Bad Elizabeth - Elizabeth Holmes with E. Jean Carroll

Gideon and Kathy discuss the rise and fall of Elizabeth Holmes, the infamous CEO of Theranos. Holmes dropped out of college like Steve Jobs, she wore black turtle necks like jobs, and created a tech product like Jobs. But unlike Jobs, Homes' product didn't do what she said it would do and she lied about it repeatedly. The Theranos idea was to have a fast and easy way to run many medical tests using a tiny pin prick to the finger, but it turned out to be pie in the sky. If only Homes spent the same amount of energy covering up the fact that her product was a failure, and blaming her staff, into actually working on making the product work, maybe she'd attain the Jobs-like stature she desired. Both Gideon and Kathy have had their share of terrible work environments, but probably not nearly as toxic as that of Theranos. And like other bad Elizabeths we have covered, Holmes is attempting a comeback even though she's currently in prison, Gideon and Kathy discuss the how likely it'll be for her new ideas to work. Later in the episode Kathy and Gideon talk to writer E. Jean Carroll, who is also an Elizabeth, but a badass one. Carroll gives her take on Holmes and then we go in-depth about Carroll's life growing up in Indiana and her hard-fought battle to become the beloved writer she has become. The episode wraps up with Carroll talking about her gripping and often hilarious book "Not My Type" about her lawsuit against Donald Trump for assaulting her in the dressing rooms of a Manhattan, New York, Bergdorf Goodman. She won her case not once, but twice.----------------------------------------Hosted by Gideon Evans & Kathy Egan-TaylorProducer & Engineer: Will Becton / Executive Producer: Amber BectonRecorded @ Jett Road Studios----------------------------------------Jett Road Studios - Website - YouTube - Instagram - SubstackBad Elizabeth - Instagram - YouTube - Substack----------------------------------------SOURCES:New York Times - Elizabeth Holmes Partner Blood-Testing Start-upABC News - Elizabeth Holmes Prison Release DateVanity Fair - The Talented Ms HolmesIMDB - The DropoutThe Dropout - Apple PodcastsBad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley StartupNot My Type: One Woman vs. a President