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EPISODE · Oct 11, 2025 · 51 MIN

Authoritarianism, but Make It Look Normal. Plus, the Family Taking Over American Media.

from On the Media · host Greg Sargent, Pema Levy, Jake Lahut, Brooke Gladstone, Micah Loewinger

The Supreme Court has returned to the bench and is poised to hear major cases on tariffs and federal firings. On this week’s On the Media, how a century-old legal theory may help us understand how the highest court handles Trump’s second administration. Plus, meet the Ellisons, who are buying up American media like the Vanderbilts collected railroads.[02:26]  Host Brooke Gladstone speaks with Greg Sargent, a staff writer at The New Republic and the host of the podcast “The Daily Blast,” on Stephen Miller’s plan to normalize President Trump’s authoritarian moves.[13:37]  Host Brooke Gladstone sits down with Pema Levy, a reporter at Mother Jones, to discuss a theory on the two-track justice system in Nazi Germany, and why one justice is warning that the U.S. Supreme Court could recreate it.[34:54] Host Micah Loewinger speaks with Jake Lahut, a reporter for Wired covering the White House, about the Ellison family–America’s newest media magnates–and what their reign might mean for all of us.Further reading / listening:“Inside Stephen Miller’s Secret Plan to Normalize Trump’s Dictator Rule,” by Greg Sargent“The ‘Dual State’ Theory Was Invented to Describe Nazis. The Supreme Court Could Take Us There,” by Pema Levy“Larry Ellison Is a ‘Shadow President’ in Donald Trump’s America,” by Jake Lahut On the Media is supported by listeners like you. Support OTM by donating today (https://pledge.wnyc.org/support/otm). Follow our show on Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok and Facebook @onthemedia, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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