Aziz Ansari

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The fact that he skipped first grade because everyone thought he was so smart. We're going to talk about him growing up as an Indian boy in the South. We're going to talk about Parks and Rec, of course, and all our memories there. And we're going to talk about his cinematic directing debut, Good Fortune. Lots to get into. But before we do that, we want to speak to somebody who knows our guest, who has great feelings and things to say about our guest, and who has a question for me to ask our guest. And we just have my wife, my beautiful, beautiful wife, Rashida Jones, joining us today. Rashida, I miss you. I love you. Let's get going. Can you hear me? Rashida, can you hear me?

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Oh, oh, I can look at your face now. Yay. Oh, you couldn't see me before? It was a side view. Oh, no, it's a terrible view. No, it was great. It was great. This is just more direct and intimate. Bones. Polos. We just had a tech fiasco. Fiasco. We had a snafu. I mean, it still is a miracle that you can talk to each other in live time. Yeah. Like across regions. So I'm going to stick with that story. I still can't believe that we have airplanes. Exactly. Exactly. So there you go.

This is a miracle. Our meeting today is a miracle. Where are we talking to you from right now? I'm in my friend. I know this. Every time I talk to you, I feel like I'm in my friend's sitting room. Okay. In London. Well, what makes a sitting room? What's a sitting room? Lots of places to sit and kind of no other functionality. Like we were just kind of sitting and staring at each other, you know? You're in London. I'm in London. Oh, I miss you, friend. I miss you too. I'm talking to Aziz today and I'm having a lot of...

I'm having a lot of nostalgic feelings today. I feel that. I really miss us as a cast. Same. And I kind of feel like we are his aunties a little bit. We are definitely. Totally. You especially. The Education of Aziz, I'm sorry, was sort of like the alternate title for Parks and Recreation. I know him and Plaza feel like they were babies. Our babies. They were our babies that we raised.

Our beautiful family, the four of us. Before we get to Aziz, who, like you, I think has like a very specific cultured aesthetic. I'm loving the color brown that you're wearing. Thank you so much because somebody told me they didn't like this color. I don't remember what it was. I was like, I do. I don't know why. It's a very 70s to me. And I was wondering what you think the color of fall is. I always ask Rashida these questions because she knows. She's in the know.

Well, there's a, there's a palette. Cause you know, like when you have, have you ever done your makeup test where you're like an autumn or spring or summer? Yeah, I think you're an autumn. You are such an autumn. You're a summer, I think. I think, I think you're right. And I very, I wanted very much to be a winter. It's kind of the story of my life. Yeah, you love summer polos, but you love summer. I do, but the colors feel a little, I don't know, not substantial. Too playful. Yeah, they feel a little juvenile. And I want to, you know, and I remember looking at the palette and saying, I think I'm a winter. And then TikTok said, no way. No, ma'am. They said, blondie's not allowed.

But okay, so that's an autumnal color that you've got going on. This, I would say like an olive green, a wine, like a Merlot color is very, the color of autumn. Maybe even like a mustard as an accent. I can't even get anywhere near those colors. They do not work for me. And with that in mind, what do you think is the fashion of the season? What should we be wearing? Okay. Should we say that we do this? Yeah. So every season, Rashida and I, and we try to like name how we're going to dress basically. And it's steeped in either like a country or a vibe.

Or like a trend or like an anti-trend. What have been some past ways that we've named the seasons? I can think of a few. High school art teacher. High school art teacher. Japanese winter. Tired ballerina. Tired ballerina.

What's the last one that we just, that we kind of found from TikTok? It was like frugal chic. Frugal chic, frugal chic, right. Like make your own salads, bring in the work. We're the same like gorgeous sweater every day. Shop your closet, shop your closet. What do we think is happening this fall? We're just like a double F, like functional fall. We're like, I was just in Paris, which of course, always the fashion's so good in Paris. And the way that like girls wear trousers, like it just is, it's hard to describe why they look so much better on them than anybody else. There's like always like a front, I mean, it's front pleat fall.

Okay, you know what? Gen Z loves their front pleats. I know. I don't need any more help down there to feel full. No more pleats in the front. Agreed. Okay, never mind. Functional. Functional flat front. Functional flat front full. Okay, you heard it here first, guys. Hashtag trending. Okay, you know, we always like to talk well behind our guests back about our guests. What do you love about Aziz? I'm sorry. Aziz is, he's a very insatiably curious human being. He loves to absorb art, food, fashion, film.

traveling. Like he's just, he's so open to experience. And I love people who are like that. I would say that you're like that too. And then of course, like he's just so funny and I always want his take on something. Um, that makes it, uh, he's a pleasure to be around in that way. Yeah. What, um, I feel like you have, you two have probably gone and done some groovy things together. Like we've been in a lot of countries together. Yeah. Yeah. And I love being in Japan with Aziz because he'll, he'll just, he'll just bust out like the best.

accent and just order in Japanese. What? Like a full, perfect accent. Yes. He speaks Japanese? Yes, a little bit. But his accent's so good that he convinces people that he can speak fluently because his accent's so good. Whoa, that's cool. Yeah, very cool. Is it weird that every time I hear about other people speaking another language, I just feel so bad that I don't? Like I make it about myself? Fire of envy, same. Well, people should know that you studied French for a while. A month? Babe, a month more than other people, honey.

Okay, so what question do you have for our guest Aziz today? What do you think I should ask Aziz? Anything you want to know? Yeah, I was, you know, I was thinking about something that would light him up that he'd want to talk about. And again, as we mentioned, Aziz is an extremely cultured individual. And, you know, there's probably stuff that people don't really know about him. One thing is that he's an excellent chef. And also he loves food. So A, what's his favorite thing to cook? And B, what's his favorite thing to eat? Love that. Love that. Has he ever made anything for you? All the time. He cooks me dinner all the time.

everything. My, my recent favorite is he makes this thing. It's like, it's an Indian dish that's specifically for children. So I love it, uh, called chicken 65. And it's, it's bright red because of the, like the pepper powder and it's delicious. Yum. Ooh, I want to talk to him about that. And I want to talk about kitchen gadgets in general. I just got for myself. I liked every once in a while, get myself a kitchen gadget so that I can continue to.

encourage myself to cook. I just got really long, thin tongs. Not your grabby tongs, but those long ones where you can turn a delicate mushroom. Wow. I wish we were hanging out together right now. I miss you. I miss you too. I really want to do a TikTok dance with you. Oh yeah. Listeners, Rashida sent me a TikTok dance and said, I wish we were learning this together. And I watched it and I was like, I don't think I'd be able to learn it. 100% could do that.

It looks so cool because they're such good dancers, but it's a very simple steps. You know, no one is a bigger fan. Could you do the TikTok dance incentive? I'll send it to you. I'll send it to you. Just don't show anybody. I'll send it to you. Do that thing where you make yourself a three people. You know how you can do an effect where you can look like three people? Yes. Let's do that. Maybe your team, after they fix your audio issues, can help me do that. Yeah, we're going to split this into three and you're going to be your own backup singer. I'd love that. Best career. Thank you, Bones, for doing this. So happy to see you. Miss you so much. I love you and have fun with...

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Yeah, this is like beat New York right now. I know. It's so nice to beat. People don't know we're recording in New York right now in the fall. Yeah, is this on now? Yeah, we're on now. Oh, whoa. Okay, good. I'm glad I didn't drop any racial slurs, as I tend to do when I usually see you. Right away, when you see me. Yeah, right away. We usually say, what's your favorite right now? And then I say my favorite, and then we start hanging out. Yeah, so God, thank goodness we dropped that. Yeah, no, we're rolling. And all we've been talking about is New York in the fall. That's it. New York in the fall, baby. But when you come here, do you get like a...

Do you ever want to live here? Well, you still spend time here. Yeah, I feel like I don't live anywhere. I'm always just running around. But visiting New York is fun because you come for it and you get a quick hit. You do all your favorite stuff. You see all your friends. But if I stay too long, it's too crazy. I'm too old now. Yeah, I know what you mean. Your little ZZ's all grown up. I know. My ZZ is just an old man now. I know. Whenever I see old Parks things, I was like, I didn't know that me and Aubrey did a show when we were little kids. How old were you when you started on the show? I was 13.

And then when we finished, I just turned 18. I got my driver's license like in the middle of the run. A lot of people don't know that you were 18 when you were playing Tom Haverford on Parks and Rec. It is true though. You look like a baby. You were a baby.

I didn't know anything. Yeah. The first season, I didn't know how to act or anything. I should not have been on television. NBC should be like, we got to get, is there any Indian guy that's done more acting than going to play this guy? I want to get into this too, because it is, it feels like when we, we met each other throughout, like we've, we've in a bunch of different ways in a bunch of different places, but New York city, I will say feels like, and I don't know if you feel this way when you come here, that you are reminded of when you were young. There is a feeling here. Like if you were here when you were young, when you come back.

you feel younger or something. You remember your younger self. You're trying to get back that energy. You remember being outlaid and all this kind of stuff. Because you were an NYU kid. I went to NYU and I started doing comedy then. Were you doing comedy like in high school or? No, I grew up in South Carolina, so there was no outlet for anything like that. It was like, you know, you could dip and spit into a cup. You could spit into a cup and everyone laughed. I just drank Mountain Dew and did. That's all I did in high school.

And did you ever, were you in a play? I was in plays when I was a kid. I remember there was some play I did and I don't know what the play was, but I played like a cowboy and I was doing like a big Southern accent. And I remember I just crushed and kids were coming up to me afterwards like, do it again. And it was like one of those things I remember. So were you a funny kid? Yeah, I like to be funny in class.

Yeah. Anytime there was anything that involved public speaking or something, I was always super comfortable. I remember when I did like something where I was like six years old, I had like speaking part of the whole school and it didn't like bays me at all. I don't know why. It's so funny. Yeah. Because, okay, so when I was in school in South Carolina, right? This was in the 80s. So, you know.

A lot of these people had never even seen Indian people before, and I skipped first grade. I did skip first grade and second grade, like in the middle of first grade. They called my parents, and they're like, we got to get him out of here. He's too smart. He already knows all this stuff. I don't know if it's this other culture you're from or what's happening, but we got to get him the fuck out of this first grade thing. He needs to go to second now.

Get him out of my class. He's embarrassing everyone else. Then I went there, and I went to second grade, and this is a little school. So I'm like, you know, and there's like 30 kids in each class. I grew up in a town with like 8,000 people. So they're like, oh, this little brown wonder kid. And so I'm on the radio and all that stuff. There's a recording somewhere. And when I was a little kid, I had like a southern accent because that's where I grew up and that's where I'm around. So I vaguely remember being on some radio program, and I was like, my name's Aziz Ansari, and I'm a first grader at Marlboro Academy. When you're told at six that you're a smart kid, then you become the smart kid.

I think so, but I think it kind of annoyed me in a way. Like, I didn't want to be painted with a certain brush. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I bet. I bet people are just projecting a lot of stuff on you. And then I went to the school in 11th and 12th grade, which is like a science and math school. And it's a public school in South Carolina called a Governor's School.

And there, it's like all the smartest kids from all over South Carolina. And there I was just like this dumb kid that was like smoking weed and telling dumb stories. And they were like, what happened? I thought you skipped first grade. Yeah, 11th grade. You need to go back to 10. Yeah, they kicked you back down. Yeah, I mean, we talked a lot about it when we first met, like this idea of growing up in South Carolina in the 80s as a young Indian boy, one of probably the only in your class, figuring out. In like first and second grade, I sometimes forget this. There was this Thai girl. Her name was Tisha.

Which does not sound like a Thai name. And they used to always be like, what's up with you and Tisha? I'm not kidding. I remember there was a play in first grade. It was a play, and for some reason there was Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse, and it was me and Tisha. We were the stars. Oh, diversity. No, no. Me and Tisha in Bennettsville in 1988. Leads. Leads of this mysterious play where there was Mickey and Minnie Mouse. But there was always like, oh, you know. Were you excited in a way to expand your horizons and go to New York?

Yeah, I always, it's so interesting. I was thinking about this, you know, the fact that my dad left, you know, my family is all from the southern tip of India up until me and my dad left India and went to, like, he first came to Jersey and he was doing, like, residency or whatever. And, you know, really, I was thinking about this a couple weeks ago, how remarkable it was and how scary that must have been to come over there and not know anything. You know, this is before internet, FaceTime, nothing. If you're there, you're really gone. And same with my mom as well. Did they come over together? My dad came first and then my mom came later.

I was just thinking about how there was something my dad, I asked him about this and he was like, oh, I always wanted to go. And it's weird because I grew up in South Carolina and I think I had a similar thing where I always wanted to go somewhere bigger with more stuff going on. Yeah, you had that same drive to see more of the world. Luckily, I went to school in New York, which is the greatest place to be if you have that kind of feeling. So when you're leaving South Carolina, you apply to NYU. You apply. You're like, I'm going to go to business school. Yeah, I didn't know what I wanted to do. This is how dumb I was. Business seems to be the major that a lot of men who don't know what they want to do pick. Like my uncle has a business. I was like, oh, maybe I'll start my own business and I'll major in business. That's how silly I was. And I get there and there's all these kids that are talking about Goldman Sachs. I don't even know what Goldman Sachs is. And I'm completely confused. And I had friends that were in Tisch, the film and television school. I was thinking about switching to that or maybe the Gallatin school where you make up your own major. But I never really got it together. The little combination of laziness. And I also started doing stand up like the summer of my freshman year.

I distinctly remember sitting in a class in my sophomore year and just thinking, I'm just going to do something with stand-up. At the least, I'll be a comedian that does comedy clubs and that's fine for me. How do you go do stand-up? What makes you go do stand-up when you're in college? It was one of these weird things. I was in school my freshman year and I was just sitting around and telling stories and people were laughing. Someone was like, oh man, you should try to do stand-up. And then a week later, the same thing happened. It was like one of these weird, maybe the universe is saying something. And then I went to a comedy club. I went to the Comedy Cellar, which I still perform at all the time. And I saw a show and I was like, I think I can do this. And I tried it and I wasn't great. I did well.

But I was very comfortable with it, and I really enjoyed it, and I just wanted to get good at it. I just wanted to get better. I never thought about anything further about acting or any of that stuff. I just wanted to get good at this. And it really goes back to what you were saying earlier, where you get that high of like, no, I want that feeling again. Yeah, yeah. And so I started there, and then it just kind of went from there. Well, when we met, do you remember the first time we met? I was trying to think today. I mean, I don't remember anything. I have so many friends. I'm like, when did we first meet? I mean, one of the first times I remember meeting you was, so the UCB Theater, and there was a Monday night stand-up show at 11, which is like a tough slot. Monday at 11 is not the prime slot.

But they were doing a stand-up show and Matt Besser, who was part of UCB, asked me if I would want to do the stand-up show. And I started doing it and I was booking like my favorite comedians and I would host it every week. And it really took off. And I remember one week you came and I was like, whoa, like you just came to see it and said hi. And that's one of the first times I remember. That's what I was going to say is I remember meeting you by seeing you on stage. That's back when we could all just, you know, sleep all day and then go to do a show at 11 o'clock on Monday night. Yeah. Then you go on and you do, you create your own sketch show. Yeah, we did the sketch show on MTV, yeah. Yeah, and that was kind of like.

2007, which was such a cool time for, I think, for comedy at the time because you had MTV and Comedy Central and all these places taking big risks on green apples. Yeah, and Adult Swim and all these things. Were you on Adult Swim? No, but that was around and things like Tim and Eric. Yeah, and it was like, here's this kind of niche vibe. Let's give them a show. Let's see what they can do for a couple of seasons. And so that show was Human Giant. And what did you learn from doing a sketch show?

Sketch show is really hard. I mean, you know, that's one of the hardest things to do. Because especially even just from a production standpoint, you know, everything is different. There's no consistency. You're always doing new costumes. It's new locations. It's really a hard thing to do. And writing sketches is really hard. But there was one sketch I did.

that I wrote, I think, you know, we all kind of wrote together, but it was one that I really liked, and it was one that Greg Daniels and Mike Schur saw, and it was because it was on YouTube or Funny or Die or whatever, and that was what got me the gig on Parks. Yeah, and was it Shutterbugs? No, it was called Viral Videos, and the premise was me and Rob Hubel, and we were on a talk show that Paul was hosting, and Hubel had just made a viral video because he did a video where he cut his penis off, and it went viral, and he was like, so excited, I got, you know, 2 million views, and he's like, oh, we have this other guy, his name's, you know, Kevin Kreisler, he has a viral video too, and it's me, and I got like, 40 million followers and all I did was just make funny faces. And so he has to reckon with the fact that he's done something a little bit more extreme. And yeah, it was a fun sketch. But that's what Greg and Mike told me. They saw it and they're like, oh, we should get it. Yeah, because a lot of people don't know you were the first person hired for Parks. Yeah, I met with them. Yeah, what was that meeting like? Do you remember it? Well, it was so mysterious what they were up to. I had a meeting with them and I told them, I don't know what you're doing, but whatever it is, that would be a dream job.

And, you know, this was like when The Office was on and Mike and Greg were both involved in that. And that was, you know, my favorite show like that on the air. And so I told him, whatever you're up to, let me know. And then, of course, you know, when it all came together with you and Rashida and everything. Well, I'm kind of learning. When I was talking to Plaza, when Plaza was here, she was talking about like her meeting with them, too. Yeah, yeah. Very famous stories. Yeah, yeah. I know. And it's kind of funny. I kind of forgot the Avengers Assemble feeling of those guys going out and getting people and bringing them in.

And talking about, like, we're going to do something very cool. I mean, it didn't even feel like there was a ton of auditioning. It was more just them picking people that they thought was funny. Not only funny, and I feel like all of us, whenever we see each other, do interviews, kind of say this kind of stuff ad nauseum, but it's so true. But also just the best people I've ever met in my life. Yeah. Like, really, I cannot believe it. Because we've all done other stuff. And, you know, not everybody's, you know, look, we've all done other stuff. I don't talk about everything the way I talk about parts.

You know, you do something, some people, it's different energy, not necessarily mean or bad, but just something like we all just clicked and there was a vibe that worked with all of us. And just to pay respect to you and Mike, you know, when I did Master of None with Alan and as I become a director, I, you know, what I learned from you and Mike in terms of how to lead, I mean, I can't thank you enough. It was the best role model I could ever have. See, see, see. You know, when I started watching your podcast and so then Parks Clips started coming on YouTube and.

When I watch it, sometimes I just think about us making it. And it's funnier for me to watch the bloopers because that feels more like my experience. And oh, God, some of those things that came up, I hadn't thought about in so long. And they're cracking me up. I saw this clip. I don't remember the context of the episode or whatever. But we're in Ron's office. And me and Donna, there's something called bloosh. And Ron has decided bronze and bloosh. So me and Retta.

Start just going, Ron's in Blush. Ron's in Blush. And then I jump on the table, Ron's in Blush. And me and Reda's dancing is getting crazier and crazier. And we're just dancing, dancing all over, doing all of the crazy stuff. And they showed that. That was what we shot. And then they showed the scene as it aired. It was just like, Ron's in Blush. And they cut.

That's also my favorite thing. It's like, I mean, I love trying to, if I could try to get someone to break. Like, you're pretty good. I don't, you know, it's pretty high up on that. Agree. He never cracked up. And oh man, I love, there was a couple of times where I almost, where I got like, I think he didn't laugh, but I think his mustache went up a little bit.

And I remember one thing that you wrote. It was an episode you wrote. I was doing that puppy boys. And then the puppy started looking at his mustache. And I was like, I like your mustache. I'm just a little puppy. And it all, I think it almost got it. It almost got it. You're so right. I mean, the set up there was like you had a chance to play around. Like you got to try your stuff. I mean, the fact that Treat Yourself is used on, you know, cocktail napkins and in Kmart and like it's everywhere.

I went to some ice cream place one time, and they're like, treat yourself to a sample. I was like, can I have a sample? I was like, please don't connect this. Luckily, the person didn't put them together. Yeah, I mean, that's become part of the lexicon. And I can remember that moment, which, by the way, it's so funny in that moment, treat yourself, because you guys say, treat yourself 2011. And I'm like, oh my gosh, 2011. Remember that? And then there was one in the future that was like, treat yourself 2014. It's like, it's 2025. What's happening? But I remember that episode deeply because...

It felt like it was a great example of the writers and the producers realizing what made you laugh, what made Aziz laugh, what would be fun for us. That's what they started doing so well. Yes. I think the more they got to know us, it was such a good group that you could just be like, well, what happens when we put these two together? And then, of course, we had the greatest people coming in and doing bit parts. They were all just so funny. And the characters. Another clip I watched, and I think, you know, talking about breaking, this is the hardest scene I've ever had to film.

in my entire acting career. And it's on YouTube, the blooper of this. You remember this thing? It's me and Adam Scott, and we're having lunch with Joan Calmetso. Yes, the great Mo Collins. Mo Collins, who always is just so funny. And she said, we're ahead of lunch, and she says, I'm going to go powder my nose, amongst other things. And then she walks away, and then Adam comes to me and goes, and Ben is supposed to say, dude, is she going to go powder her vagina? And we couldn't do it. And this is the only time.

I think this ever happened on Parks or anything where me and Adam were like, let's just film the rest of the stuff and we'll come back to that. We'll just come back because we couldn't do it. It's just the most absurd task because you'd be like, okay, no, no, we got it this time. Okay. All right. All right, guys, ready? Okay. Amongst other things.

Is she? No, we could have said, dude, she had to go power her vagina. We couldn't get through it. And Moe was so funny doing it, how she was like stumbling out of the table every time. Yeah, and then she'd add some other thing. And you're like, you can't do that. I just steeled myself. And now you just did this other funny thing. That's not fair. I love a blooper. I love bloopers in general. I love a blooper. Yeah, but watching these parks bloopers was, after I watched your thing, it put me on the algorithm. It was so fun. Oh, and you know what I also wanted to say when we're in the parks and recreation world for a second?

My kids loved Aziz. They're in their late teens. And when they see you on TV, they go, oh, is Tricky Sandwich in this? So yes, my kids were little when I was shooting that show and they would come and visit. And Aziz, you're really good with kids. And you do a thing that they love, which is you kind of like, I don't know, it's funny. You realize sometimes with kids, with people and kids, either people that come on too strong and just like want to interact and kids are like, or they just, you know, they don't know. They're like, hello, young person. But Aziz would basically do these bits with them.

That would make them laugh so much. One of them is you would walk by my oldest and pretend to be on the phone with his best friend. What was his name? Watson. Hey, Watson, what's going on? No, I'm just on set. Yeah, my oldest would just kind of listen and be like, wait, he's talking to my friend? He was like five years old.

And the other day, you were just like doing funny bits with them. And one day you were holding or eating a turkey sandwich and they started laughing and pointing at you and saying, turkey sandwich, turkey sandwich, whatever. And you loved that. I just remember you thinking it was so funny. And the other thing I just wanted, you mentioned like your algorithm and your phone taking you to Parks Clips. I did want to talk to you today about your relationship to your phone. What is your relationship to your phone now? I try to stay off everything as much as I can. How do you do that? Teach me your ways.

I have, I don't have email. I haven't had email for like 10 years. Incredible. Yeah. I have an assistant. Okay. All right. But still, that means that. And there's also stuff like, you know, like I have a flip phone and if I get really lost, I got to either ask people or just call my wife and be like, I'm. I've had to do that before. Like call my wife and to the point where she's like kind of used to it. But, but. And if, you know, I hail taxis and if there's not a taxi, sometimes I'll call and be like, you know, there's no one around. So you don't use like an Uber app.

Usually, in London, there's taxis all the time, but you can handle them. And here, too. Yeah, yeah. Well, why do you have that kind of relationship with your phone? It just gives me more space to think. I mean, I heard something about, like, Tarantino doesn't even have a phone, Chris Nolan doesn't have a phone. I was like, whoa, those guys are able to get a lot of stuff done. Maybe there's something to it. It does feel like the eventual next step will be just that, will be people, like, breaking up with their phones. It's pretty consuming. And, yeah, but that's just me. I don't know. No, I relate, and I'm genuinely asking because I feel like...

My relationship with my phone has just gotten deeper and more intense. I remember when John One Park told me something about how your phone fell in the pool or something, and you didn't have for a couple days, and you're like, this is the greatest thing ever. Yeah, it definitely feels like something that has taken over. It's going to be really interesting, this generation, like Gen Z and Gen Alpha, who have grown up with a phone in their hand. I saw a Gen Alpha kid one time at the airport, and they had a flip phone. I guess it was like, because some parents get their kid a flip phone, and they're like, I don't get your flip phone. So I saw that, and then I had mine, and I saw the kid, and I went like this, and dapped her flip phone, and she was completely confused.

Can I see your flip phone? God, this thing doesn't even work that well. But another thing is, one time I was eating in a restaurant in London, and I heard my phone going off, and I checked, and nothing was going on. But it was another dude that had flip, and then we started talking. And we were talking about all this and just joking about how, like, oh, what do you do when you get lost and all this kind of stuff. And, yeah, classic flip phone guy combo. And then he said, you know the thing I think you've got to avoid now is the chatbot. And I was like, oh, 100%. Okay, let's talk about that, the AI.

Not the AI, but just like... Wait, what's Chatbot? Chatbot, or I think I'm not even calling it right, but the thing where you type the ChatGPT. ChatGPT. I call it Chatbot. Chatbot. Yeah, but it's ChatGPT. See, I don't even know the name. I completely agree. I think this is like, you know, it's outsourcing critical thinking. It's making everyone's opinions kind of the same. This is my feeling, you know? Yes, yes. And I think people using it instead of Google, most of the time it's wrong. And it's just kind of like telling you what you want to hear. Yes. So you can keep asking you questions. And, you know, someone showed me some commercial where it's like someone said like, how do I make a dinner for this girl that makes... I'm like, well, I would rather someone...

call someone and ask someone or maybe have some sort of conversation. Like it just seems like it's like outsourcing. It is thinking and it's like killing some bit of humanity. And I don't know, it kind of makes you, I was reading some article where it said like it's making everyone a little more basic. Ooh, yeah, that's real. I think that's real. I've always found you, Aziz, to be a very curious person who's kind of interested in why we do things. Like you're very interested in the why of like why people make choices. And I feel like definitely the last few standup specials that I've seen you do definitely have that feeling. And what is it?

Are you doing stand-up right now? Are you out doing it at all? I've just been promoting the movie now, but I think I'm going to go out after the movie in, like, October, November. And do all new material? I've been doing stuff about, like, being married and, you know, we're trying to, like, have a kid and talk about that stuff. So what's it like being married? Is it fun being married? No, I love my wife very, very much. She's great. Yeah, you've met her a handful of times, and, yeah, she's great. How did you meet? We met in London, and, you know, we did long distance for a while, and, yeah, I was like, all right. How has being married changed you?

I just feel like all the other stuff doesn't really matter to me anymore. That's nice. I'm just like, oh, wow, this person is everything to me. And just to have that person to come home to and to hold, it kind of makes everything else seem like it's less important. I love it, Aziz. I'm so happy for you. I'm excited to hear what you say on stage about marriage and relationship because I've always known you to be a person who has a lot of love to give. Oh, thank you. Get those tears going, Aziz. Let's get those tears going. Chop, chop.

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Before we talk about Good Fortune, your new film, which looks amazing, and holy shit, the cast is great, and you wrote and directed it. It's so good. When you were doing Master of None, Master of None feels like a show with Alan Yang that you created. It feels like when I was looking up and going over your stuff and being reminded of it, it almost feels like a different time in television that it was pre-COVID. Yeah, I mean, it's like a time capsule in New York now, that show. You know, it's about 10 years old now when we were making it. And that was when Netflix first came out. And this was a time when Netflix was like, you remember, people would be like, oh, there's a new Netflix show. You know, they had so few. And so every show got their shine. And, you know, when Alan and I made that show, the idea of like, whoa, this guy that's got the brown face is starring in the show. That was like not really happening, you know.

Yeah, and they let us kind of really do what we wanted. Like, you know, when people talk about, oh, you know, getting notes, they hadn't even hired people to give notes yet. You know what I mean? And then the first season did really well. So the second season was like, yeah, just keep doing your thing. And it was just a radically different time. And now streaming and making shows and all these things have become much, much different. Yeah, the whole industry is so different. And I remember you guys feeling excited about doing that. What was it like to leave an ensemble and then be like the lead of a show? Well, that's the other thing about Parks is Parks is not only you're on this great show.

But everything's taken care of. Like you just show up and you're like, treat yourself. Good night. See you, Zs. Thanks so much. Great day at work. And that is not what you do on Masternaut. Not what I do on Good Fortune. You have to pick. You know, people I think sometimes.

You know, what is directing? You don't really, it's kind of a vague thing. And it's really, you're just deciding everything. You know, you're like, okay, well, okay, where does the scene take place? Okay, a restaurant. Okay, let's go drive around and look at how many restaurants are going to pick the restaurant. What are the people wearing? You're making so many decisions. You're crafting everything and you're there. And then you have to, you know, I'm writing everything too. So you have to write it and then you have to figure out how everything's going to look and make all these decisions. And then you have to edit it and you have to make sure it all works. And it's a much more involved process. And just acting is a much different, you know, simpler gig. What part of directing surprises you that you like so much?

I just love these moments where you've written something and you have your actors and, you know, you had in your head a certain way and then someone does something a little surprising or it just goes to another level. And, you know, I was looking at some behind the stuff scenes for Good Fortune and I really enjoyed the stuff where I wasn't acting and I was just over the side and like, you know, it was like Yano and Seth and they were doing something that was cracking me up and I was just, you know, laughing and, you know, trying not to mess up the scene. And those moments are super fun. I mean, there's another, there's a scene where they're like riding in a car and... They were like, okay, do you want to follow them in the van and be on the radio? I was like, oh, those radios are always cut out. I'm just going to hide in the back seat. So I was like, hold up like this. And I was just like yelling jokes. And, you know, Seth and Keanu are so iconic. I'd like hear them say the jokes, like the way you have it in your head, but also a little funnier. I mean, that really feels like you're a little kid playing. Those are the best parts. Yes, totally. And also to allow yourself to still do that. Because sometimes I think, you know, when you're working on anything that you created, no matter, it doesn't have to be a film. It can be anything that you made and you like hand it over and people then start to work on it. It's hard to not be too rigid about it. Like you have an idea of how it's going to go and it's supposed to go that way.

The reason why we work with other people is to collaborate. Yeah, yeah. And to play like that and see what they have to say. And I love collaborating with actors, which is something I learned from our experience on Parks. You know, Mike and all the writers, they would take all these little things. Oh, Offerman's into woodworking. Maybe he plays a saxophone. And I've always spent a lot of time trying to get to know the people that I work with and try to figure out how to put more of them into it and try to understand who they are to help write the character better and make it feel more like them. Let's talk about Good Fortune because that cast is...

Okay, so first of all, is Keanu as nice as he seems? He's the best. He seems incredible. Yeah, he's the best, and he's also, he's like the sweetest guy, but he's also like the coolest guy in the world. Like, he kind of balances both things. Like, you know, we'll do like rehearsals at my house or whatever, and Keanu will show up like on a motorcycle. Like, he looks like he drove from an anime movie straight into reality. He gets out, he's wearing like all black, he's got like a backpack from the future, he takes it off, he's got boots on, and he's just the coolest. And me and Seth are just like, ugh. I mean, I don't know, I don't like that Keanu's still driving a motorcycle. I want him off that motorcycle for insurance purposes. Oh, he's always riding that motorcycle, and I'm like, ugh. I want him off that motorcycle. Yeah, no, no, he loves his motorcycle, yeah

you've worked with before. Kiki is the best. You gotta meet Kiki. Kiki is one of my favorite people ever. I have met Kiki. You have? I got the privilege of doing her podcast. Oh, you did? We did a podcast too. It was so fun. So fun. Kiki and I've had dinner, not to brag, by ourselves, just the two of us. She's like in Australia now. We rarely get to see each other. She works all the time. She's so, she is so naturally funny. I've described Kiki. She is a movie star. Hilarious. She once told me her aunt died in a way that was really funny. And I was like, how did you do that? I'm laughing. And you just told me your aunt died.

She is so quick. She's so sharp. She's so talented. I mean, she's just as good a singer and performer as she's an actress. We had to see where me and Kiki are dancing and I was like working with some choreographer and then Kiki's just like, oh yeah, just does all this crazy stuff. I'm like, oh. Yeah, she is. She's so talented. And I mean, the cast is really awesome. How did you, I guess.

Like, how did you let everybody play an experiment on that? Like, was it that kind of set? Like, did you? Yeah, I mean, I think, look, if you cast the right people, it's all going to come together and gel in a nice way. And, you know, I spent a lot of time rehearsing with everybody. Okay, so you like to rehearse. I like to spend a lot of time. Because, you know, when you're actually on set, that is the most precious time. When the camera's rolling, to get to that moment, it's so precious. And you always don't have enough time, blah, blah, blah. So the more time I can spend with these people beforehand and rehearse and kind of make sure everything sounds right beforehand and, you know, rewrite things to make it really sound like them. Then when we get on set, there's just less. We're already kind of almost there. Yeah. But, of course, once you're there in the place with the clothes.

everything else you come up with new ideas but um you know all those people they're so you know Kiki and Seth are really comfortable with improvising and Keanu you know Keanu at first I think Keanu was a little intimidated I think because you know he's not he's not as a comedy guy as much as me and Seth but he got into it and he would improvise and stuff a little bit and I told Seth I was like could you imagine if like we did an action movie how awkward I'm gonna push back on that because I feel like we would be great in an action movie I because I want I want us to be able to do more action really Don't you wish you could do a film where you get to just say one line a day? Oh, yeah, Keanu barely speaks on those movies. That's what you mean. You know, when I was a kid, my favorite movies were all action movies. My favorite movies were like Terminator 2 and Die Hard. I mean, I still love those movies. Those are my favorite movies. I loved action movies as a kid. When I was a little kid, I liked comedy.

I feel like once you start talking, it's diminishing returns. Once you actually start talking and film, everyone's like, oh, that's how they talk. Oh, they're saying that. But if you never talk. Are you trying to be in a Fast and the Furious movie? What's the action movie? I would like more of a boring identity. Oh, whoa. Just walking through the streets of a European city. I like that. Leather jacket. I feel like if I did that, everyone would go like, ha! Well, sometimes people send me stuff that's more serious. I'm like, they're just going to think I'm too silly to be this guy.

It's going to hurt the movie. I can't do it for you. I know what you mean. I can't show up as a villain and people aren't going to be like, ooh. She's too nice. She's going to change her mind. I do think it's amazing when people decide to do it.

180 as an actor and then they play someone really horrible and you're just like oh no we love that person and now they're some people can do it you know even when Keanu and I one day we were doing some press stuff together and there's like a room that I was waiting in in between and it happened to be like John Wick weekend and like I was watching some of the Wicks stuff I'm like wow I can't believe he did this and then plays this very silly guy at my movie and it's the same guy it's really impressive he just also has a great reputation for being a wonderful person Keanu like it just seems like you know those kind of things just get out into the world. And he just seems like he's handled his giant fame and his like very long relationship. Yeah, he's been in the game for a long, long time. Yeah. When I was about to meet him, I did like a little film festival and I was re-watching like Parenthood. Parenthood. I just saw re-watch Parenthood on the plane. It's so good. It's incredible. It is. It's so good. During that weekend, the John Wick weekend, they showed Parenthood too and I was watching in between and I was just like, wow. Very different. John Wick and Parenthood. Yeah, I know. Are there films that you go back to that are like your comfort watches? Like if it's a rainy day and you're like, I'm going to put on a movie. Do you like to watch films? I...

Love watching films and there's definitely like a film nerd element to my life. And yeah, the movies I go back to a lot. I love, you know, working on this and all the time when I'm writing, I revisit like being John Malkovich a lot. I love that. I love Eternal Sunshine. Those two I visit a lot. I love those. And I love watching just older movies too. Me too. I mean, I feel like the joy of getting older is like looking back and realizing, oh, there's a lot of stuff I still haven't.

scene, you know? Oh, yeah, it never ends. I know, I know. The thing that got me into being more diligent about watching film was, you know, I realized, oh, all these directors that I love, whether it's like Scorsese or Paul Thomas Sanders, whatever, they've seen every movie. And I was like, that can't be a coincidence. I mean, I gotta be honest, sometimes it's overwhelming. Like, the way people who make films talk about films definitely makes me feel, like, stressed. Oh, I had to go on, like, TCM or whatever, and I was like, hey, man, I might get some things wrong here, because, like, Scorsese will be like, and the person that did the craft services here, you know, he was making these ham sandwiches that had this special kind of cheese that everybody loved, and Greta Garbo didn't like them. So, for her, he would do it with turkey.

Totally. It's like, I don't know. I don't know it. I know. It's just, and it definitely feels like that feeling like when you have an oral exam in school. I'm watching Parks and Recreation and you know, any Polish kids call disease, I'm sorry, turkey sandwich. How do you remember all this? I know, it's intense. Okay, speaking of food though, turkey sandwich and food, I want to talk to you about food. Sure. Okay, before we wrap, because I feel like the food, your relationship to food ties into the bigger idea of you like trying to open yourself up to a lot of stuff in life, like being curious. Sure. You growing up, what was the food you were eating growing up?

My mom would cook Indian food, and there was a woman that took care of us. Her name was Miss Viola, and she cooked Southern food. So there would be Indian food, like biryani or whatever, and then there'd be chicken and dumplings. Incredible. Weirdly, I think we'd eat a little bit of both. So I grew up on Southern food and Indian food. Okay, and then when did you start realizing, I actually care very much about what I eat, and I want to learn how to cook and be a good cook? It's interesting you ask, because I think people think of me as like, oh, it was easy. That was all the restaurants. No, I actually just cook at home all the time now. I love to cook.

I think it happened and a lot of it was during COVID. I started cooking more and more and it was kind of what our day was based around. It's like, oh, we're going to cook because I was in London during COVID and the farmer's markets and stuff didn't close and you kind of walk around and so food became a way to kind of structure your day a little bit. But during COVID, I wanted to learn all my mom's recipes. And so I asked my mom to help me. Because Indian food is very intimidating. Oh, big time. But it's not as good. Wait, do I ever send you those cookbooks I make? I make these cookbooks for friends. I've got to send you one. Sorry. No! I'll send you all of them. No way. So you transcribed your mom's recipes? Not all of them, but every year during Christmas time I make this. I'm so sorry I haven't sent it to you. I'll send it to you. No worries.

Whatever I've been cooking that year. I started during COVID and I just kind of kept it going. Oh, that's awesome. But Indian food is what I really love to cook. What makes Indian food, like for a person just cooking, like hard to cook? It's nothing hard. It's just, you know, I would ask them, like, oh, how much of that coriander powder do you put in? He's like, I don't know. And you're scared that you're going to mess it up. It's not like baking, you know, where you're like, oh, if you put like a teaspoon too much, it's not really going to screw it up too much. And the other thing that's super helpful is YouTube. Because you can watch, there's all these people, like, you know, aunties and stuff in India that have YouTube channels and they show you how to cook everything. And seeing it visually makes it a little less intimidating. And you just got to do that first trip to the Indian store and get...

I always think that term's kind of funny. That's what everybody calls the Indian grocery store. They call it the Indian store. But that sounds like you're going and buying Indian people. No, you're not. It's just ingredients. But you just got to get all the stuff and then keep it in the pantry. And then it's like, oh, yeah, everything's like, oh, yeah, slice some onions and some little ginger garlic and then some spices and then maybe tomato. And then you put the chicken in and stir it around 20 minutes and it's done. Yeah. Wait, can I tell you? So I cooked for Rashida like a week ago. She lives really close to me. And her family came over and she brought her little kid. And she's like, I was cooking Indian food. And she's like, can you make something for him? Something not too intense. I was like, oh, I got it.

I'm going to make chicken 65. That's like, it's like Indian chicken nuggets almost. They're like little pieces of chicken. Little kids love it. And every kid loves it. And so I made him chicken 65 and he ate it. And then he started going crazy. He just like had so much energy. And then I realized it's because the chicken 65, they put red food coloring in it to make it bright red. And the red food coloring has that dye that makes the kids go crazy. Go crazy. It got him pumped up. Yeah. So now whenever they come over, I just make a bunch of chicken 65 and he goes nuts. Well, it is so funny they say that because we do a thing here on the podcast where we like to talk to somebody before the podcast. We talk well behind their back. Okay. And I get a question and I just talked to Rashida. Oh, well.

And Rashida just told us that you made her Chicken 65. She loves it. She was like, let's go for dinner again. I was like, what do you want? Chicken 65. She loves it. And, you know, in many ways, we both, Rashida and I feel like we were your auntie at times on that show. And I know Rashida and you guys, like, and she was talking about like how, you know, what we were talking about earlier that you are, like what she really respects about you is the way that you're a curious person, always trying to learn more about yourself and the world.

Her question was, and she was saying you're a very, very good chef. Chef or cook? What would you say? Chef? Cook? Chef seems like someone else has to call you a chef. I'm not that good. If you get the right hat, you become a chef. You just put it on. But as a cook, she wanted me to ask you, what is your favorite thing to cook?

I love to cook Indian food and I love cooking stuff. I think there's something special about the food you ate growing up and the food your family made. And I think there's something, you know, one time I went to India and I stayed for a little extra time and I asked my family, I was like, oh, who's like really like kind of the mean cooks? Like, who can I learn from? And I stayed for a couple of days with some people that are a little bit disreligious.

aunt's sister, something like that. And they showed me so much stuff. They were cooking in their home and showed you? Yeah, and just learning home food that comes from your family. I think there's something special about it. I think that's something important to pass down. And my own parents, they're all healthy and everything, but you start thinking about their time and just like, oh wow, it's a piece of your family history that I think is cool to try to preserve. I feel like you also took cooking lessons somewhere else too. Did you go to Italy? In season two of Master Nuns. That also gave me a big...

help to be comfortable in the kitchen so it made it less intimidating but uh season two took place in italy so before we filmed it i went and lived in this town in italy and i i learned italian a little bit and i worked in these kitchens in these places and these people did not really know who i was and i was like yeah i'm working on a tv show they're like oh okay and then but they they let me work in the kitchens and i i uh i learned a lot from these these people that were there and they were so nice and um It kind of gave me some confidence to kind of start with the Italian food. And then there was a couple of Indian things I could make. But then during COVID, I really started. I had more time. I had nothing to do. So I was just like, OK, I'm going to keep pushing this. I always say this. I did not grow up cooking at all. And I had a busy working mom who, you know, I grew up in the 70s and early 80s. So I didn't have a ton of, you know, we didn't have like a cooking family. And I always say it's never too late to start trying because it is very like low risk, high reward. Like try a dish. And if it doesn't work, you just nobody knows. You can just throw it away. Like you can just and when it does work, you feel like incredible. Repetition is the father of learning.

Yes. Lil Wayne said that. He did. He did? Yeah. Amazing. I mean, I don't know if he was quoting someone else. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. We'll look it up. What are you laughing at these days? What are you watching, reading?

I know you're not addicted to your phone. You have a flip phone. But what do you do to laugh? Where do you go? For laugh. I know. What did I watch to laugh recently? I know, because it's kind of hard when comedy is your job. You don't watch as much comedy sometimes. You don't. And, you know, when you come from the stand-up world, we all know that the way stand-ups laugh is they just watch each other and go, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a different thing. They go, yeah, that was funny. What was I laughing at recently? I know. Anything that you do when you're training. I just, you know, every now and then my wife will show me some silly internet thing. She showed me something that was like.

it was like a meme of like a dolphin. It was like looking happy and it was like me letting the flight attendant know I'm ready for a snack and it was a dolphin. It's like, like just stupid stuff like that. Okay, let's look up that dolphin. I think it's a dolphin. I love a meme. Yeah, those kind of things. Movies and stuff. I know, I mean, smiling dolphin memes. I love some of those old movies like The Apartment. Those things just make me laugh so hard. You don't go on TikTok or anything like that, right? No, I've never really been on TikTok.

I've seen videos. I've seen some of the stuff. Some of that stuff has made me laugh. Sometimes I see stuff I don't understand. It's not him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a cookie. That's pretty close. But the one my wife sent me, the dolphin had a better smile. I've got to find it. I've got to send it to you later. Do you watch anything? Are you watching any shows right now that is, you know, I mean, it's an interesting time right now for comedy. I mean, Good Fortune is a great example of like there's not a lot of just straight.

comedies out there in the world right now to be like an original idea that's a comedy that's in theaters like to have even one of those three now yes is wild it is and i you know seth and i were always talking about this of how we wanted the movie to be theatrical and how you know i remember going in new york when i was in school going to see like anchorman and you know 40 version all these movies and just being in like a packed theater and just dying and and i think that's that's something i miss and i hope i hope it comes back and i hope more people get to make comedies and um that we get that back because it's so much better to be in a group and laugh you know if you go to a live show. You know, if you go to a live show at like a UCB or a stand-up tour, there's so many people there and you don't realize how much the other people, that experience is part of it. Like, if you come see me do stand-up at a theater, it's, oh man, we're having a great time. But I just came to your house and just started doing stand-up and you're sitting by yourself. Yeah. I'd be like, how did you get into my house? This is not a good experience. But that to me is like, you know, streaming a movie and being on your phone at the same time. I know. It's back to the phone. It's back to the phone. And the theater is still the only place where you're not allowed to be on your phone. I love going to the movie theater. It's so fun. I'm so happy that you came as easy. Oh, I got to tell you, you know, whenever I was like, okay, we got to do this

I know one thing I'll be looking forward to very much and that was this and spend time with you. Same. It's always a pleasure when we get to see each other and thank you for having me. Turkey sandwich, I'm so happy that you came. Hold on one second. Hey, Watson. Yeah, yeah, I'm just finishing up the pod. Okay, I'll see you there. What? No, I haven't seen Archie and Abel in a long time. What? I don't know. I think they're in their 20s. Take care, Watson. Bye.

Thank you, Aziz Ansari, for coming by and hanging. It was so great to see you and to go down memory lane and talk about all the good things ahead. And now it's time for our Polar Plunge. And today's Polar Plunge is presented by BMW Certified. In a world full of uncertainty, BMW Certified pre-owned vehicles are the real deal. They come with a BMW Certified warranty, genuine BMW parts, and an additional three years of 24-7 roadside assistance. Visit bmwusa.com slash certified dash pre-owned to learn more. So for this Polar Plunge...

I just want to stick up for my phone a little bit. I feel like we've been pretty hard on the phone in this episode. And we've talked about how bad it is for us. And look, I agree. But my best friend gives me a lot of things. It helps me track my other friends and send them creepy texts like, oh, I see that you're at the airport. Have a good flight. My phone lets me buy things by just going beep, just swiping it across a thing. And you don't even know. You don't have to take out your credit card. My phone.

It just tells me about all the awful news that's happening minute by minute all over the world. And if I missed it, it pops up to remind me. So just take it easy on my phone, okay? It's my best friend. And it's never let me down. But seriously, help, help me, help me get away from it. Please help. So today's Polar Plunge was presented by BMW Certified. As a BMW Certified owner, you receive the performance you expect, plus the warranty and assistance you deserve. Learn more at bmwusa.com slash certified dash pre-owned. Thank you, Aziz. Thank you for everyone listening. Good hang, and we'll see you again. Bye.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Alea Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.