Author Jeremy Bernard (Treating People Well): "For a Gay Man, You're a Really Bad Dancer"

Dennis visits the Los Angeles home of Jeremy Bernard, former White House Social Secretary under President Obama and co-author of the book Treating People Well, which he wrote with Lea Berman, Social Secretary under George W. Bush. Jeremy talks about how the idea of writing the book came about, being the first man to serve in the position of Social Secretary, interviewing for the job with Michelle Obama and the running joke he has with the Obamas about his dancing. He also discusses the Obama's goal of inviting as many different people to the White House as possible, how his sexual orientation affected his job or not, meeting the Obamas back in the 2008 election, making the decision to leave and his biggest screw-up. Other topics include: growing up in Texas, his favorite memories of President Obama, living in DC, the scarcity of White House souvenirs, working with the White House calligraphers, getting Prince to the White House, meeting Frank Sinatra at Don Rickles' house, remembering people's names, the tip Anna Wintour gave him, the deliciousness of Shake Shack, being e-mail buddies with Aretha Frankln, his favorite room in the White House, the power of President Clinton's charisma, coming out to his parents and that time he slipped and fell in front of the First Lady.  https://www.treatingpeoplewellbook.com/