop discrimination on the basis of race, as John Roberts said, is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. And I am genuinely worried that we're seeing a new wave of anti black and anti Hispanic racism.
Comes across, your argument comes across as blaming those that are trying to create equality for the rise in racism. Well, the fact is, Chad, I don't want to be playing the blame game. I want to be going towards a solution. And I am genuinely worried that those who earnestly espouse the view, I'm going to quote Ibrahim Kendi from his book directly, not putting words in anybody's mouth, says the right answer to past discrimination is present discrimination.
The right answer to present discrimination is future discrimination. I believe the people who hold that view are earnest about it, but I think they're wrong. And I think that's actually creating more discrimination and more division in our country. And I think the right answer is actually to restore colorblind equality, colorblind meritocracy, and embrace what unites us across our diversity instead of celebrating our skin deep, diverse attributes.
That's how I think we reunite this country, Chuck. And it's not blaming anybody else for having a different point of view. But I do think as a leader, it's my job to articulate exactly how we will unite this country. And it's exactly how I'm going to do it.
We move to the debate and a lot of people are asking this question. If you believe Donald Trump is the greatest president of the 21st century, he's running, why are you running against him? Why do you think his second term won't be as good as his first? Well, look, I did say he's the best president of the 21st century.
From George Bush to Barack Obama to Joe Biden to Donald Trump. I think it's not even close who was the best of those presidents in my book? I judged by results. That being said, I believe I can take the America first agenda even further than Donald Trump did.
I think I'll be more effective in uniting this country in the process. Look at the way we're running this campaign. I'm not leaving any state behind, any city behind, no American left behind. From the south side of Chicago to Kensington to places where traditional Republicans don't go.
I think I am best positioned to deliver a landslide election, a multi ethnic working class majority. And I do think that a landslide is what we need in this country. Not another 50.1 election. And I'm the only candidate in this race who can actually deliver that.
Look, a political neophyte outsider became president and couldn't get a lot of things done they wanted to get done in Donald Trump. Why do you think somebody with less experience than Donald Trump hat is somehow going to make the federal government function in a way that you're outlining? So I think there's three things I would say. The first is we have that experience to learn from.
I want to build on the foundation that Trump laid. Frankly, I will invite him as an advisor and a mentor. I don't want to relearn the same lessons. I want to pick up where he left off in taking on the administrative state.
The second thing is I do think it needs to be outsider to take on that administrative state. But I also think it needs to be an outsider who has a deep, first personal understanding of the laws and constitution of this country. I think Trump was in many cases duped by his managerial advisors. For example, who said that you can't fire employees in the federal government due to civil service protections.
Read the law. Turns out those civil service protections only apply to individual firings, not to mass layoffs. Mass layoffs are absolutely what I will bring to the D.C. bureaucracy.
And I think the fact that I am from a different generation, Chuck, will be an asset. I'm able to reach young Americans. I'm able to reach people who haven't traditionally been brought into the mold of Republican politics. I don't even talk about Republicans and Democrats.
And so I think I'll be able to build a greater moral mandate across generations that helps you nine Americans around the America first agenda, rather than making it a strictly partisan affair. I'm gonna bring up a couple questions. You didn't get a chance to answer the debate. Most of the candidates on stage Wednesday night said, my friends did the right thing on January 6th.
Do you agree? I would have done it very differently. I think that there was a historic opportunity that he missed to reunite this country in that window. What I would have said, this is a moment for a true national consensus where there's two elements of what's required for a functioning democracy in America.
One is secure elections, and the second is a peaceful transfer of power. When those things come into conflict, that's an opportunity for heroism. Here's what I would have said we need single day voting on election day, we need paper ballots and we need government issued ID matching the voter file. And if we achieve that, then we have achieved victory and we should not have any further complaint about election integrity.
So I would do that through the Senate. So would you guys like Pence, you would not certify the election sin? In my capacity as president of the Senate, I would have led through that level of reform then on that condition certified the election results, served it up to the President. President Trump then assigned that into law and on January 7 declared the re election campaign pursuant to a free and fair election.
I think that was a missed opportunity, but that's the kind of spirit we're going to need to unite this country rather than sweeping those concerns under the rug. 11 months ago. Excuse me, excuse me. In your book, which wasn't written that long ago, you wrote the fact that all of our governmental institutions so unanimously found no evidence of significant fraud is telling.
Furthermore, I've talked to many Republicans at all levels of government and not one has ever presented convincing evidence that the 2020 election was stolen from President Trump. Very few have seriously tried. I don't believe that most Republican politicians actually think the election was stolen. So you went from there and 11 months later your views have changed.
On January 6th again, this book was written September of 2020, if you're interested. Yeah, yeah. So exactly that chapter in the book. I drew a sharp distinction between what I did see as the interference in the election that mattered, which is interference by big tech.
I'm data driven. There's hard data showing that many voters, many independent voters would have changed their result enough to influence the outcome of the election if they had been exposed to what we now know to be the truth about the 100 Biden laptop story. By contrast, I've also been clear, I have not yet seen evidence that there was ballot fraud of a scale that would have changed that result. I'm just responding to data on both fronts.
But the fact of the matter is, if we're looking at re dying in this country, there are serious concerns on both sides, but especially on the right, about the concern of elections and election interference and ballot fraud, but also big tech interference. And there's a very clear result and a way we can address that. I've offered a clear consensus that everybody can get behind. It is practical.
And if people really think that debating this issue is a threat to our democracy, that should be an easy consensus to be able to rally around. And that's how I'll lead As president. First of all, you never talked about the tech stuff in your book. This is a new thing.
You have not talked about aspect of it. We were looking. I think you have not read. I think you have not read Nation of Victims.
Literally read the book. There is about 20 pages of content. My book, if you do, because we have been. And let me quote it again, we use.
You're referring to Republicans. We use stolen election theories as a backdoor to embracing our own victim identity path, pursuing an easy path to power. Throughout this entire book, you mock the entire January 6th aspect. You, you absolutely criticize Donald Trump for being a sore loser.
You write about it in a way of making your point that you've become a nation of victims. And right now on tv, you're doing the exact opposite. I'm not, Chuck. Actually want to be very clear.
I preached to conservative audiences last I was in Iowa, the last two days. And what do I tell them? We're not going to be victims, we're going to be victorious. Whether I'm talking to the left or the right, I say the same thing.
I've also been very clear, Chuck, and I want to be clear today that I would have made very different judgments than Donald Trump did that day and on many of the matters in his path out of office. But there's a difference between a bad judgment and a crime. And what I've been clear about is when we criminalize those bad judgments, that's an abuse of the justice system. It undermines trust not only in our elections, but in our justice system.
We have to be able to draw those distinctions. And I do think, Chuck, it's going to take that kind of leader who can actually preach truth to both tribes in this country to reunite this country. So did Donald Trump make the right judgments? No.
I said so then, I say so now. Was that illegal entry criminalize it? Absolutely not. But I want to lead this nation forward.
That is my goal. Not to look in the rearview mirror. And in order to do that, I think on the election integrity issue, we have an opportunity to put this debate behind us by single day voting on election day as a national holiday with paper ballots and governance sheet id. This should not be controversial.
And if that helps reunite this country as I believe it will, that's exactly how I must lead as president. That's my commitment. All right, Again from your book, no one likes a sore loser. That's one of the worst victim horror complexes of all.
Are you referring to Donald Trump? I refer to that chapter, both to Stacey Abrams and Donald Trump and I think that the answer is we need leaders who ultimately stand for victory over victimhood. We did have a victimhood culture that started on the left in this country. The oppression hierarchy.
My word, Chuck, is that that can spread to the right. And the way that the so called cultural war will end is not with a bang, but with a whimper where each side imitates the methods of the other. That related even some of my earlier conversation on seeing each other based on the color of our skin, I think that is deeply divisive. What we need in this country is to revive the shared ideals that unite all of us as Americans.
The pursuit of excellence, meritocracy, free speech, the rule of law. I genuinely believe, Chuck, that most Americans, regardless of black or white, red or blue, share these ideals in common. And that's what I'm reviving. I understand, but again, let me go back to quoting you.
The Republican Party seems to be moving towards the position that any races it wins are legitimate and any it loses were stolen. It's just the preferred, preferred conservative brand of victimhood. I need your kind of sore losing more common to playground than great republics. You seem to, at the time you wrote your book, believe this was potentially damaging to the rule of law.
This was not a way to have a democracy thrive. And you're now speaking in a way that gives essentially a permission slip to election deniers to believe there's some truth to something that you yourself have yet to find evidence of. Strict I say about everything I said, that was a book where 11 of the 12 chapters were dedicated to a lot of left wing victims in this country. But it would have been incomplete for me not to call out my own tribe.
And my point is, I don't want to see this in terms of red versus blue. We've created an incentive structure in this country, whoever you are, whatever your skin color, increasingly whatever your political affiliation, to see yourself as a victim. I refuse to see myself as a victim. Hardship is not the same thing as victimhood.
We are going through hardship as a country right now, including many conservatives. Hardship is sometimes not a choice. Victimhood is a choice. And so whoever the Americans that I'm talking to, I say we do not choose victimhood.
We choose victory. That is who we are. And I think we can be stronger on the other side of it. So this isn't some game of God.
I stand by everything I've written over the last three years in the books that I have, except for a few areas on facts, whereas the new facts have come up. I'VE changed my mind. But in the core theses, I'm in the exact place I am as when I wrote those books. But the point of the matter is I'm not in this race to lead a political party.
I'm in this race to lead a nation. I'm using the Republican Party as a vehicle to advance an America first agenda that I think many Americans, most Americans. That's what I need. One thing I want to clear up.
I know you've only voted in two presidential elections. Where did you vote in 2020 and how did you vote? I voted in Ohio and during the coronavirus pandemic, I voted by mail. That's exactly how I voted.
And you know, and the fact of the matter is, the fact of the matter is I wish I had one standard for everybody. But for me, for much of my twenties, I was disaffected from politics. The fact of the matter is I understand why young people are disaffected. I was uninspired by John Kerry and George Bush.
I voted libertarian that year. Or by John McCain and Barack Obama or Mitt Romney or Barack Obama started making bones about that. I actually talk about it in my speeches. Right.
I was skeptical. I was skeptical. Donald Trump in 2016. That is accurate because I had grown up in a generation where I felt like we had been lied to, from weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to the 2008 financial bailouts.
Those are Republican examples to Democrat examples of the Russia collusion hoax. So I was deeply skeptical, but I judged based on results and I voted for him with confidence in 2020. Vivek Ramaswamy, like I said, you became the center of the debate. We will be following your campaign as it goes on.
You stick to the trailer. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Jack. I appreciate it.
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Visit HyundaiHanda.com or your local dealer for details. Welcome back. Back in April, Senator Bernie Sanders, who of course was Biden's chief rival in the 2020 Democratic primaries, ruled out a third presidential bid and endorsed Biden for re election. But on Saturday, Sanders was back in New Hampshire, one of those early presidential states where he won both the 2016 and 2020 primaries to share what he called his concrete agenda for the future of the Democratic Party at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics.
Of course, when you go to New Hampshire, it sparks some speculation about his own political future. It is no secret that I want Joe Biden to be reelected president. If that is going to happen, if we are going to defeat creeping authoritarianism and right wing extremism, there has got to be an ideological change. Of course.
The independent senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders, joins me now. Senator Sanders, back to the press. Thank you for having me. So the fact that you felt the need to do this, should we read into the fact that you don't believe there's a second term agenda yet that Americans can wrap their head around for what a second Biden term would look like?
I think what you can read into that is that Biden has every right to be proud of a long series of accomplishments. You know, two and a half, three years ago, this country was in the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression because of COVID Today, unemployment is all of 3%. We're gaining new jobs, rebuilding manufacturing. We've invested in the infrastructure.
Infrastructure. We're making progress. And Biden has a right to be proud of that. The point of my remarks is that you cannot simply as president of the United States, rest on your laurels.
What you have got to understand is that today, for structural reasons that have gone on for decades, tens and tens of millions of people are struggling to put food on the table. They can't afford health care. They can't afford prescription drugs. They can't afford housing.
They can't afford child care. And meanwhile, in the midst of all of that, you have incredible corporate greed. And the billionaire class has never done better. So my message yesterday for the Democrats, not just for the president, is if you want to do well in this election, talk to the needs of the American people, have the guts to take on the big money in trust.
We have so much power. Sounds like you don't think the phrase finish the job is something to rally around, that there needs to be more than that. It's yes, you need to recognize that not only have we accomplished a great deal in Biden's first three years and he deserves credit for that, but there are so many long term problems that this country is facing. Does anybody in America think that our health care system is working and yet the insurance companies make tens of billions of dollars, drug companies make tens of billions.
We don't have enough doctors, nurses, mental health providers, pharmacists, dentists. So we need fundamental reform in healthcare. And by the way, the existential issue of our time is whether or not we address climate change. And we have made some steps forward.
But there is no question in my mind if we're going to provide a plan, allow our kids and grandchildren to live a healthy planet. We've got a lot, lot more to do. Do you think there'd be a robust discussion on this on the left if there were a competitive primary? You think there should be?
Well, what I think in this particular time, this particular moment in American history, when we're taking on somebody, the former president, who in fact does not believe in democracy, he's an authoritarian and a very, very dangerous person. I think at this moment there's got to be a unification of progressive people in general. All over this country, people are prepared to make sure that women control their own body, that we deal with climate change, that we represent the needs of the working class of this country and take on the billionaire class. One way that you make it clear that age isn't a factor with you is you're pretty energetic.
We see you travel the country, you show up on, you do interviews. It is clearly an issue for many voters when it comes to President Biden. He's a year younger than you. You have advice to him on how he should assuage those concerns in the public about his age.
Look, when people look at a candidate, whether it's Joe Biden or Trump or Bernie Sanders, anybody else, you know, they have to evaluate a whole lot of factors. I met with the president, I don't know, five or six weeks ago. We had a great discussion. He seemed fine to me.
But I think at the end of the day, what we have got to ask ourselves is what do people stand for? Do you believe that women have a right to control their own bodies? Well, the president has been strong. Do you think that climate change is real or do you agree with the Republicans that it's a non issue?
Do you think we should raise the minimum wage? Do you think we should reform and take on the pharmaceutical industry? So age is an issue, Chuck, but there are a lot of broader issues than just that. Let me ask you about Cornell West.
He was a co chair of your campaign in 2020. He's flirting with a Green Party bid for president. The numbers tell the story between 2016 and 2020, you can directly correlate the two third party major candidates, third party candidates, their collective total. That was the difference between Biden winning states and Clinton losing those key states.
Are you trying to discourage Cornell west from running? Well, I've known Cornell for many, many years. He's a very independent mind guy. He will do what he wants to do.
I just think again, I think Cornell or anybody else can play an important role now about raising issues that are not always discussed. But at the end of the day, I think the progressive community in general, the American people, have got to make a decision as to whether we stand for democracy or authoritarianism or whether or not we're going to represent working class. One of your chief political advisors is concerned that Cornel west is being taken advantage of by maybe people that simply want his name on the ballot. Do you have those concerns?
I really haven't followed it that closely. All right, Bernie Sims, the independent senator from Vermont who we saw in New Hampshire yesterday, coming out and sharing your views with us. Good to see you. Thank you.
When we come back, the Republican presidential hopefuls, right. To make the case for why they're the best alternative to Donald Trump. But the Republican voters really want an alternate panel sense. Welcome back, panelists.
Here, former Democrat Congressman Stephanie Murphy of Florida. Marcos. Melissa, the founder of Daily Cops, former Republican governor, corporate North Carolina. And Daniel Pleka, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
Well, let me start with the visual that I think will live for quite some time. And that is the show of hands on Donald Trump. Let's play it again. If former President Trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice?
Please raise your hand if you would, Danny. It was a moment especially, it like cascaded like a wave and was sort of like the most enthusiastic. Was he? That's not surprising.
And then everybody else, it was this reluctance. Well, there was that Chrissy, weird hand signal thing. Yeah. Look, I, I do see it slightly differently because they all went onto that stage having made a pledge that they would support the party's nominee.
So that they had a support convicted fello in that pitch, the party's nominee. There's no asterisk there that says he can't have a mugshot. Right. So I feel for them in the sense that they were sort of like none of them wanted to raise their hand except Vivek.
Right. None of them wanted to, but I think they all felt like they had to. How did Vivek end up the center of attention. Because I don't understand that game theory.
Because leaving DeSantis alone seemed to be, you know, everybody else really tried to actually get to the drop. You feel I'm a big Eagles fan. And their famous song, the New Kid in Town, it applies in politics, too. And he's the new kid in town, and he wants to get as much attention as possible, and he'll say and do anything to get that attention.
And he fulfilled that objective. But he also had some previous new kids in town who now have some maturity, some political maturity, like Chris Christie Pence and also Nikki Haley. And they went, we're not gonna put up with this. And that was a.
That was a tough debate decision because the more they jump on him, the more attention he gets. But they drew him. I mean, he's almost. From a foreign policy perspective, he's the Neville Chamberlain.
He's not Ronald Reagan. He's asking for revolution. I don't know what's the case, because equivalent of punching a couch cushion, you can't attack Donald Trump, so they're gonna attack BBC. That's an interesting theory.
I actually hadn't thought about that. I don't think Muslim wanted to attack him. I think he just got under nerves. He was so frickin obnoxious.
He was literally so loud, fighting at right angles, and he finally couldn't take it anymore. Who is this? Who is this? I mean, can you imagine somebody who admitted he hadn't even thought about foreign policy until six months ago, mansplaining to Nikki Haley, who was the UN Ambassador, about foreign policy?
I mean, they just couldn't help himself. That's what I think. That's what you say. You know, I think that he embodied exactly what the Harvard University calls him, the section guy.
Josh Barrow wrote about this. He's a guy who speaks in class incessantly, but doesn't say anything of merit or of substance. And everybody can't stand him, but they kind of have to still be on his good side, because one day he's gonna be running for public office, and here he is running for president. Say that this guy successfully hacked his way into the center stage of the party this easily.
Just that the information ecosystem just sort of allayed him to this center stage. I think that is exactly the right question to ask. And look, I have a Vivek style answer, a glib answer for you. Look, everything has become like reality tv.
This is how we ended up with a guy who kept saying, you're fired. And everybody's like, he's Got ashy. Exactly. And he speaks.
There's no accountability in politics. Right. He can say whatever he wants. And he said something different the day before.
No one cares because he's there and he believes he's entertaining you in the moment and he's entertaining you. Exactly. But, you know, some voters did want to see some toughness. Look what happened.
A lot of times candidates want to tell us. So nobody asked us about Trump on this trail. Here's Tim SC the trail being asked by a Republican about Donald Trump. Watch this.
You're not standing somebody who you don't accept as disagree on the foundation. And the premise of the question is wrong. I never heard you, I didn't hear you say I can't accept him as president. I'll be speaking as well.
Pat, that escalated quickly. I was stunned that Tim Scott sort of almost went after the vote of the court. Didn't seem like he was being angry. He knew he was being filmed and he also knew he didn't want to irritate the Trump base.
And that's, Listen, I'm an example of that. I had a 30 point lead at one time in the US Senate race and the minute Trump went against me, I dropped. That's the power of Donald Trump. And the interview you did earlier with the new kid in town, he's talking about a revolution.
While in the same interview he also said he's gonna change the tone. I mean, that's within 48 hours. Stephanie, you represented one of the swingiest districts of the country, people here. Well, you know, one, I think that was like a mistake.
I mean, you never engage with your voters that way on camera or not. I mean, that's just a rookie mistake in engaging with voters. But in a swing district, you know, I think they are really wondering why we're faced with these two options. Like, and this debate was sort of separate from what the presumptive nominations are gonna be for both parties.
And, you know, we're a country of 300 million people and we don't have better alternatives. I wanna bring up one other thing about our Iowa poll that was funny because I think it tells us the way the Republican Party has changed. Let me show you what the makeup of the Iowa caucus, the Republican caucus electorate was in 2016. It was 50 50, slight advantage.
Male 52%, 48%. According to our fold we released this week, the likely Republican electorate is now 61% male, 39% female. This is the Trump effect. Whatever we want to talk about, this appears to be the Trump effect.
Well, that More men are turning out. But I think it's interesting that you don't have any breakdown there. So I don't know what the same. It's all the same except for gender.
Everything else is the same. On ideology and college education, it is. We are seeing more men identify as Republicans and more women not. Well, that's something that the Republican Party needs to know with because there are a lot of women in this country and we just had the Summer of Barbie and Taylor Swift tour.
I mean, women are having a moment in this country where they have an economic impact. They are having a voice and they are, they're going to want to go to the polls and reflect. I think that's why I thought Nikki Haley did a good job in presenting that face. She potentially has room to grow.
She could somehow get one to show up. So there's a lot, you know, everybody's going after Trump, right? But if you look at primary polling, Trump's around 50, 52%. Half of the party is in the board now.
There's 10 people spend the rest of the vote. That's a problem. But if you can consolidate. Well, you have allowed me to tease really well to write down about.
We come back. There is a divide in the Republican Party among voters who believe President Biden was legitimately elected. To those who still believe Donald Trump's thoughts, we're going to show you what we learned from that split inside the Republic electorate in Iowa state of Download test. Welcome back.
It's stated Adams. There are a lot of ways to try to understand the 2024 public and primary electorate. But we have some new data that suggests one of the more crucial splits, maybe between those Republicans who believe Donald Trump won the 2020 election and those who don't believe and actually acknowledge that the former president lost. Let me show you here.
It's almost a pretty even split and barely a majority believe Donald Trump's false assertions. 41% of high Republican caucus voters do not believe Donald Trump's claims. And you know what? It leads to some interesting splits.
Your favorability of Donald Trump depends on whether you believe them. Those that believe a 92% favorable rating. Those that don't believe them, just 30% have a favorable rating here, as you can see, DeSantis, Scott and Mamaswamy all have more evenly divided favorable ratings among both groups. In theory, they might be able to unify the two groups.
Donald Trump, not so much. Shows you a potential way to build a coalition. Look at the divide between these two groups again, 51, 41 here gun enthusiasts much more likely to be a gun enthusiast if you're in the believe category. 40 not believe religious affiliation Word of Valley Religious those that believe Donald Trump's lies.
You're more likely to be moderate if you don't believe Donald Trump's lies about the election. And as you can see here, the biggest divide among these those that believe and don't believe your college education status. Nearly 60% have a bachelor's degree. Among those that do not believe Trump false assertion.
And it also leads to some interesting splits on some key issues. Use of military at the border, gender affirming care ban for minors. As you can see here, significant divides. But among the most significant might be the idea of more aid for Ukraine.
Just a quarter of those that believe Trump's lies support more aid for Ukraine. Over half who do not believe Trump's lies support more aid for Ukraine. So as you follow this primary season, keep track of those that believe the election election lies, Donald Trump and those that don't Inside Republican members Monday will mark the 60th anniversary of the March on Washington where nearly a quarter million Americans gather in the National Mall in the fight for civil rights. Some of the event passes the day Dr.
Martin Luther King Jr. Delivered his Iowa Dream speech where he brought attention to race relations, police brutality and voting rights, the same issues were still dealing with today three days ahead of the march. Dr. King responded to some of his critics right here on the press.
I'm sure that many whites, both north and south have the feeling that we are pushing things too fast and that we should cool off a while, slow up for a period. I cannot agree with this at all for I think there can be no gainsaying of the fact that the Negro has been extremely patient. We have waited for a well known 345 years for our basic constitutional and God given rights and we still confront the fact that we are at the bottom of the economic ladder. I think instead of slowing up, we must push at this point and we must continue to move on.
And I'm convinced that our moving on will not only help the Negro cause, so to speak, but the cause of the whole of America. Because the shape of the world today just doesn't permit our nation the luxury of anemic democracy. Those words may be 60 years old, but they have an impact today. When we come back, who has more to lose?
Third party candidate jumps into the presidential sense welcome back. So let's look at a Biden general election campaign and this idea of a third party. Pat, you are A big part of the labels. You guys are recruiting candidates.
What does this ticket gonna look like? And is this a 100 commitment that there's gonna be a ticket from the labels? Well, Nikki Haley in the debate confirmed that 65% of the people are disgusted with both Trump and Biden being our only choices. They're asking, isn't America better than this?
Can't we have a better choice? And the momentum, the movement no Labels is on fire right now. People are looking for another. There are a lot of people, I'm telling you right now, there are a lot of people who predicted Trump would never be present are the same.
People are saying there's no way in hell a third party. I'm telling you, we've never had 65% of the people. No Label is literally a movement that says we stand for nothing. Imagine going to Walmart, Target and see no Labels.
The issue statement ignores abortion and it has such barn burning issues such as medical tort reform that'll light up the audience. You have not read. So the reality is it's finance industry heavy. Oh, I read.
No, I actually did read it last night. So the problem isn't, isn't, oh, they don't like, you know, Biden or Trump, is that you are creating this idea that there's a mythical unicorn creature that will agree with these people who want something else that doesn't exist. When Magellan pulled mansion in Huntsman like it was like what, 12%? And now you don't get that much.
I don't know. I will say, and again, this is, this is anecdotal conversations at my house. Does that reflect the country? I don't know.
But, but I will say that none of us want to vote for Trump and none of us want to vote for Biden. No, I know who you want to vote for, dude, that was my question. But average people, average people, my house don't want to vote for Biden, don't want to vote for Trump. And I don't think it's crazy.
We do want to vote for somebody. Stephanie, you were ideologically in the middle. I wanted some ideological person. We got a lot of it here.
So where you want. Well, I think I agree that when I have conversations with people in the swing part of what used to be a swing state, they say, you know, both presumptive nominees are running on a I'm better than the alternative campaign. Right. What if Biden said in the last campaign, don't judge me against the Almighty, judging against the alternative, that's not going to be enough because people are saying to themselves why are these are only alternatives?
Biden has to give people a reason to vote for him, not just voting against Trump. Are you comfortable that there is a Democratic primary? Would you like to see Biden have to? Biden's actually very popular amongst Democrats and six exploring Biden around 80% with Democrats.
There's no space. You think there's no space for anti Trump. There really is no space for an anti Biden. And I mean just talk about neo popularity.
You see right now Republicans going to groundbreaking ceremonies for build back better and for inflation reduction act because taking credit for projects that they voted against. I actually would say that there's not competition because a lot of these people are younger and the benches are younger and they're preserving their ability to run in the future and they don't want to go up against the same president. That's how you can give us some names because you know, mansion announcement, that's not going to get you your unicorn. I'm just saying I don't think there's going to be.
I don't think there'll be a shortage of candidates because we want to go through a good process. We're going to have a convention in April and we're going to be very transparent with American people. We were with the 30 issues, common sense issues. What's that?
Who's the funding? The same people who have groups that are funded with moveon.org that are trying to stop us from getting on the ballot. This is a discussion that has to end because of time. But it will not end.
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