everybody to slip angle show i'm austin cabin man that's a familiar voice i think i've been on the podcast with this guy before so much like you guys like pre-recorded it you just drop it in yeah that would ai austin austin chatbot austin chatbot that'd be great uh what's going on boys it's been a long time i feel like you do like maybe one show a year with us at these points or at this point yeah if we're lucky though our release schedule is pretty sporadic so maybe we only do two or three shows a year anyway well when we when we get through this show if we talk about all the topics that we have like people might understand why our release schedule is There's a lot going on, guys. A lot going on. So where do you want to start? If I sound even worse than normal, it's because I'm on the backside of a flu. So that's fine. I think everyone on the planet has the flu right now. Everybody has the flu. Like the amount of snot that's came out of Jabay noses in the past three weeks is not a tiny amount. So where do you want to start?
Allison bought a TSX. I did buy a TSX. My first car in nine years. The 911 is like a collector piece. It's like a car that you have on the wall that you take down and look at occasionally. Is that the only other car you have then, is the TSX? No, we still have the Mercedes. And then this summer we bought the 2019 Ram 1500 from my mom that my dad bought like a month before he died. So we've got a couple cars, but I wasn't planning on buying a car, to be honest. I was completely happy with motorcycle stuff.
One of my friends decided that he was ready to buy a boat and wanted out of this TSX that he's had for about a year. One of our other buddies had bought it in 2019, like 90,000 miles in 2019. It's a royal blue purple. Sorry, royal blue pearl. It's like the really dark blue TSX, not the arctic blue that you see a lot. Black interior, six speed, has some nice parts on it. The body's straight, no rust. 134,000 miles on it.
So it's kind of hard to pass up. And right now, some days I'm driving 80 to 120 miles a day back and forth to the airport a couple times. Yeah, I mean, it's 40 miles round trip for me to go to the airport. Oh, okay. Where are you flying out of? Mickey Tyson. Where's that at? Okay. I've seen that on a map. It's such a memorable name, but I can't remember where. What's flying look like nowadays for you? I've been flying a ton, to be honest. Right now, I've been working for a company that contracts with Cirrus detailing airplanes.
So I'll go in like 5 in the morning and be done by 8.30 in the morning. And then I'll go in again in the evening. Because during the day, the delivery hangar where people are presented with their new aircraft is pretty booked up. So we can't really do any work. And literally, like the planes are already washed. They've been slightly detailed. And then me and my buddy Daniel, Daniel does it full time. I just do it part time. But we go in there and do a full paint correction on the plane before it gets delivered to the customer. Really? So, yeah, it's pretty easy. I mean, the hangar is air conditioned and heated. And we're just running nice buffers, like wide open. What made you step away from full time at Circe?
Things were a lot different there than they were when I had started. The company was growing, so things were just changing a lot. The flying club changed a lot. Prices went up. Availability was going down. So it just didn't make a whole lot of sense. Plus, I couldn't do that Alaska trip if I would have stayed. So six weeks of time off is kind of hard to string together all in one go. You still got to do Austin Cabot things. You got to be yourself, man. What was the trip to Alaska? I ended up, I left here and just rode all the way.
Trying to think all the way up to this was back in like 2024. So it's been almost a year and a half now. But went all the way up. There's two highways. One's called the Dimster Highway and the other is called the Dalton. They're both dirt and they both go to the Arctic Ocean. One's in Northwest Territories of Canada. And then the other pretty much goes to Dead Horse Alaska. And I ended up doing both of those on that trip.
Couldn't pick one, so I did both. It's only like an extra 10,000 miles. Honestly, I only knew the Dalton Highway existed in Alaska. Granted, I didn't really plan a lot of this. About three weeks before I left is when I seriously started planning and figuring out where I was going to go. Even then, when I left the house, I didn't really have a route. I was just like, okay, how am I going to get out there? That's so crazy. It's not that bad. I mean, it's just to get on a motorcycle and go. It's so cool. I love that. Well, the hardest part is leaving the house, right? After you leave the house, everything else just kind of falls in place. And if anything bad happens, I got a credit card. It's fine. Do you camp most of the time?
Yeah, so I was gone for 36 nights and I camped 28 of them. That's great. All my camping camping kit and everything. But it was a really good time. Good. So what's your wife? What's your wife think nowadays about a trip like that? Probably won't be able to do that again. No, too far. Maybe, maybe. But at the moment, probably not. I got to start working and put some additional money in the bank.
Like that's the thing, like I'm not really making it, like I'm making part-time money right now. So buying a TSX was kind of like, you know, spending a chunk of my savings that I probably didn't need to. Yeah. But I got to thinking about it. Like I, cars brought me so much joy and brought me into such a strong community. And then all of a sudden, like, I just didn't have that anymore. And I felt like something was missing in my life and I didn't quite know what it was. Like, I love flying. Don't get me wrong. But like the type of people you meet at the track and around cars and stuff are just different than airplane people.
There's nothing wrong with airplane people, but, like, the amount of money that people spend, like... Oh, it's nuts, dude. Yeah, I mean, I feel like the car thing is so much more approachable to people of all walks of life than aviation is. Talking with my brother about planes, my brother's, like, very DIY, like, he's very good at it, but, like, the money that flows into an airplane, like, even the low side is, like, okay, well, here's a small addition on any home, here's a new car, like, that's the level of dollars you're talking about, it's out of control, crazy. Yeah, it's ridiculous, and I mean...
Like, you can't, if you have an airplane, you can't even really find a hangar right now. The wait lists are ridiculous. Yeah. And, you know, if you're buying a nice airplane, like, you don't really want to, like, tie it down outside on the ramp. No. So, I don't know. It's a sport that keeps growing. Airplane ownership could be in the future, but I don't know. I feel like I have a lot more in common with people that are into cars than I do people that are into airplanes. Do you think you're going to see yourself back at a racetrack?
Uh, I mean, I'll definitely see myself there. Uh, I'm not sure if I need to drive on the track because, uh, that's just a bad idea. Just knowing, knowing me, like all of a sudden this TSX will be fully caged and it'll be a race car. And I just don't need that in my life. Not at the moment. I can be there and be around it. I'm actually going to a Jayzilla day, March 28th at Rhode Atlanta. My flight instructor that did my instrument rating is doing his first track day. And when he was talking to James, he mentioned that he knew me and James was like, Oh, bring Austin. Like he can ride in the car with you and help you out. Like, okay, cool. Yeah. That's cool. That's cool.
Yeah, so it's going to be fun. But to be honest, like, having been away from it for so long, I feel like that movie Blast from the Past, where, like, I've been underground for years, and I pop out and, like, everything's different. Now, that's a good Brendan Fraser movie. Yeah. I can't remember that movie, but I remember, like, the poster for it. So, essentially, Brendan Fraser's parents, like, had an underground bunker during the Cold War, and, like, and they went down to the bunker, and they never got word that all was clear. So, they lived down there for, like, the first 30 years of his life. And he, like, he comes to the surface, and everything is, like, completely different from what his parents taught him.
Yeah. So, but that's what all this stuff feels like to me. Like, yes, the tracks are the same, but there's some new tracks. Some procedures are different. Tires, technology, everything is just so much different than it was, especially back when I was driving. I didn't really drive on the track much after like 2015.
Yeah, the it was probably about 10 years ago when you stopped driving driving. Yeah, and then just started running events. So I was still around it. But even now, like people are talking about tires. I'm like, dude, I have no idea what you're talking about. Like, what is that? Like, give me my Dunlop Star Specs back. I was just talking about Star Specs with somebody, man. What a great tire that was back in the day. Oh, yeah. It turns out Dunlop doesn't even make anything in that category anymore. Yeah. My first set of track tires were Star Specs, actually. Star Specs were great. It was a really good all-around tire back in like 2012, 13, 14. The Z1 Star Specs I bought and did my first track day on in 2010.
And those things were freaking awesome. At least for back then. Yeah. I mean, they were the 200 treadwear tire wars were like way different than they are now. Now it's like the, the amount of stuff that is like so good and so fast is ridiculous. And, and you're getting done in a new show. Like, Oh, I really, they both run the same lap time and one does this different. Like it's, or this does that different or like it's dumb. Like it's, it's kind of like the new vehicle landscape where everything's pretty much the same. It's just like, you're just buying it for infotainment. Yeah. And which one will rub, which, which one has seats that'll, that'll heat nicer. You know, that's how you choose your car nowadays.
But I do think I'm going to make more of an effort this year to attend more events just to be there. Like, I don't necessarily need to drive, but just to be there and hang out. So thinking about potentially coming to CMP. Cool. Because it's, I mean, it's one of the closest ones aside from Road Atlanta. Road Atlanta is going to be wild. I don't know if I'll be able to make it to that one, but. It's a busy one with all the FD stuff in. We're trying to do, like, 10 pounds of things in a five-pound bag, like, two really busy days. But that was a cool event last year. If it hadn't rained, it would have been, like, actually completely awesome. It did rain quite a bit on Saturday, but it was a fun event.
Any big changes to any of the rule sets this year? Not a ton, ton. What did we do in TC? We gave TC a horsepower cap to sort of nudge some of the big horsepower stuff to GT or to have it detuned some more. But that's kind of like the biggest change. What did we do in time attack? I can't even quite remember. My brain's been a little scrambled lately. Well, actually, I would say that if we wanted the answer to that question, we should probably talk to you and John. I was more removed for the rules revisions this year than I would typically be.
i uh have been we didn't do a ton we didn't really do a ton in time attack but no the last couple of years austin for me have been quite busy as i'm like i i took an assignment out of r d um a couple of years ago and worked on a big annoying problem for a couple of years and just recently got reassigned to a different big annoying problem uh last month so yeah it's day job is like a real day job Doing my best, man. I guess you're having success at solving big problems. Well, I got my Six Sigma Black Belt certification, I guess, in October last year. And kind of what I'm working on now is more problems of a similar type, I guess. Okay. And you can kick your ass. No, not that kind of black belt.
But yeah, it was weird. For anyone not on the production and manufacturing universe, Six Sigma Black Belt is rooted in the Toyota process engineering scheme that they developed, I guess, in the 70s, I think, for process optimization and lean manufacturing, all of those things. Big companies that make things can sponsor employees to run pretty significant optimization projects to demonstrate competency, but also certify that you're... now an expert in process optimizations and things like that. So when I started my career, this was something I really wanted for my own personal development. And I've been now a professional for 12, 13 years, and I was able to accomplish that goal in October. So that felt pretty good. So is Gridlife going six sigma now? Probably should. Yeah, 100%. I actually talked to Michael Hershen about process optimization on the selling of merch at Midwest Festival, because I do think there is an incredible opportunity there to make things go fast.
Yeah, long lines aren't the best thing for selling. Now, having a line is good, but having the line be so long that some buyers would say, no, man, that line's too long, that's bad. So is it going to be like Jimmy John style, like Freaky Fast? That would be cool. I would love it to be. I mean, practically, you want everybody to have the ability to buy the things they want to buy without the headache, right? Yeah, we would love if they would become walking billboards for our company. That would be awesome. Love it. What's new with you, Adam?
What was the last show we did, Abe? I confessed that I bought a crappy old Porsche. I think so, yeah. And you had not told your wife, actually. That was around the same time that I had bought a bike. Oh, yeah. Well, I told her. Yeah. And in our group chat, I told Austin a couple weeks ago. But yeah, I bought a 99 911, the unloved generation. Engine was out of it. Sold the engine when I got it back here. The engine wasn't 100%, but it just had the heads redone, which is a common problem. They cracked the heads. So I sold the engine for a couple grand, which was great to replenish the monies. And I was going to put an LS in it.
and my buddy tall kyle who's been on the show a few times years and years ago um he's recently got into these things a couple years ago like three two three years ago he bought one and he swapped a 2.7 audi motor into his uh which is a kit that's made um by a company called ren 27 and so it turns out the 2.7 audi motor like if you're a volkswagen or audi guy you're like no way that motor rules it turns out that motor is like loved and people swap them into like all kinds of different audis too um but it's five valve v6 uh it sounds so good and they're like essentially free because the cars that they're in like have plastic coolant lines they're hard to work on like the timing stuff is dumb and they develop bunch of leaks and like like they become effectively like free engines because you like buy a thousand dollar car with a bunch of problems it's not like the long block it's sensors it's dump stuff you know that's the motor that was in like the v5 s4 and s4 bond and like yeah and yeah all road and i think a6 is at them too so okay of that same era but they're good for like 500 600 horsepower um and so we put in the car with the with the adapter kit uh i think i think we had 600 bucks into the engine um
couple of like six hundred dollars for them yeah these motors are like free you buy a thousand dollar car you part the car out you could be like you'll be into the engine for negative money that's how that's how that's why that's the big and they're strong and they're still like sick engines actually well the hardest part of like maintaining them is pulling the motor out and having to work on it but if you're actually the hardest part yeah yeah but if you actually already have it out to put in another car it's like a perfect time to refresh it yeah and from uh from the bottom on the 911 like you can touch every inch of the motor basically like they're easy to work on a 911. And you, like, you upgrade all, like, the dumb little stuff. Like, you put the metal coolant pipe in the back instead of the stupid one. And, like, you change this. You block off that port. You eliminate some of the sensors that are a problem. The wiring, like, they have the same plugs on the wiring harnesses. You just gotta, like, swap around half a dozen plugs, and it plugs into the Porsche factory, like, body harness. This company sells, so this was a new, like, term to me, a DME, which is, like, basically your body control module for anything Volkswagen or anything German, I mean. So they sell a custom DME.
that like integrates all the things so that like all the gauges work um i have the first microprocessor one and so like it's like fully controllable it's basically like a standalone for like the chassis um and they're like still kind of in development yeah like everything works great it's got freaking rolling anti-lag it's got all the cool things a couple big gt turbos uh and it's laggy uh and it's so fun to drive because it's like exactly the street car that i like daydreamed about when i was 19. um and it's like pretty and it's like in good shape and it rides really nice it does have feel coilovers on but like they're they're incredible they're the best coilovers ride wise that i've ever had on a street car um I'm, like, really, really into it. And Sarah and I went on a date on Friday night with it. Like, she liked it. Emma thinks it's the coolest thing in the world. She, like, wants me to take her all over the place in this dumb car. She calls it the wiener dog. Why? She says it looks like a wiener dog. It's got a long face or something. I don't know. That's a custom plate, dude. It just needs to say wiener. Yeah, I'm getting extended antique plates so that it's just got, like, cheap renewal and everything. But it's going to be my 365-day-a-year car. Just don't tell the DMV. When it's registered as an antique in Illinois, do you have to do emissions or no?
Uh, no, um, you're not supposed to drive it between December and February unless it's like going to a show or going to a, to a service center. But those are the only restrictions is like December to February, which like, I don't know why they would care, but, um, no mileage restrictions, no emissions, cheap renewals. I think renewals are 45 versus like 112 or something. Um, and I don't drive that much. I walk to work every day, but, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm really into having a street car. I didn't realize how many, you had said something about like missing, you know, part of it, you know, like it's been so long since I've had a, a car that I was like stoked to like take Sarah out on a date in.
or like go drive around with my buddies and meet up in a parking lot it's been so long i didn't realize that like i missed that part it reminds you what it was like when like you first got into cars yeah and also like you just get to have all those like all those conversations just like bsing with your friends in parking lots like those were some of the longest best nights that i like ever had growing up and like you know you get the group of buddies who like oh we're gonna go like we're gonna go to the cruise over the cruise night over at tinley which happens every tuesday night in summer and i'm like yeah i should register the civic i'll take the civic over there and like that hurdle of like registering the civic like kept me from doing it and i didn't like the fit that much i liked it but like it's a multi it's like multi gradated pink civic fit i mean like it's a honda fit that's like two different 27 different colors of red and like it drove great by the time i got it done and i sold it but like sold that sold my trailer and like i got a streetcar again and i think i really needed that i needed that to be like stoked about the sport even or like the concept of like being into cars because that was like most of what got me stoked about it was cruising around with my buddies you know like so i'm really excited i'm really excited about it like
Today, Sarah forgot a bag. So like before work, I like drove to her. I drove 20 minutes to her work and brought her her bag. And it was like a great way to start today. Just getting a loud old Porsche driver. So in like the scheme of swaps that you've done in the past, though, this one actually sounds like it was one of the easier ones. We did like the reason Kyle sold it, sold me on it was like, he's like, I got all the stuff here. Like, you just bring the car out. We'll like put it all in that car instead of this other car because he had bought.
a 996 cab like a convertible and he was gonna 2.7 swap it and then sell it like he bought it uh with the engine the engine was out the trans was bad like he bought the car cheap and was just gonna put the he was gonna build it and then sell it and kind of make some money on it so he literally had like all the stuff and he even had like the charge pipe mocked up he had the intercooler was mocked up he makes his own intercooler for its air to water uh front mount radiator you gotta run three quarter inch coolant lines there's a water pump under the chassis um but like that's all controlled by the dme also like the water pump isn't like i don't have like a big dump switch you know like it's literally controlled by the computer um he repurposes the uh secondary air injection air pump thing off the m96 and now that wiring runs the electric water pump and like it's really well thought out and this is the third setup he's built for one of these um so he's figured out a lot of little details uh cuts the rear bumper beam like cuts most of it out and then welds in a giant huge box and that's the water tank for the air to water so it's got a huge water tank um and a big big big radiator up in the front you gotta cut like a little it's got side radiators but it's got an area you can put a center radiator in if you like cut the grill out for it so we had to cut the grill out and we mounted a center radiator but that's just for the air to water so how much weight does it add to the car
Supposedly, it's the same weight, even when you add turbos and air to water. It's probably a little heavier when you factor in the weight of the water. But it's very negligible. The swap, with an air-to-air, supposedly the swap is the same weight. Like an air-to-air on one side and a single turbo on the other. Supposedly, the swap's the same weight as just an OEM 996. That's pretty rad. It's a very compact motor. What's that? Is AC and heat and all that stuff hooked up? Yeah, AC hooked up. Everything's working. Cruise control works. It's freaking so good.
It's perfect. Yeah, I'm real stoked about it. It's got me, like, it's got me, like, actually, like, into cars again. I didn't realize how far down the, like, sick of it rabbit hole I was until semi-recently. And, yeah, like... Well, I saw you put your race car up for sale. We should talk about that, too. I did. It's probably not going to sell. I mean, I'm sure it's still going to be here. But, like, I was really sick of racing.
When I put it up that day, I was, like, mad at racing about something. But I mainly put it up just to see if there was any actual interest. You're kind of a moody bitch. Has anyone ever said that to you? Yeah, yeah, might be a bit of a moody bitch. But also, like, everything's for set for the right price, I assume. You sold your race car, Abe. Austin sold his. I did. I can't even list mine. I list mine and I get 300 comments of, like, don't sell it. Somebody hide it in the garage for him. Oh, that's fine. It would really bum me out if I went to Honda meet and I didn't have my car. So when you talk about, like, selling your race car, which one?
Well, the Porsche won't ever be a race car. I'm not going to check. Yeah, but like selling a car. Which car were you talking about? My EF hatch.
What? You're selling that? No, it's listed for sale. It's not going to sell. I never thought I'd see the day, man. Yeah, I've said many times, like, what would be the point? I could never sell it. And I probably can't. But if somebody dangled $22,000 in my face, it'd be hard to say no. Yeah. I mean, you could build a couple more of these 996s. No, you could probably build one. You could build an ice racing one. I don't know. I don't have the ambition to compete right now. Does the kit work on a Carrera 4? Like, could you do an all-wheel drive one? Yeah, Kyle's is an all-wheel drive. Oh, dude.
yeah this is an all-wheel drive and it's freaking it hooks so hard dude it's out of control that'd be so sweet the the thing that i really so like when i was when i was 19 like i think i said this last time but when i was 19 like i saw one of these brand new um maybe 18 you know like senior year high school in 99 or 2000 whatever i saw one brand new and i thought that because it had the unique headlights which some people really hate and like i've never hated them i think they're fine um but like there's something about like the fried egg headlight yeah there was something about like a body shape that like really got me and they kept that same basic shape for like 10 years with the 997 as well um and the more i looked into them i was like man they're really getting like five years ago they were getting pretty cheap and like they came up in value a little bit since then but uh there's like there's swapped ones selling for drastically more money than stock ones too because like the m96 motor has the ims like curse in people's mind it's really not in that many engines that the ims bearing has problems but there's more scoring issues like the more they're driven the less they have the issue yeah they're like they're a pretty good motor uh but you know they they don't like the factory one isn't super trusted in the aftermarket or in the resale market i mean so like you're gonna get 20 to 30 to 40 000 bucks but swapped ones there's been like swap 997 it's going for like 120 000 really uh yeah swap 996 it's going for like 60 70 80 000 bucks it's so crazy um so yeah it feels like a safe place to like cost a little bit of money and i needed uh like after i sold the fit i went i was like i'll just like use my truck my work trucks for like my you know for getting groceries and doing stuff like actually and kind of kind of sucks because my work truck's always tied to a trailer
And that was a dumb idea. My buddy's son bought the Fit because he wanted the Fit. And I thought, well, Fit's for sale if somebody wants it. But yeah, Fit was a good car. I kind of miss how useful they are as a car. But I really, really needed to be stoked about something. And I think I'm there. I think you found it. Now I want one. It might be my last. You already have one. Yeah, it's just different. Air-cold 911 is not fast. No, no, probably not that fast. But they're not that slow either. I mean, my S2000 was faster. How much power is that? Yours is what, a 964?
No, no, it's like a 930 style chassis, like it's a G-body, so it's an 84. Oh, really? I thought 84 was 964. No, that started like 8990. So the 964 has boil overs, it still has torsion bars. It's like the last generation of torsion bar cars. Right, right. So I actually just put a Yakima roof rack on it today. Nice. You drive a lot or no? Not really. I put new wheels and tires on it last year, but really just don't drive it a ton. Like it's okay, but like it needs all the bushings. It needs a lot of work for me to get it to where I want it to be. Right. And it's just not a priority at the moment. Right. Is that what...
Is that where the TSX will come in and you can go rip up the Tail of the Dragon and all that crap or no? Oh yeah, it's already been up there three times and I've owned it. Good for you. So it's definitely camber deficient. Yeah. So like the factory camber on the TSX isn't adjustable. So it's got like a half a degree in the front and that doesn't make it the most fun. No, you're going to wear the outside edges real fast. Yeah, so I actually, I talked to James Houghton like twice last week, once for like an hour and then another time for like 30 minutes.
Where essentially James told me, he goes, you know, if you're going to be at the Dragon more than like once a month, like maybe you should sell it and buy an SI. Like an SI. It's like it's 500 pounds lighter. You can easily make power. The aftermarket's way stronger. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like such an adult driving a nice, like comfy TSX. TSXs are pretty great, though. They're pretty great. I'm pretty impressed with it. They were unique. I've never actually driven one like myself. Come on. Come on down, dude.
the road trip like desire to like go to the the dragon is very high now yeah much higher than it was in the past it should be I've got almost 500 miles on this car. I kind of trust it. So we're getting there. We're getting there. I mean, what's the worst that could happen? You have to call a tow truck. No big deal. You just, like, fill the whole frunk with tools and, yeah, call a tow truck if something breaks. Yeah. It's like your own personal one lap of America. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The last time, I've only driven Tail of the Dragon one time with Matt Williams, greatest tour guide of all time. Early, early morning. Like, we left at, like, 6 o'clock and then, like, went to, what is it, Topoco Lodge. Yeah. And then drove around some of the other roads. And, like, one of the greatest mornings, like, ever. And he had his fit. I had mine. And I just, I...
I had no idea where I was. And I knew if I hit the same line as him, I'd probably be fine. And so I just did everything that he did. It was so fun. That was actual fun. I love it down here. I can leave the house and within 20 minutes be in some of the best driving roads in the country. Yeah, so pretty. Have you spent much time down there? I have spent no time. Oh, you should probably go down there sometime. It's so pretty. The whole area is just unbelievable. I can't go because I would want to ride my bike and all the car people would make it lethal for bike people.
Actually, so there's one ride made in like May called the Cherahala Challenge. It's like a 120-mile loop, and you go and you do like the main driving loop essentially, but on a bicycle. That sounds excellent. As a car and motorcycle person, it is my least favorite Saturday of the season because there's bikes streaming through there for like hours. did you get people from like all different types of skills i'm into that decent amount of climbing you were through the dragon and then you go the back way over to the chariola skyway which last year hagerty named the chariola skyway as their their road of the year um which is a really good road you go up to almost 6 000 feet it's like 5 800 feet so yeah so that's so cool yeah so you were talking about james houghton i talk with james i don't know three four times a week probably and all we all we do is talk about exercise and he said that man's been running so much he sent me uh two texts today because I had a new achievement unlocked. My current recorded resting heart rate today was 47. And he and I are in a competition to see who could get it to go the lowest.
That's a pretty good competition. It's been so impressive watching you guys go from being regular old dads to being definitely better than regular old dads. Very impressive. We need to do a grid life decathlon where you have to do some physical stuff, but you also have to change an intake manifold. Instead of the shooting, you have to swap a K-motor into something.
It's the K-Athalon. Sponsored by K-Power Industries. It would actually be a really fun thing to do on a night at the track. Do 100 miles on whatever racetrack we're at and then you have to rebuild a K-24. You put together a team and take a relay one. There's been a lot more running and biking in the paddock as our general paddock age gets older. The amount of drivers consuming crazy amounts of alcohol has gone down and the amount of drivers like...
putting on exercise gear at 5.30 or 6 o'clock and running the track or whatever. I think that might say something about the level of competition at the events, though. Oh, for sure. The driving is generally really, really good, and I don't think people are just winging it anymore. No, this is not 2019 anymore. I kind of wish it was. 2019 was pretty fun.
But yeah, people are taking it very seriously. Thinking about how out of shape I was when I was driving, it was pretty quick. I wonder how fast I would have been if I was actually in shape. Yeah. And if you're like mentally all there and you and I weren't staying up till 5 a.m. playing with like with the PA. And me not having a machine gun cough. Yeah. You were smoking like crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very different times. Very different times.
So what else is he? Well, in continuing that thing, I think Houghton's down probably 50 pounds. He went from like 47 to like 199. Yeah, that's what he told me when I talked to him last week. Yeah, since like the last time he's been to an event, which is insane. Yeah. He's going to need more ballast. Yeah. Abe's training for like his big crazy bike race, which I think we talked about last time. Yeah, the last time we recorded a show was in December, so. Yeah, it's been a few months. Yeah. I'm like, you know, I was telling Austin I'm in a little bit weird spot because I'm still trying to bring my weight down a little bit, but I'm having to manage.
like the biggest and most challenging workouts of my life multiple times per week. So like every workout that I do, I do three hard workouts a week. And usually I'll hit a personal best in something during that workout. And so like, imagine, you know, six times a week, you do some of the hardest workouts you've ever done and you're trying to lose weight. It's hard.
yeah that sounds brutal dude so you know when you start riding outside in the heat i think you probably have a couple more pounds of water weight you could lose uh i mean i'm like i know my sweat rate at least inside and i've got a pretty good idea on how much i need to take in and you're like you're talking to a person that thinks uh like compulsively for a living and so i i try to prepare for everything but we'll see Thinks compulsively. No, like, I have to analyze everything. I mean, I understand. I've never heard you put it that way. That gives me insight into the mind of Abe. You have compulsive liars, and then you have compulsive thinkers. So, yeah. Are you still excited about the big race? Yes. I told Austin, I'm not, maybe I should be more worried, but at the moment, I'm not concerned about being able to finish. I think right now, my head is at, how fast can I go?
the, uh, the competition, um, in you, you haven't like competed in much in like the last eight, nine years. Yeah. How, how intense is like your desire to compete versus like back when you were trying to do one of America. I mean, like this is relative, right? This is a, this is a professional bike race and the, some of the best riders in the world will be there. It's not like I'm going to be an also ran relative to those things. Um, but maybe within an age group or something like that, I'll be pretty strong. Probably. I mean, like I would guess upper 50%. I mean, just finishing this race is a big deal.
So, um, so, uh, Austin right now, my, uh, threshold power, like my Watts per kilo is like 4.25. You should be at five pretty soon. I mean, five would be a, like a serious, serious accomplishment. I don't know if I can get there or not. Um, my power is pretty close, but my weight, I'm about, I don't know, 15 pounds heavy. So like it'll be, uh, if I can get there by May, that would be a surprise. It's too bad. Cycling doesn't put you in a, uh, like a power to weight class.
I mean, it sort of already does. This ride is about 11,000 feet of climbing, so being high watts per kilo is already an advantage. Yeah, power to weight brings you from Sunday Cup up to GLGT. So I was listening to a podcast recently where like, I think Bogota was like accidentally posted some of his training. Yeah, it's bonkers. And on like a zone two ride, he was like an average of like 320 watts. And you're just like, wait, what? So for context, I have my zone two ride for tomorrow is, let's see, where are we at? I'm looking at today's. My zone two ride tomorrow is 218 watts. Yeah. And that's, this is a pro world tour rider, but he's riding the same level of effort.
but 50% more. Yeah, it's just insane. That's how conditioned he is. Yeah, the guy weighs like 145 pounds and he has the output of a, like, I don't even know, like a linebacker or something like that. It's crazy. And he can put it out for hours on end. Like, I think this was like a five-hour ride that he accidentally, like, posted his stats. That's crazy. Some people were speculating that he didn't post it by accident. He posted it to, like, mess with other riders' minds. Yeah, just to flex. Yeah.
It's, I mean, I've really, really gotten to enjoy watching professional cycling and the, the, the strategic element that comes from your body being the motor makes the racing so unbelievably interesting. Like racing cars is absolutely interesting. I love watching automobile racing, but when you, when you add a person to it as the primary like force to move, uh, like managing fatigue and when to attack and how to, to pace and all of these things is another layer of complexity that is to me just really, really cool. The first time I heard you talk about bike racing, I think was at CMP this year. And you were just describing it. And you got me stoked about it in the way you were talking about it. It's fun to see my friends be into a thing. I haven't obviously watched a lot of competitive cycling, but it's cool to hear your friends be into stuff like that. And I can understand why you would be. Are we going to go to Kansas and cheer Avon? Kansas. I'm not opposed to going to Kansas.
They're kind of fun. There's some racetracks kind of out that way. It's not that far from Heartland. I don't care about racetracks right now. Wait, did I hear that Heartland's going to be a track again? The dragster for sure, TBD on the road course. Probably. The IHRA, I think, bought it up, which is funded by a dude who builds all kinds of crazy stuff for AI.
That's weird. Hopefully he's not just buying everything up and holding real estate so that he can convert all the data centers someday. That is a couple of people's theory is that because this dude builds data centers for a living, that maybe he's just converting that money into long-term holdings of like, hey, look at this great place we could build a data center. Probably not. It seems like he's actually into racing. He actually bought IHRA, the sanctioning body. The whole sanctioning body? Yeah, he bought the whole thing. Nice. So you can say things are getting a little serious. Yeah. Well, what else is new? I got one more thing to talk about because I want me to tell you a story. Yeah, I want to hear a story. And I've told the story in one way or another to both of you, but it's going to come out tomorrow in Forbes Online, I think. They're writing an article. They have an exclusive article about this new group that's being formed.
So we met this dude at Midwest festival. I can remember where I met him. I was sitting on a golf cart. I think I was trying to tell a couple of rush drivers, like how to drive better and not crash into each other. And like, and then Hershen, Michael Hershen walks up to me. He's like, Hey, this is a, this is a guy who's telling me about James Schieffer. And so this, this dude, James Schieffer, his background is that he, he ran a big ad agency and they did a ton of automotive stuff. His, he's like third generation automotive dude. His dad, his grandfather, like was one of the founders of SEMA and the first SEMA Hall of Famer, like founded like the first aftermarket and like biggest aftermarket clutch conglomerate, you know, way back in the.
I don't know, 40s, 50s. His dad was a national drag racer. I think he was a national champion in some class. But yeah, I got into the ad agency world and I worked in... So people that don't know about ad agencies, like often they are like kind of the...
they do so many different things like grid life is part partly an ad agency because like we have customers and clients that like use our events as like activation platforms to like create content and like generate their advertising and to like market to their prospective customers like you know our spectators our drivers our live stream viewers or whatever so like we're part agency I guess you could say and that's like Chris's background um so this dude had gotten out of the ad agency world uh I think they sold the company um And I was like trying to figure out the next part of his life. I was like wanting to do something fun. Had a bunch of friends who like wanted to do cool, fun things and put together a group that has like paired up a few different companies. Gridlife being one of them. And the other one is ID Agency, which is like Ford's, one of Ford's ad agencies. And they like run the Mattel Hot Wheels tour thing for the last, I think this is their ninth year running that, which was supposed to only be like a one year project. It turned out to be like a big car culture thing.
They do a lot of stuff in the same kind of spaces that we do, and they work for a lot of our partners and stuff like that. That's how we've got to know them. And then Racer Magazine slash MAV TV, Racer TV. So this new group, which we'll be a part of, is hopefully... going to kind of stabilize and uh solidify grid life long term that's kind of like the goal uh which is uh like grid life forever good life for the next 20 years is the goal because we we see how much the drivers and crew and everybody has like built their lives around this you know like it's a like it for a lot of people good life is like what they do and like the rest of it is like just getting to grid life which uh when you see that especially up close and in person which you know you guys have both seen that for years it's like it's not an insignificant thing so we take it pretty seriously and like being a small business especially the last three or four years has been like really hard and now we are a small business that is part of a bigger business and um and they want to take us to like the next level spectator wise uh presentation wise good life should be on cable good life should be on the fast app um it should be a much better uh opportunity for like all the drivers to like sell partnerships and like blow this up for them so that they can you know get the cost of racing you know helped out by the people that they partner with um which a lot of our drivers have done um but yet the uh
long and short of it is like good luck forever uh versus like hey we're trying so uh really like i haven't been this excited about something in probably since covid uh since like you know like it that kind of took a lot of the wind out of sales for for event business um and i feel like uh i feel like The sky isn't falling. I feel like the clouds just kind of parted. And I'm really, really excited to have, you know, to be working with a lot of these people are like, like it feels like we've known them forever. And they don't want to do anything to change anything that Gridlife does. They just want to amplify it and like make it better and make it better. It's not private equity. It's like actually there's like no debt involved. It's like a family of like actual IMSA racers. That is some of the funding behind this. And like they want to build motorsports for the next generation.
um and they saw us as like one of the places to do that or like the place to do that so yeah i think your life might keep going guys which is pretty pretty awesome so you're telling me if i would have kept announcing i could have been on mav tv yeah dude yeah like kyle is the most stoked about like the opportunities in not not just like in that world but like just uh just to like legitimize and like I mean, Kyle cares about our drivers, like probably more than he cares about many things in the world. And he cares about the broadcast so much. It's like his heart and soul. And I hear he's really, really, really stoked about it. Yeah. So this is like the culmination of like a lot of hard work from a lot of people. And like this, this, this, yeah, just it makes it to where it can go on forever. And like, and we get to actually run it instead of just like stare at the books all day and be stressed.
Yeah, if we're going to have fun doing this again, this is how we do it. We do it with like the backing and partnership of like some really smart and really talented people. It's very exciting. So let me give you a canned question. What can grid life drivers expect to be the same? And is there anything they can expect that it will be different?
um the same uh in all the good ways like hopefully everything uh in all the bad ways like we're changing up ticketing obviously we we have a new driver portal all the stuff we talked about at state of the grid um which has been way better already like already it's so much better which that's that's been a ton of work by the aforementioned kyle especially uh building out a lot of the speed like the boring parts of interacting with grid life as a driver like the the registration and you know the stuff you have to do licensing blah blah blah uh he's done such a great job on that um And what can they expect to be different? I mean, hopefully crowd sizes, spectators will be bigger. Music acts, hopefully, long-term get bigger. Racer and the team at ID have, like, they've really wanted to, like, get more into, like, the event space. HPDEs coming back are a thing that will probably be rolling out in the next year or two, or more like club-style events. That's a goal. Like, one of our big goals is sort of to, like, in the proper way, do what we really swung really hard to do in 22, 23, 24, you know? Support some of the festival rounds with, like, a couple of...
club style rounds. Um, and that's, uh, that's really hard to do when you're a tiny team. Um, but growing the driver base, uh, as well, like, uh, bringing the community, uh, from, you know, from all over, uh, together at, you know, a Laguna or a Lime Rock, um, is, is still obviously going to happen, but like, uh, building that community and supporting that community and keeping ticket prices as low as possible versus like, Hey, this is hard to make money. You guys want to give us another 500 bucks this weekend? Like we can't keep doing that. Even though tracks are like trying to demand five, 10, 20% more year over year. Um,
so yeah it's going to take a certain level of effort and uh and now i think we might have the team to do that which is so cool it's it it feels like chris keeps saying it's like it's like serendipity like it couldn't have happened at a more perfect time with more perfect people and like uh we don't it feels lucky like it feels like we're way too lucky to have this happen because uh because we haven't had a ton of luck we've had to like make all of our luck and like this wasn't something we sought out uh it was something that like some people were like hey uh let's go talk to them and them was us uh and uh this is like eight months in the works like if it wasn't right for the drivers if it wasn't right for the team uh if like we wouldn't have done it uh but yeah it gives you know it gives a lot of uh it gives a lot of things to be smiling and hopeful about which i've had to fight for smiles out of myself lately and uh yeah i'm like it feels like it's exciting like i haven't been excited in a long time really really stoked to be excited that's a huge
Yeah. Just gigantic. Yeah. Whatever people want to take from that, they can. But I think a lot of the success and like the cool parts of grid life are because the people behind it really wanted it. Like a lot of us, we wanted to make the best possible weekend ever. We wanted to like build the event that we wanted to go to. And when you like, when you like owe the world a couple million dollars, it's like hard to be stoked about things. Yeah, we needed a little bit of, we needed a, we needed serendipity and I think it, I think it showed up, which is so cool.
i'm excited for changes good life forever is the plan man it's gonna be awesome it's a new hashtag yeah yeah we're throwing big expensive events you know like you know these big expensive events like they need to be successful and when you compare with uh like the longest term like serious motorsports magazine and a cable tv channel and like a giant ad agency um to make your and like the number one thing that they want to do is like build youth you build young motorsports and like enthusiasm uh and like not capitalized, but like keep growing kind of the wave that like Drive to Survive started to make. And like F1 is experiencing, like Liberty Media has like changed F1 so much. And like, you know, you're walking into like TJ Maxx and there's like, you know, car t-shirts everywhere. And like every Target's got car t-shirts and like.
Motorsports is really cool right now. And young people think it's cool. All the grid light stuff, it's like one of the most approachable forms of motorsport. Like F1 is cool, but like it's so far out of budget, even just to go to an event and watch. Yeah, those cars don't look like anything in your driveway. And there's a layer on top of that too, Austin. Let's say you buy a ticket to an F1 event, unlike going to IMSA or NHRA or anything else. Literally the only time you see the car is during an active session. And unless you have a lot of money, you're not going to get anywhere near one the whole weekend. Yeah.
that the uh the thing that like made me think oh maybe they're right because we were talking with this with these people for a while this like just came together a couple weeks ago finally came together but i was i took emma to uh and emma's 11 and so she's you know sixth grade um took her skating party uh her school had a skating party at the local roller rink and so there's like hundreds of kids just skating in circles and uh i didn't have enough fingers to count how many kids are wearing like car t-shirts uh like r32 r34 gtr t-shirt and like honda t-shirt and a mazda t-shirt and like uh it was very eye-opening to see like a little bit of like car curious automotive enthusiasm in like grade schoolers it's pretty wild um and like every time i go and like go to they have like a donuts for dudes uh thing uh for dads or for you know for the the dudes in the kids lives uh before before school a couple times a year and like like a couple of there's like a bunch of car guys there and like we just talk about car bs uh like cars are still cool cars are uh this the sport's not dead uh and i had started to like kill it in my mind like i was i was personally like rebelling against some of the
the drama of 2025 and 2024 and uh like i was i was kind of getting done with it i was mad about a lot of it um and a lot of it is just like just being you turn it into your job and like so it's not the thing you love if if it's not going great or if it's really hard like you're gonna start resenting it right um and it has been really hard ever since covet especially it's been hard that has not been easy um and like when our prices have effectively like doubled since then because our input costs have doubled because insurance is insane and track rentals are insane and ambulances that what an ambulance cost at uh at willow springs in 2019 austin like 200 a day yeah it really wasn't that expensive at all and now last time we went there was 1100 a day like everything is getting insane like it's Like talking about like the blast from the past stuff, right? Like my buddy told me what he paid for the Jayzilla day that he's doing in Rhode Atlanta. And that's what I used to pay for a weekend, for a two-day event. There's a small track event at Audubon North. Audubon North used to be like sub $100.
for a single day. Yeah. Because it's Autobahn North. It's just Autobahn North. What, five turns? Yeah. It's the one that, it's the basic track. So fun. Yeah, it's fun. It's pretty high speed in a couple spots, actually. But Autobahn North days, like off-season, we're talking like early April, are like $300. Jeez. And there's so many like $600, $700 track days now, just because like that's kind of what it has to cost if you want to do it a certain way. The old Gingerman like Tuesday test and tune days for like $80? Yeah. Those are the days, man. People are wondering like, oh man, camping is expensive at Gingerman if you buy power. Well, yeah.
to buy out all the power to my recollection like buying out all the power used to cost it was like seven thousand dollars and like it's like four times that now it's just like it's getting expensive you know like it's just like everything in the world yeah it's just expensive to have people property taxes have doubled tripled quadrupled insurance is nuts like okay we're gonna keep doing this let's keep doing it but um i was starting to get like worried about sustainability uh of any of this um but if we can make it really cool then it starts to work again. If we can make it attractive in a place that these companies want to be because they can make money too, we have to keep building this economy. I think too, based on just the cost of everything, tires, entry fees, all of that, you're seeing a much larger dedication from the people that are actually doing it. A lot more of a financial burden now than it was back 10, 15 years ago. We'll see where it goes, but I think Good Life might be in a really good spot.
like long-term to be the to be the place that uh that we all kind of daydream that it could be you know what i mean so so is there do you know is there going to be coverage of good life events in racer magazine now then there already has been off and on but yeah there will be uh like consistent yeah consistent coverage will be on the cable channel a lot of little details being hashed out okay but uh yeah very very excited about that um i mean that'll be a huge upsell for for drivers that want to go to sponsors you know yeah for sure that like there's there's uh there's just so much more There's so many more companies that those companies also work with that would fit really good in our paddock and companies we work with that could use the other companies' services. The Venn diagram overlaps, but it's not all just one circle. Between the three companies, we work with a lot of people, and we know a lot of people. We need this influx of talent and enthusiasm, and it's coming at the right time. I'm most excited about it for the driver's sake, for long-term stability's sake. I'm most excited for our team.
Because, like, they see our team as being, like, kind of like a super group. Like, they're really excited about the people that work with us and for us. And, yeah, it's going to be really good. Ask them if they want to partner with the podcast. We have to keep doing the podcast. We did that. Well, Austin's back now, so it should be easier. Yeah, we'll keep going. It might be a lot easier to do a car podcast when I'm stoked about cars. That might actually be part of it. I fixed one part of it by having a car that I'm kind of stoked on and being able to go street drive. And I might have fixed the other part of it or had the other part fixed for me by taking away a lot of this pressure that I felt, Chris felt, Michael felt. We're just kind of battling against a lot of years of swinging really hard and trying really hard. Yeah, there was a lot of pressure.
It became, like, daunting and overwhelming. It's hard. It's not fun anymore. I mean, that's kind of where I was, like, in my life when I was doing all the Speed Venture stuff and all the Grid Life stuff and the podcast, and, like, it was a lot. Yes, and, like, one day, suddenly, you just wanted to run away and get motorcycles. Like, one day, I remember the day of, like, texting with you. You're like, it was like a switch. It flipped for you. Yeah, I remember it, like, distinctly. I was sitting at Laguna Seca at a Speed Ventures event going, like, hey, I just don't, I'm not enjoying this anymore. Like, and I texted Dave. I was like, dude, Dave, like, do you want to start doing the podcast with Adam, like, instead of me?
Man, I've been on this show quite a bit longer than you have, so. I've been on this show quite a bit too long, some might say. Boys, I have to get ready for bed because my workday tomorrow starts at 7.15, so I got to get some sleep. And Austin was telling me I got to prioritize my recovery a little bit more than I currently am. Yep, yep. You're going to hurt yourself.
I only got two more months, I think. Well, three months. And end of May is the race. End of May, yep. Is that Memorial Day weekend? I don't know. Is it? Okay. I think it might be. Okay. So Austin, last year, I set a goal for myself that I would ride 4,000 miles by the end of the year. And that was up from 1100 in 2024.
Okay. In October, in October of 25, did you hit 4,000? I hit 4,000. So I bumped to like, I just pushed myself to try and do more than five and I finished at like 5,100 something. And if I keep pace with how many miles per week I'm doing, blow that out of the water. That's only a hundred miles a week. Yeah. I'm, I'm averaging like 160 a week now. Yeah. So we'll, that's what I was doing at my peak. And, uh, I think now I'm only doing like a little over a hundred. So, so far this year I have done, let's see, year to date, uh, 1500 miles.
Okay. We're only at the beginning of March. So my volume is up 131%. Now the battle is going to be once it becomes outdoor riding weather, are you going to be able to sneak in six days a week riding outside? Are you going to be on the trainer? We're going to sidestep for a little bike talk here, Adam. I'm going to go to bed. I do, but I do like to talk about bikes. When it comes to bikes, I'll stay up all night. So I think about my riding as the training happens on the trainer indoors and fun, leisure, like joy, that comes outside. And so probably one to two big outdoor rides per week, but most of it inside.
Uh, Austin, do you know, uh, do you know the training figure that like the training stress score, the TSS? No. Well, uh, relative to your FTP, your TSS like assesses or, or the TSS of a workout assesses, uh, how much like fatigue or stress a ride gives relative to your current level of fitness. And so the higher the number, the more volume per week you're doing. And right now my, uh, my TSS is as high as it's ever been. And my T my FTP is as high as it's ever been. So like I'm doing most workouts are 90 minutes and I'm doing, uh, between four and six of them a week.
And so like, uh, if I, if I need to make best use of that time, it's easiest to do it on the trainer because it, uh, like all of that work is structured. Uh, it's quite a bit less fun, but like, yeah, you're a lot more efficient with your time though. Like you don't have to load the car up and drive and then go ride and then pack everything back up. And yeah. And like, uh, I can say this now, I know that I'm not like fast, but I am faster than I have ever been. Um, when I go out and like, I'm just kind of pushing a little bit, I'm going fast enough that.
there aren't that many places around here that are so unobstructed that you're not breaking for a stop sign or an interchange or like having a car pass or do this, that, or the other versus like right now when I just do it on the trainer, I can, I can do 220 Watts or whatever for 20 minutes and not have to worry about slowing down. Do you have any big bike trails and stuff around here? Um, it's mostly road stuff around here. The, uh, the big gravel route that I want to take is the one I did at Christmas time, but it's about an hour from here. So later, later in March or April, come down, we can go do some gravel stuff. I'll follow you on my motorcycle because I'm not in this shape.
Well, don't you have a gravel bike? Yeah, but like if we're going to go for like 40 miles and we're going to do like 5,000 feet of elevation, I'm going to kill that battery about halfway through. I want to do like 100 miles and 10,000 feet of elevation. Yeah, I'll be your SAG on the motorcycle. Sick. But we can totally do it. I mean, there's 200 miles of gravel road 20 minutes from the house. That's awesome. What does SAG mean? What's that? Like support vehicle.
I'll even carry spare tires for you, spare wheels. Sick. So if you get a puncture. In two weeks, I leave. I'm going to Italy, just outside of Milan. I'll be there. I heard you're taking a bicycle, too, from somebody named James Houghton. I'm taking my bike, yeah. So I'll be there. I'll be in Italy the 15th, 16th, and 17th. If the weather's nice, I'll ride north toward Lake Como, but it'll probably be cold. But I bought some winter gear to hopefully ride. And then from the 18th to the 24th, I'll be in the south of Germany, and I plan.
to do a whole bunch of training rides on my indoor trainer, but also ride in the Alps. Are you taking your trainer with you? I have a unit that is semi-portable, yeah. I mean, rollers are a little more portable. It's more portable than that. Okay. I'll send you, I'll bump the chat with a picture, a picture of Sloan riding, actually.
but, uh, this like collapses so that it easily fits into a, uh, like a carry on. So, um, I'm going to be gone long enough that I can't take two weeks off to do work stuff. Like even taking a week off without writing, like at that level is very detrimental. Agreed. So, uh, I just bumped the chat. Uh, this is the portable setup and it packs super nice actually. Oh, wow.
So, uh, it's a, like a progressive resistance. Um, as the wheel speed goes up, you've got an exponential increase in power required. I took this to the hotel with us, uh, in January and like can easily like a steady state do 300 Watts. It's not too loud. Like it's like little mini, mini rollers. I mean, in feedback sports, it's good stuff. Yeah, it's super nice. So this will go into my check luggage and then I've got a bike bag to take the bag and all that stuff. So, okay. So then I don't have to take two weeks off because two weeks off is a killer nerd.
I love how stoked Dave is. I know. Well, I, Adam, you should know that I'm like particularly goal oriented and, you know, I have a goal and I am basically singularly focused on it. I want to get it done and then we'll find something else to focus on. Yeah. What happens June 1st? I might sign up for big sugar, uh, big sugar registration opens today. Um, and it's another big ride that I'd like to do. Yeah. Where's that at? Um, Bentonville, Arkansas, like the bicycle capital of the United States now. Bentonville is really cool. I've never been.
It's really sweet, man. Like, you could hop on your bike there and not even have to have a car to get anywhere. Sick. You should probably go ride by Austin's house, though. Some of the coolest roads, man. So beautiful, though. I think I should go ride by Austin's house. It's probably not even that far. It's probably, like, what, sub-four hours? Oh, it's probably about five. I'm into it. I'm picturing it being closer than that, but... So, you go over to Lexington or down to Nashville, and then over. Nashville's three for my house, so... No, it's probably faster if you go to Lexington. To me, it gets my mom and sister's house. It's three and a half.
to get to their house are about 315. So, because you're on the, you're on the east side of, correct. So I would just go toward Lexington and then south on 75 door Knoxville. So it might only be, yeah. So go, go to Lexington and just 75 south. And once you get to Lexington, about three hours, 15 minutes. Okay. Yeah. I don't have any fast cars. I only have a minivan.
You have a Tesla. Tesla runs like an 11 second quarter mile. Yeah, I know, but minivan can fit bikes inside. That's true. Minivan's probably faster. Minivan will readily do 100 on the way to Road America. And I'm not driving. Ashley's like, I guess I should slow down.
This is a bad bitch, man. It's a good one. All right, man. It's good to have you on the show. Thank you for joining us again. I hope that we record many more and good night, everyone. Thanks for listening. Cool. Slip Angle was created by Austin Cabot and Adam Jubey, co-hosted by Derek Yarbrough and production by Abram Schmucker, who mixes all of our terrible audio. If you'd like the show, please rate us and review us on iTunes and come and find us in the pits that you'd like to say hello.