BELLA THORNE’S TRAUMATIC PAST - IMPAULSIVE EP. 99

getting to live your life the way you should be allowed to and not be taken advantage of or death i'd rather fight this day to death than let it happen again and again and again yeah thank you for the enthusiasm mike by the way welcome back to the number one podcast in the world thank you guys for listening watching viewing subscribing if you're not subscribing that button for me spencer why are you so quiet today you are you are so more quiet than usual for a vegan i don't know man i'm just are you here are you here are you on this planet bro are you just happy okay that's good why are you so happy i don't know man i'm with you on that by the way yeah i feel like i'm in that game right now great i just got back from vegas uh recently and i was with the dj dj ruckus and i was like hey man can i get your number and uh he's like sure so he put his number on my phone and i forgot i had already gotten his number a couple years ago in sundance at the sundance uh party but he was on my phone to sundance dj which was a bit awkward and he saw that you know what i'm saying like i guarantee everyone knows mike and probably like tana monjo's here in the audience is he in your phone is mike lovesack yeah mike from lovesack you know what i'm saying like you never know who's mike lovesack in the first name and then wherever you know him from yeah just after when they see because like i know dj ruckus bro for like four years now we've been to goodbye together sundance coachella you kind of got to embrace it like i've looked at people's phones and it's a spencer film guy i'm like he was hurt though oh he was oh yeah and he's performing at a marquee in front of all these people i'm just like fuck i know i heard his feelings bro maybe just maybe you need a little check bro what's that with me too it took you what like two years to change my name from mike it was like a honorary day you were like mike you finally yeah you hey david you were david german for the longest time and now you david shut up i don't know his last name davidson davidson that makes sense hey can we talk about a girl a girl we went to ohio recently a girl had a this is interesting a girl the end mike um because she knew we were coming to cleveland and some girls are just so straightforward with it i'm like gotta commend this girl what did she say to you i didn't know specifically she just said like i think people knew that i was in cleveland and she just said well i want to sit on your face while you're in cleveland that's like there's no high no head no high doing none of that stuff and i showed logan and then said wow he was like wow and then what happened we were sitting at dinner and by the grace of steve erwin this girl came and sat down at the dinner table next to us and mike goes hey i think that's the girl that wants to sit on my face i said there's no fucking way mike there's absolutely no way there she was she came up after and she was like talking to me like she was cool i'm pretty sure i dm'd you earlier oh you're pretty sure is this a common thing in cleveland like is that all there is to do i didn't think sitting on faces was the only thing to do you could play ping pong okay that's actually yeah it's a ping pong casino interesting so she also knew quite a bit about the gluck gluck she offered to give like a uh a very good double-handed gluck gluck after i just found but did you accept no okay absolutely no she's a former disney star now hollywood superstar she's actually a dear friend of mine and a peer she's got 20 million followers on instagram and i was actually fortunate enough to have her star in one of my music videos ladies and gentlemen it's bella thorne oh here we go here we go who's chanting good to see you bella got the corona just my traveling partners the essentials how you feeling um i'm feeling feeling pretty good maybe get comfortable i should get down and dirty for this conversation let's go i mean that's what we do here on policy after all we are the number one podcast in the world and that's a sad that's a fact about that um so look you got this book here and you gave it to me the life of a wannabe mogul mental disarray something you told me though interesting this copy actually is like not the final copy correct me if i'm wrong or um no yeah so this this copy is also just like uh one of my art copies you know i got the first copy and then now this is another one and the first print actually of the book i was notified um is missing one of my favorite um poems um yeah which will be uh very very very sad for me um and so we're also doing another rendition of the book now for our third print because we just got news we need another one of those when you say first print like that's 20 000 copies you told me right okay so then second print so third print now is going to be um like completely inverted like black matte black with the red trees and the red foil and whatnot yeah so i was going through this last night i'm super intrigued and impressed because the style this isn't your typical book i thought i was gonna i don't really read but this isn't i wouldn't call it no i mean i don't know how to read there weren't too many pictures in there so that's like how did you get can you punch in on this it's like um oh the cat with the cutter the box cutter oh yeah yeah but this is how did you make this did you type your thoughts on a typewriter and then have them all um i did it all on typewriter yeah um i wrote it in in two weeks because the first two books that i read actually got completely lost on a delta flight it's very unfortunate can you explain how that happened um i'm a dumbass and mon told me that i should photocopy them and obviously i was like yeah i'm putting it on my list my to-do list and then like i went i was on tour when i was writing it anyway and so it was already kind of like loose in that sense and i had two of them two two two two all handwritten how bad did that hurt it hurt so bad because for so long i tried to get it back because i was just like no like this is like this is like come on and the stewardess on the flight too was taking a bunch of photos with me and she saw me writing she asked me what the book was about um and so i'm just thinking like either they lost any of us never to be appreciated or uh she has them they were handwritten right yeah one-on-one yeah one-on-one i can't get i can't get anything of that back and it's unfortunate because i literally wrote it on like three or four doors so it's like what happened for a reason is this what better i mean i think it's much better in a lot of different ways that book was way different but that book was more of like what i want the third book to be like which is very much of how to be a mogul coming from literally nothing having no background you know learning how to read from acting reading scripts learning how to count from counting my dad's cash like um literally having no schooling background and writing writing a book writing a feature writing a series right now that i'm writing like just how to do it and literally having no experience it it's really unfortunate because i have a lot of even the names of all the companies that i have now before we could use those names so we've got like all of our names that we tried to get like we have and it's just so many good memories in those two books of like real like step by step how do we do this because i didn't know how to fucking do it and my agents everybody was just like it's gonna be really difficult you should just do it like this way instead and just put your face on something like this and i was just like oh watch me watch me i'm gonna do what i want this this book is riddled with with really really impressive feats especially like because of the harsh upbringing that you did have and i i want to ask is there something innate in you that made you special and able to achieve the things that you achieved or do you think every person has something inside them that can allow them to achieve their goals no matter where they come from oh yeah 100 obviously the second option um with me like i don't i don't really think that there's like this whole like oh somebody's so special like we're all so unique that in a sense no matter what we are so special no person is ever the same you know so to me the special thing that word has no meaning when it comes to people because really everybody is you know um how did you find how did you find that special piece if there's like people watching that feel like they're not special you know which they probably are how did you find it i felt not i think not special my whole life i mean like i was just bullied really heavily in school my first language is spanish and i had to drop spanish and learn english to then learn how to read which didn't come until i was like eight or nine and it like i never felt like everybody was just like you can't do it and i think that um who really got me here is like my father's worth ethic he always said if you're gonna do something then you better be the best damn at it like you better literally break your bones trying to be the best and i really do think that that's how i got here with all the different shit that i like to do the mogul type vibe of dipping my hand in every pot um because i really didn't have like a background of being like you know oh do this or do that and it's kind of just like oh what does it what does being a mogul mean to you to me being a mogul means like having seven passive incomes and like three companies that you work on and then two other ones that are over here like where's some examples of moguls i mean like obviously yeah you know there's actually there's a there's quite a lot of moguls you know even um just there's yeah there's a lot of moguls out there but um for me it's definitely just dipping your hand in every pot and really kind of trying everything making it work somehow the reason i ask is like we talked about this i'm sort of wrestling with it in my personal life is like how how many things should you do before you're doing too many things before before you should i mean because you know you put all your eggs in one basket it works in the biggest in the world but and you do do a lot of stuff like you make music you act you write obviously i'm sure you do many many other things in other forms of creative expression do you feel like you're doing too much you know i always feel like i'm doing too much because i don't i don't feed it the proper food that i should be you know um i don't i don't sleep i don't like there's so many things that i don't do right with my body and constantly working and constantly having my mind go like you know i've been working since i was six weeks old out of the womb i just did child modeling i was on cover of like a plane vogue by the time i was like a little you know like uh my mom did yeah we uh we all did modeling growing up and so like for me not to work is honestly much weirder like if i'm upset i throw myself into work if i'm happy i throw myself into work whatever i'm doing i throw myself into work and i think that it is too much and then all of a sudden i see an opportunity come and i'm like oh but it might be too much on your plate and i'm like but it's right there so let me just do it anyway yeah i noticed that i'm actually really impressed at how punctual and hard-working you are even though you have a massive amount of success and like you could have easily showed up to this podcast an hour late but you were 10 minutes early and it's always been like that even for my music video like you gave me three days you're on time every day and therefore the amount we needed you so i definitely commend you on that and you hinted that the work ethic came from your father when you talk about in this book and uh he passed away when you were 10 correct yeah like nine yeah and and what how did that affect the rest of your childhood um because i know you have a rocky relationship with your mother or so that's what i got from this book and so yeah how did that affect you um i mean i in in so many ways i can't even put my finger on you know to me though the most thing that really affects me on is like um yeah what i talk about in the book is like the why's and all the questions you know all the constant questions every day that you literally never get past or get over and that is really the most difficult thing like you know i'm sure a lot of people know even when you have a dad you could have a dad who's literally there and it's a wall it's talking to a wall so therefore you don't have a father in a sense so i'm sure a lot of people can agree with this but growing up with without a dad like you know like father's day was rough going on instagram it's fucking annoying when all you see is you know daddy daddy daddy thinking about your wedding day is annoying thinking about having coffee is annoying thinking about any time that you're like wow i like carnegie hall carnegie hall was really really hard because that would have been something that he would have thought was like really amazing and it's just going through really big moments in your life and you kind of look around and you see everybody has like a good amount of family or not with me as so much i think i attract friends that also have kind of more fucked up families because that's just kind of like my little tentacles that's just my vibe yeah there's the passage in here the one about your dad says um everything happens for a reason right well i might be stuck searching for that reason every single day for the rest of my life so maybe it's better for me to stop now and i also like to adopt the mentality that everything happens for a reason but sometimes i'm not quite convinced i need to know what that reason is is that where you've landed on that i think my mind stirs on that a lot you know the why me the why not me you know that kind of thing of it all is you know it's kind of like when you're so angry at something that you have to find somebody to blame for it so my reason to blame is what is the reason you know um and that's that's that's the reason of what's so irritating that i still go to sleep with or wake up with um and and i'd like to stop searching and that's obviously what i say but you know let's let's be realistic probably not how much of those um do those like external factors of trauma from your past and you know losing your dad and that kind of stuff um impact what you do now from an art standpoint from like a talent standpoint i think it impacts it like in every sense of what i do you know even when i direct i pretty much only like to direct um really on on the darker side uh by the time this comes out the famous next video should be out that i just um directed i'm about to direct and it's called suicide watch and it's kind of all everything that i write or do or see or watch like i don't watch really like i don't really watch comedy that much like you know at all like you gotta really talk me into watching a comedy i'm pretty much only psychological thriller or who's a dark creative that you admire look up to you like jordan peele i love jordan peele i love gimme montel toro obviously quentin tarantino is my favorite um uh yeah yeah marilyn manson is just i just love him he gave you an excerpt in this i saw that's awesome a lot of a lot of big people give you excerpts snoop doggs is so funny and jason reitman's is my favorite this is so fucking cool let me read jason's i like diplo's the best one to read that bellathorn writes poetry as a kidnapper might leave a ransom note it's a threat and i don't think she's fucking around damn that's all diplo said hey i didn't read this book bella gave it to me and i left it on an airplane that's so good shout out diplo dude snoop dogg yo sitting here smoking checking out this book of homes from my home girl bella damn girl you dope as a motherfucker i didn't know he had rhymes and rhythms and such words of magnitude and gratitude with just a little bit of attitude how does that feel getting shouted out by snoop well uh luckily actually so when i hang out quite quite often so from his was just it's just amazing to look at it like snoop dogg i never even thought i'd be friends with snoop dogg or smoke with snoop dogg he tells me i'm one of the only ones i can keep up with him how much how much weed do you have to smoke to keep up with some dog um a lot how much can you go through like a sitting like a few ounces a pound like how much are we talking um in a it really depends on what i'm doing you know uh it depends also how stressed out i am like you know how many people i'm smoking with if i'm i've only really smoked in groups and so many people are smoking i only smoke it if i roll it so then i'm like just constantly rolling and rolling have you thought of hiring a roller no because i only smoke it if i roll it why i don't know it's it's really i'm so specific and neurotic in the weirdest way that this has just become a thing for me and now i can't get past this thing because it would be much easier if i could smoke shit that other people roll it's so fun you say that i had to roll too like there'd be a group of four other people be like i bought the rap i'm like no i have to and i think it hints at something that also is a part of this book which is the layout of it and i think what it is is you're an artist you're just an artist and everything you do whether it's putting a book together that's laid out in a cool artistic way or rolling a joint that is artistically perfect and has the right filter you know the right mouthpiece and all that good stuff that you put into it so it's probably an art an art thing how do you use darker art and darker content how do you think it can benefit people i think that in in our world you need to feel like you can relate to somebody and the worst thing you can do is show this perfect like to me you know even before i was doing this i went out of my way to show my cystic acne or um as my friend scott once said you got away to make yourself ugly which was offensive i don't think that's true but okay um but like i just you know um like i have a have a ban on like anybody that works with photos of me they just can't edit it or like you know like you can see on my instagram if i've cellulite i'll let it show because in any sense it's like you just don't want to put out in in my opinion this image that is so beautiful it's not it's not obtainable it's not relatable it's not realistic it's not logistic it's literally just like it doesn't make any sense to me in that way to keep preaching this like image so i think that the darker content with me is is great because when i see dark content i can relate to it or it'll make me cry or something that'll really touch me and hopefully you know i can keep doing that with other people you open this book the second patient so if you don't like how i do things or how i say things or how i spell things you can kindly fuck off seriously and then you're supposed to say wrong but i think that was probably the plan what you just said um or maybe you were seriously you just like that's right um so look like it's quite you're a fucking badass bella does that ever backfire all the time really oh shit oh shit like when like ever in relationships um no no actually not not so much i'm actually very um what's it called uh i'm i usually never i like to say that i never pick an argument but that's not true but it's more of like i don't like like if i'm dating somebody and you don't get really so all of a sudden you start to notice these things about the person you're like oh this kind of bugs me yeah well they're always like well they mention it right and they're like oh this thing like or can you shave your legs or like this or that or some shit let's say and like for me if i notice some shit that is a red flag or something i don't like like i just don't say anything about it like it's not it's not even like letting it slide i'm like well i started dating you so then if i change you i'm not gonna like the person that you become because i liked you for literally yourself like you know but you like you like the portion of them that you knew and saw and as a relationship getting more complex you know i mean i think any healthy relationship is a bit of molding with each person there's a bit of pushing pool i just don't i just don't personally like you know like if something's gonna really fucking bug me but what's gonna really bug me that much like you know like no no i go to the bathroom with the door open like it's funny because i think this whole what you're saying is also kind of like a whole precautionary tale to getting into relationships too fast too because if you spend a little bit of time figuring a person out and spend time to hang out with them you might see those like five beforehand you can pull back pull back yeah see me i just can only do long-term relationships i've got a serious problem i don't like to date i don't like to be lonely and i'm just like oh hop back into another two-year relationship hold on give me a minute i think it goes like hand in hand too with like being passionate and artistic like i just feel like that's all rolled into that same thing like you're a lover you're passionate you're artistic that's just who you are and when i'm like getting off upset i'm exhausted or some shit like i don't want to like oh if i'm like you know horny and lonely then i want like my one person that's like there and i'm like oh cool like then we're gonna be in your favorite show like same shit top ramen with parmesan on top like let's just like you know so when does being a badass fire oh yeah all the time i'm tired dude as far as far as this morning did i did 12 rounds i did 12 fucking rounds all right so easy uh i think i got like two to me i got a lot of body shots in my rounds 12 rounds i only got two hits he doesn't take it easy as far as it's tough bro as well as being a badass backfire um all the time you know like when uh just i think being a badass is just being honest in a sense in this world honesty this day and age is just so rare that when you're honest you're all of a sudden a badass but it's really just like bro just being honest over here like everybody thought that i came on twitter and like oh my god that's so badass and i was just like i mean i just oh that was that was someone tweeted you said are you bisexual i was just like yeah that's literally all you said yeah that's what you're coming out yeah that's my whole thing i think i think authenticity and relatability are the two biggest things you can have and especially your conversations in there and also even just now on the show about mental health when we started talking about depression and anxiety on the show and how people can work to combat those and by the way feel free to talk about it in front of mass amounts of people the feedback we got in those mental health conversations were greater than any bullshit like people want to hear about shit because it's real and it's things that like okay so it used to be kind of like oh my one friend is like depressed or like the depressed girl in school or like this thing and now you look around and it's every one of your friends it's almost every other person you meet on the street this generation is literally so depressed i really think obviously phones you know it's addictive it's a high you know it might as well be a literal drug it's very in your face all the time something that we can't escape imagine a drug being pushed in your face every second of the day everywhere you look to your left or your right um it's a dopamine yeah they actually are proving that it's the dopamine hit and when you're creative and you're using your imagination you're outside of the front part of your brain that controls it's like 20% of your brain so our phones keep us in it so we don't have time to go into 80% of our brain that holds the creativity that's from that article when we read about boredom the death of boredom is great great boredom has driven so many great ideas in this world i'm sure like when spacex was thought of when a lot of these ideas were thought of it was through sitting somewhere with nothing to do and now we're never bored because someone just posted some new app and so like that death of time to sit and like think about what could be we said this in ohio andre you heard us jake and i were walking around like i think a bagel shop on saturday morning and it's just kind of gloomy and there's nothing to do we're like no fucking wonder we started making videos there is nothing to do here like and then i picked up um this weird like yo-yo device called the diablo and i was like why do i know why that's impressive bro i could have sworn you whipped up since you're a kid i was because you just pick up these random hobbies and you got sucked into entertainment so young and i think that was your outlet in a way i will say one thing about the phones i think that um us as bigger companies should obviously go out of their way to try and control this narrative that just keeps just like drowning us you know there's got to be some type of algorithm i think with instagram they should really um snap down sorry tana on facetune and photoshop oh shit not like this not like this oh my god hey tana just went off on it hey happy birthday i have a question for the two of you actually how do you guys think oh wow she went in she really left for it she's a hot is there some facetune on that that's why she looked exactly like that right now i know i'm like you shave your vagina and face shave or shave how do you shave your vagina and face and on your outfit do you want to make me like like it's like a little like let's see more tana this is you're really doing it this is rich and compelling on lego back to uh back to reality here um how do you how do you two think that your content is affecting that mental health conversation do you think it's improving mental health or do you think some of your content has contributed to that problem it's a great question my literal content yeah yeah both of you guys um have we contributed to mental health um you've definitely helped out soon um i mean yeah i'm constantly having this kind of this conversation i think that this book a lot will help people every time that i've read it at a reading or anything i'll pick a few pages and the amount of people that come up to me and tell me their stories of abuse is honestly really disgusting and saddening it's it's like a lot of fucking people in the room it's just it's really disturbing it makes me um one of my last interviews i just cried so hard after because i just heard this this sad story and it just like oh it got me so good and i had to walk out in paparazzi and i just like have this make this fake-ass smile on my face and i'm just like damn like this shit is really dark um so i think that in ways like that um i'm trying to think of a way that i didn't help and i mean i guess in general like if you're looking at me and you're like oh like this is like one of those celebrities that's like you think oh it's so perfect and happy and like oh look at like what she has and like this and that and all those things and yeah it's never gonna make you feel good about anybody or anything you know instagram is literally just a form of like look at all the most amazing things i have in my most amazing stuff that's not actually used that's why i've tried to go and especially more on the last two years on my side on my whole instagram my whole public image is like trying to be the most like uh like like like look at me look my worst in a sense like this is my worst that's totally dope as well like you know but that's super great that's super great thanks it definitely makes me a target for ridicule that's that's for sure how about you over there lp hey i wrestle with this a lot too because my approach is a little maybe because i'm like a man and you know i grew up playing sports i'm a fucking man i pooped just now yeah i heard it you started yeah um quick little shirt no i my approach is a little more like head down you can do it believe in yourself don't let anyone tell you no or you can't um and i've not always in the past been as maybe vulnerable as i should be because i i'm i wonder what's more effective i would love to hear um the audience's opinions on this like are you more inspired or do you feel more yourself when people or your influencers or idols are telling you that you can and to be positive or when you see your idols being more human and vulnerable and more real what makes you feel like you can't what makes you feel better because i don't know if there's like a right answer per se i'm sure everyone's different but it is a great question i think that persona that you create when you know you have this that's hard oh wow i think that persona that you create on instagram or social media that portrays i don't even want to call it perfection i think it's just like your ideal life like you're just using your creativity you're using your imagination to create this person i feel like how people perceive that and compare and judge also why i think it works for me is like my authenticity like you guys know me not often am i crying or truly opening up and being vulnerable it's something i'm working on obviously but it is authentic to me to be that guy who's always like i'm a fucking delusional optimist i believe anyone can do anything i like yes yes yes until yes yes until no um and until no yes until no it's even still my guess on that too by the way is i think that um bella's ability to show her her human side is potentially more valuable this would be my guess because when it comes to celebrities everywhere everyone already knows that they're winning everyone already knows that their ability their ability to be strong put their head down and grind grind grind the relatability though when someone talks about the struggles and failures they've had to get there i think it's valuable it's super valuable thank you wink i have a question can you can you can you can you can you can you can you can you can you can you can you try to get a thumbnail can you can you can you can you can you can you can you can i want to recreate this photo elon musk face what's the face he's got like the eyebrow like fish lips can we get an actual photo of it there's just smoke coming out here hold it sideways to get a little wider aspect ratio what about people that reach out to you with like mental health problems my questions because i'm sure there's so many of them how do you like try to re-engage once when people provide actual issues i'm sure you see messages all day like i want to know myself like all these things do you do you ever respond or is it just impossible it's okay so it depends on what it exactly says if you write me that you're going to kill yourself in any tweet um i won't respond because i have dealt with a lot of um in my own personal experience of when you get to the gratification that you're looking for which is somebody being like don't do it please don't do it you're so strong therefore you keep going back to that mindset whenever you need somebody to tell you that again but the problem is is going to that first mindset in general you know that is kind of a trigger effect and i think it's almost a teaching thing that's like you know when you're like somebody help me somebody help me you're literally saying someone please help me right now and instead of saying it in the sense of well i'm gonna kill myself if you don't help me that i think just teaches the mind to go there immediately every single time so no but when people reach out to me about mental health in general problems they're experiencing or their family or this and that yeah then it's then it's always a bigger conversation to be had because every scenario with this somebody asked me to like give advice to kids in my situation i was like i can't really give advice because every situation is so differently unique when it comes to this type of background that i'd have to have a one-on-one conversation with someone to actually give them advice about their specific scenario because the lines here they're very thin and and it's hard to you know not cross any of them because it's such a it's such a tough thing have you have you ever had to deal with medications um i am personally don't believe in a pill i want to even take an anvil or a tinel really my period it's oh it's so bad how come that's one i've heard this before like mad noble but also like sometimes the apple just gets rid of my headache and it's awesome i know but it's a blood thinner it's a really strong blood thinner and um you know my dad he uh he had a lot of he died from a heart attack technically a motorcycle accident but his heart gave out on him and you know just um i just i also have a fear of pills like i try to take vitamin i try to force myself and a lot of times i have to literally just grind them into my smoothies which tastes disgusting because i literally also don't like taking pills like i think i have a literal fear of like you ever think it's sprinkling down your joint and just smoking some vitamin d ah that sounds awful what the fuck i don't know not recommended not recommended at all it's like when you eat a fry and like the sharp end gets jammed in your throat is that what you're afraid of um um i don't know honestly i do know that that's just me personally you know um but i know a lot of friends that are on medication and they love it and you know it really does make a difference and help them so again it's so specific to your situation yeah we talked about medication quite a bit on the show i think that i think the end point for it was medication being used to get you to a point where you're stable enough to actually attack the problems that are causing the situation for you is something that makes sense if you're in a really bad place and you need it to get to a place to have a fighting chance then that makes sense but i also don't agree with like years and years and years of taking meds but not handling the problem not making change in your life for seeing a therapist yeah i just pulled up this uh the statistic that says u.s suicide rates are the highest events since world war ii so playing on pills and mental health like we're definitely in a scary remember when i said like everybody around you all your friends every single person in this room has serious depression and it used to be just a thing where you're like oh this one person you knew or these two people you knew but now it's literally basically the whole generation in a sense it's it's really scary i don't think it's a whole generation i think i think it's a huge percentage yes it's 2016 there was 6.1 million uh children with adhd so you have a passage about that or add what's the difference we know that's a disorder hyperactivity this is the same you have a hair right here and i'll be a shit friend if it's anything it's not a big deal i just noticed it no it's like right it's like kind of like foreign yeah you got it you got it there you go somebody call it add add i call it the signs of a creative mind and i really believe that i think so too do you think you have add or adhd um i think that i definitely probably have a lot of things um and i was watching this thing recently on adhd which i actually hadn't done that much research into it and man when they talk about the routines that is like good to keep you in and like just like the brain the way the things it goes to and like uh they talk about like you know working out and literally just putting yourself in routine and i constantly crave routines like it's it's really weird like i'll be like for three months i ate burgers for breakfast lunch and dinner okay a lot of burgers and then all of a sudden just done with it like it was just i am really weird about routines and i think that it's because my body is craving it in that sense and i might definitely have these are so strong yeah routines are everything kevin hines um one of my friends who actually survived a suicide path off the golden gate bridge said routine was one of the strongest things that helped him uh escape his depression uh because he just helps send different things every day takes 30 days for him to have it and 90 days to what's like what's the step up from like a behavior a behavior i think that was it he's got he does what um five or six 23 minute workouts per day at a specific time he's so structured about it but it's a routine is literally one of those are is ritalin still being prescribed for kids with adhd people are nodding at me so yes i haven't heard about it in a long time uh adderall and riddle are central nervous system stimulants to treat attention deficits. That's pretty much the same thing. Hey, can we do a segment? We do segments on the show.

I think I have a fun one that we can break up a little bit. And if Mike could open the soundboard. I always forget that. One, one, one.

You know, fuck this shit. The segment's called more than 280. I have a PowerPoint here, as we do. Dylan made it.

Shout out, Dylan. Yeah. Oh, thanks. Here we go.

Let's do a segment. There we go. Let's do a fucking segment. The segment's called more than 280.

Oh, you didn't hear it. Let's do a segment. Character limit on Twitter, 280 characters. But I want to read some of your tweets and have you dive into them more than what we see on Twitter.

Here we go. Okay, I hate hitting on girls. Like, why is it so hard? I don't know what to say besides you're fucking beautiful.

Do you often find yourself not knowing what to say when you're hitting on girls? Is that different from hitting on guys? It's very different. As well as because, like, you know, with guys, it's like, most of the time, you know, like, I have a lot of guy friends in general.

But, like, a good amount of guys that come up to me and I'm like, what, you like me? Like, I just have to kind of assume in a sense that you do just in case you try something that I'm not like, oh, I didn't know. Like, you know, like, I'm just kind of already going to assume that maybe you might make a move on me. And I'm just very open.

Like, I'm just like, oh, yeah, can I get your number if I like somebody and they're like, didn't ask me for mine or something. But with girls, it's like, you know, do they want to be besties? Do they think I'm trying to be besties? Like, when I'm like, yeah, we should hang out.

Like, give me your number. And they're like, oh, my God, totally. Like, let's go out to lunch. And I'm like, yeah, let's go to lunch.

Is it because you don't know if you're trying to make out or if they're just trying to be a friend? Like, what in your James Charles territory where you're hitting on straight women? Yeah, do you know if they're straight or not straight? Exactly.

I don't know. You don't really know. And I won't say much about the James Charles situation, but I did stick up for him on Insta and Snap because I also was like, but what if I'm a guy and I go and I just hit on this girl? Well, she's not necessarily like reciprocating this to me.

Like, I don't know until I try. And she says no. And when she says no, then you say, okay, bye. You also have a problem with it.

It's like, with me, kind of the same thing with girls is I'm like, oh, my God, you're so fucking beautiful. And they're like, oh, my God, baby, you are too. Why are you skin so good? And I'm just like, uh...

Is there a secret look? What is it? What if you say to them, this is a good question, you want to get out of here? Like, when you say you want to get out of here to somebody, you know, that feels so like...

You don't like it? Not even on that one. I feel like it's a sexualizing. I've seen this in movies.

The girls are hanging out and all of a sudden they just start making out. And I don't know how it could happen any other way. I'm just not... Is there like some...

I just have to get good at feeling the vibe, right? How did you feel Tana's vibe? How did you know it? What's up, Tana?

The first time I met her, she literally, I didn't even... She was like, hey, can I get a photo of us kissing? That was like the first thing she said to me. Tana, are you fine?

We've had a conversation with us on this one. Wow, what's your sex? Yeah, she is. I said I really don't like boxes, Logan, but I'm sorry.

Oh, that's right. But you're fine, Bella, yeah? I'm also panse. I didn't know the actual...

I feel like also another thing that's really bad in our community in general is like if you don't know something, why you're beating down I'm so hard for not knowing, but the only way to teach somebody something is by teaching them and not beating them down for not knowing. So I didn't actually know the difference between pansexual and like I just knew that it was different than bi. So somebody explained it to me the other day when I asked and I was like, do I sound really stupid? Do you hate me?

And she was like, no, no, no, stop. It's great to ask a question. I was like, okay, all right. That was nice, you know?

And now I can spread the message. She would have beat me down for it. I wouldn't be here talking about it. You know what I'm saying?

So it works like that better. But it basically means like I like what I like. I don't have a preference. I like the soul in a sense.

Like, you know, it doesn't really matter to me at all who she, them, he, they. It's just if I like a vibe. And so that's when I like that. Vi is just like girl or bi.

I mean, girl or guy. Yeah. So as far as I know, don't beat me up over it, guys. As far as I know, please teach me a lesson.

Don't fucking beat me up over it. Oh my God. So when you're pansexual, that goes out to like transgender. Yeah, I'm just down.

How about as far as like BCL? Like where? I'm just curious. Like, does it, is the line ever?

I'm just making a joke. I was curious. I'm literally curious. Do you think me sitting in a costume?

Not you. No, not you. I just mean like if someone is saying like I'm pansexual, like where is that? It doesn't include personality.

No, I'm dead serious. It doesn't include inanimate objects? I've seen a show of true life like I'm married to a bridge. That's what I'm saying.

You're married to a bridge. You're making a movie about being married to a bridge? What are the odds? Bridges are chill.

But is this an object? What's the object? I can't tell you. Come on, just say it.

No, we're writing it. I can't. Objects are more reliable, for sure. No fucking guy in this room can tell me that they did not have sex with a pillow when they were going through puberty in the age of 13, 14.

It would just happen without you even doing it. Why is this coming out of my penis here now? That's what happened. Yo, the first time I came, I was like, what is this?

I didn't know. So I went to the store, I bought condoms and I was like, I'm going to collect it and find out what's happening. They never gave me the talk, dude. My dad never told me what masturbating was ever or anything about sex, which is so odd.

We're so open. I had to discover it on my own. And guess what? You hump your body pillow one too many times, bro?

And the little hole forms there and the orgasm four times is good. Oh, wow. You saw it in that one show. What's that one show?

The Big Mouth? Big Mouth. If anyone's seen here the cartoon Big Mouth, the dude's in love with a pillow. Can I help myself on something?

I skipped the pillows and went to down comforters. Like a good grip on a down comforter because it's nice and soft and a little bit less pressurizing and texturless. Did you ever have sex with an animal object growing up? No.

Must be nice. I'm fucking embarrassed. I'll Photoshop on the platform. This isn't good for the psyche.

I think we can lower suicide rates. That is what I think. But what about all the Instagrams? We were talking about this and it's like you have to create some type of algorithm that literally says, okay, this is used through specifically Facetune and then it says, okay, now this was used to edit like this type of thing, like the body or things that like you do whatever you want to your photo.

But in my general opinion, having this whole like, okay, first of all, stop it. You're fucking beautiful. I tell Tana this all damn day. Oh my God.

Like literally, but I know, I know and it's insecurities and I get it, I get it. And I'm very insecure on a lot of things, but as well as when you look up those ratios and look at how bad we're getting, we have to do something. And unfortunate, yes, it would be a little bit of a slap on the wrist. I'm sorry, you can't edit your body or your butt to look bigger or like you look more perfect.

I'm sorry, but also, would you rather that or would you rather these suicide rates keep going up higher and higher and higher and highest they've ever been? Like there just has to be, this isn't, I don't say it is necessarily the answer, but there has to be something that these huge platforms are going to go out of their way to do to watch it because they are really in the wrong in the sense that they are letting this happen all over their platform. They let bullying happen. They do this.

They let all these kinds of things and look at what we're doing now. So we have to do something to at least try and help. Like my goodness, these platforms. You may know this.

They've Instagram started. They started beta testing removing likes on photos. Did you know that? I did hear about that, yeah.

So to say like by Bellthorne and others. You think that's the first step? I think that that is definitely a really interesting one and it might take us a while of like suicide rates maybe picking up more because it's just everyone's like so used to what they're used to and now all of a sudden, hold on, this is such a big change, but I think that it would definitely help in the long run for sure. It's just that the immediate change it would have, we would probably see it as like, oh fuck, like maybe this wasn't the best idea but in the long run, yeah, definitely.

It's just it's going to take us a while to get used to and like like it. I got a text from somebody yesterday that you know and David knows actually which is super interesting. You might know her too that she's almost done with an app that can detect photoshopping. It's almost done.

It's almost done. It's so funny. It's so funny that we're having because literally yesterday she texted me like it's been in the works for two years. That's awesome.

People are finding out right now this is from the Guardian that social media platforms are using the same techniques as gambling firms to create psychological dependencies and ingrain their products in the lives of their users and the same methods activate the same brain mechanisms as cocaine and these users to experience phantom notification buzzing. Every time you see it it's like it gives your mind like basically doing a line of hope. Every time you see it. Every time you see it.

Boom, boom, boom, boom. It's literally designed to do that too. Has your phone ever, have you ever heard a buzz and you grab your phone and it didn't buzz? I mean Spencer, when you ask these types of questions what do you want from me guy?

Like okay, sure I made a mistake. Also another question. Whose phone's buzzing bro? Whose phone's still buzzing?

Does anyone here have their UF vibration? It's not just about the buzz it's about literally the notification banner not coming across. I try to but have you ever been in bed with someone who has that vibration on and someone's like blowing them up in the middle of the night and you're just saying they're like do you want to check that? Because like it's jail you just want to check it.

Black Mirror just came out with an episode about this it's called smithereens. Great series by the way this new season is fun. It's not the best ever. Some of the episodes are good.

I love it. We got into an argument about it. You may have seen it. Follow us on Instagram.

All right, here's the next one. Bella Thorne I'm bored of being lonely I just want you. Lovin Paul Was this about me? Like what happened to you?

And when I saw this I was like I was gonna text you be like yo like I can be there but I don't know I think I was like working out or something. But what was going on here? I was about to say You couldn't just stop the swell sash to go take care of BT? How many relationships have you been in?

Is that why? Look man I got a lot of things to work on. I love the gym more than me. But yeah I'm bored of being lonely I just want you.

Yeah that's basically my whole mental idea in general like I said earlier I'm a relationship hopper and I just stay in long term relationships kind of one after another. I don't like dating around I don't like being lonely I'm a very lonely person and I try to work on it all the time actually and it's a really difficult thing to beat I will say but when I'm alone in bed at night I feel like the most vulnerable like let me just use a little flower please come back I've walked in and doing that before I'm like oh Logan what's good? What kind of flower are you? I'm just curious took pictures of flowers when I was young I don't know what that is I think I know what that is I'm a petunia I would be an orchid because it doesn't bloom like once and then it just fucking and if you touch the petals you're just slowly killing it that's like me if you ruffle my feathers I fall apart don't ruffle me bro that's it that's the end of the segment that was cool so I like diving in your mind with those tweets and I want to dive in your mind with a passage here in your book I want to read it because this one specifically to be honest I don't know what the fuck a lot of this book is awesome and I love it and there's a quarter of it where I can compare it to talking to someone on acid like if I'm being honest I just what happened to your face?

I tried to cut my own eye open with a box cutter what's it look like? a cat scratch me and then there's a cat with a box cutter saying he he he what is this about? it's an analogy it basically means like when someone's like oh are you okay and you're like yeah like a cat scratch me like no I tried to cut my eye open with a box cutter what's it fucking look like? it's basically saying when you're in that type of state of mind you know that is kind of how you feel and then you know when you're in grief and people get really upset because they're like oh I'm so sorry and you're like well you didn't kill him or like you didn't do it like sorry like what do you mean?

and people feel really like empty statements by that that is kind of what I'm referring to gotcha here's one coincidences are for losers don't be a pussy it's right in front of you this one I wrote for myself because I constantly say like coincidence whoa that's weird that's weird and I was just like it's not a coincidence man like the universe is just strung together and it's just not a fucking coincidence if it's right like look at it it's right in front of you that to me in a sense is a sign that you're either on the right path or you've been there done that before so in a sense you are on the right path I think coincidences and I constantly have to say this to myself all the time and I'm like oh my god what a coincidence and I'm like do you think everything you've written in this book is going to hold true for the rest of your life do you feel pretty solidary are you a changing movie if you notice I put a lot of dates on things because a lot of things I wrote like some of the things I wrote when I first turned 18 between 18 and 19 and I was like really figuring myself out and had so many questions that I literally could just my brain was going to explode with all these questions and I put them in there so that you know that this is where I started and here is my progress and as you get older my thoughts are going to change my opinions will change they'll vert back they'll keep going are you going to make volumes of these so this is the first one and then there will be the second one and the third so you talk about coincidences when you got involved in the Disney funnel was that a weird coincidence because I read somewhere you only did that because you were about to become homeless and you needed money we were yes we were we were a very poor family growing up and then we got money at one point and then my mom got very sick and my father and all these other things happened and then when we came up to LA it just got harder and harder and more struggling and more struggling and then shake it up and it wasn't I didn't watch Disney growing up The Grudge was one of the first movies I really saw and loved I've only ever watched and my sister actually loved Disney stuff and I'm actually named after Belle so really I was supposed to be but I just never did and I was on Big Love at the time on HBO and that was just like not really scraping us by at all you know when you're on such a big show so amazing and then it was like shake it up or what's your other option did you know about Big Love we talked about that was the polygamy show correct the show about polygamy was it based in Utah and what was your role in that again I played Tansy Henrickson was it a Mormon yeah so we talked about the trauma you've had in your life and you've experienced at such a young age was there ever a point where you made it per se and it made it better for you did your success ever give you a sense of relief oh definitely when we were able to like eat lots of food that was you know that was like different food like you know it's quite hard to explain but I did this KFC commercial and so they sent us a bunch of frozen chicken and so that was all we had for a while and then these like sofas like coupons that we got from this event and then that and so it was nice to like go to Olive Garden and like go you know like do things like that like that was so cool and I remember when my mom got me my first nice day in like an MCM bag and like that was such a cool crazy moment of like oh we're able to do this kind of now and then you know after Shake It Up like obviously Shake It Up was a very short time only three years and so and so and so that then it was hard again for a minute and then you know then it picked up again able to make more money and social media came about and then i got an instagram and you know that started happening so even when you were making it you were going through a lot of shit and there's this clip of you i don't have to play it um but you know this one where you were talking about um being abused at a young age and this is actually when i reached out to you um how did that affect you being a young blossoming hollywood star i mean i think that it probably was one of the reasons why i felt like i was so drowned and i was in such a dark place growing up and i contemplated suicide and there's just like a lot of things and i think it was because it was such a crazy thing of like everyone knows everything about you but this one thing that's so big and makes you literally who you are it's literally changed me as a person completely and nobody and it's happening for so long and then all these people are around and you're just hiding this big secret and it's so weird and everyone's just there but nobody is saying like it's just it was it just made me feel like i was literally encased in this not a doll but like this thing and i'm literally like a black mirror episode just like beating on the inside it just it made me literally feel like i was completely drowning and i'm writing a series right now and i have a scene that really totally puts the character very much there um and it's just this feeling of i don't know another way to describe it besides like drowning like right before you have a panic attack if you ever had a panic attack so like the moment right before you have a panic attack where you feel like it's it's like it's quite indescribable it's it's that's how i felt for a lot of my years growing up um because you know it was only uh when i was 18 i moved out he moved out a week after me so it's like so just crazy i mean like 18 like i was like hella famous by that like what the fuck literally what the fuck it's so weird you know he's there the whole entire time he drove me to set he was you know in my dressing room he uh you've never revealed who this person was um no yeah i didn't i thought about that one too in the book um i i don't know but i think that one i it was already such a big moment for me to kind of go out about this um so then it was like then they'll know what he looks like and they'll imagine it and they'll just put him there you know and i just don't really um i don't know and going after him i talk about that a lot in the book too of like this self-hatred i have because the police you know they make they make their victims feel like villains and you know so many people don't ever report the abuse and that's there's not a question oh why not why do you think of course because of this system and so for me i have i have such a hard time i call it it's called selfish in there and it's literally about me being selfish i am selfish because i won't just put myself through the pain of describing every story in detail that i've spent so long trying to forget and have reworked my mental brain so that i don't have flashbacks all the time and to go back there again over and over and over and watch somebody look at you and basically has to question if you're lying at every point in time when you're just trying to tell your story that i think might um might really hurt me on the inside like it might break me in a sense you know and i call it selfish yeah because it just seems very selfish and i just have to give myself the chance not to be selfish do you think you'll ever reach a point where uh you feel like expressing yourself and just letting everything out will make you feel better to live the rest of your life i'm hoping that's what this book will do you know um i for so long have felt so like weird when all these people like you know i feel like so many people just hate me in a sense and like it's you know definitely gets to me and it's really hard because everyone around me is always like well if everyone just knew you'd be like they love you like you know you're just you're you and with this book it was one of the things of besides the mental disarray it was kind of like here i am reading like an open book like i'm literally right here like this is my mental shit when tana read some of the first few pages she was really like you haven't even told me some of this shit why are you putting this in the book this is so out there and now i'm just like hopefully that will make me feel better because i really do feel like um you know i never went to therapy but like the first time i had to tell someone about what had happened and then that was the worst time ever the first time is always going to be the worst so then if you talk about it more and more and more and you almost it sounds fucked up but normalize it in your mind it starts to hurt less every single time and so i think that this will help me a lot um i'm hoping of course it will help other people but it is selfish in the sense that this is you know i want this book to really help me um mentally like really i don't know like open my brain i don't know i guess i'm always searching for an answer and you know i'm thinking maybe this book will be it i don't know do you have a message to um any other girls out there that have had that happen to them do any words of you know courage or strength or anything like that that you want to say to someone who's been through the same thing that you have um um as i was saying earlier you know you can't really give advice to anybody on this uh scenario without knowing the you know there you know there's there's so many lines that you can't really give advice because everything is so unique you know you could say to somebody like oh well uh well we'll tell your mom well what if your mom doesn't believe you or what if your mom beats you for it or what if your father does this to you for it or you know oh well go tell this person what if that person tells the whole school and then everybody thinks that you're um this thing you know like there's this it's just really specific but what i will say is you just have to literally keep fighting because there's too many times in my life where i thought that maybe fighting wasn't worth it anymore but it just is it is every single time and after you get beaten down again and again and again you have to just keep fighting even when you feel like it might kill you because what's better being yourself being out of that situation getting to live your life the way you should be allowed to and not be taken advantage of or death i'd rather fight this day to death than let it happen again and again and again you know and that is what i didn't do then and i wish i had and i was so young and i was so like you know it started when i was the first thing the first time i can remember is when i was six and that wasn't the first time that was after it had already been happening so i don't know but it was so normal that i didn't know it was wrong for so long and that is something is so hard to mentally get past that in stockholm syndrome are two of the most fucked up things that in this situation you hate yourself for it you feel disgusting but you're not a bruised fruit your fruit is still beautiful you still buy at supermarket it's not good what's the what's the go-to um like uh direction from people in authority or in the health community or mental health community in terms of what people should do if they have been through this are they direct are like are we supposed to direct people in the audience that may have been through it to talk to a therapist to talk to someone they trust at their school like i understand what you said about you know if you tell your best friend she may tell the school if you tell your mom she may be jealous who is the good person to talk to if you're dealing with something like this i've talked to therapists about trauma that i've been through it's been helpful i was just curious why a therapist wasn't something that you ever because therapy wasn't a thing in our family but i'm also was raised you know like this is different now when i was younger it was still normal to beat the shit out of your kids so let me tell you nobody was looking like that was weird it is not normal now i got thrown down the stairs a couple times great call i deserved it no i deserved it he says that is not true he maintained no child deserves to be thrown down the stairs um did he give you like a little shove or was it like a full out like it was it was it was strategic bro like i mean okay there were three stairs it was like a staircase that led to another staircase there was three stairs and he threw me down i hit the wall and he was fine bro i was fine and like maybe he turned out just fine right i feel fucking great yeah that's why you had that lump in your school yeah maybe he was just testing the drywall out who knows but i'm sure he had a reason shout out greg i don't know man i love you greg even though you sold that pickup truck no no i don't know violence violence all right mister b-man to what's the best way to discipline your kid having mental control over your child is the best way come on control come on i am your i'm your parent and so therefore like the repercussions it should not be to abuse them those repercussions are never going to work one two it's fucked up morally i don't know if abuse is the right word but abuse implies a repetition to me to me so you're saying he threw you down the staircase once and he never touched your hair on your head after that me this is like as a little kid no i was not abused i was disciplined well sure it may have been a little more physical than the average parent but also i turned out a little more average than the average person we're not spankings and so did jake by the way there's two of us like something as fucked up as we are something did go right in our childhood um i think discipline like discipline is a completely different thing than like throwing someone downstairs like you can i hit the wall flat gps argued this throw for the longest time i don't know if this is a name in logan's head you know what's fucked up is that logan normalizes it as that i deserve it and that's honestly the worst part i don't think so i don't think so i'm saying horrible because now i'm saying i don't know if that really happened like who's it it happened i'm sorry logan doesn't happen you know i'm just i think i'm not a victim i'm a fully functioning human being man but you don't know what kind of traumas you hold on to you really don't like if that's the traumas i hold on to are not you should just do the whole show wow you should just 100 in your life everything that happened to you when you were younger you don't even notice at all they're all it's like an onion you have that thing happen and you put another layer another layer all these layers go on top of it and then you peel it back your eyes just water more yeah the deeper you get the more fucked up right can i say by the way balance dude like don't punch your kids in the face don't throw them down the stairs i ain't against a little spanking i saw a video a while back recently about a kid who's at his graduation he was a four or five year old kid maybe i'll even pull it up you know what i'm talking about i saw one in the bathroom and the kid was yelling at his dad in the bathroom like i want to ask you i want to find this video because it's in the same vein i want to find this video and ask you how you would discipline this kid but that's hard because it's like but look at how you raise that kid that you let that kid get there to even think that okay what i'm saying about um mental control is authority you have authority over your children and if you have literally like you know you know just put that in their smoothie every single day until they're older then you shouldn't have to be disciplining your children by throwing them down the stairs you have to lead by example like i think a perfect example is parents always tell you you got to eat your vegetables and their plate is just there's nothing in your bed but they don't yeah you do what you watch are you listening yeah we're kind of just vibing we're preaching to the bar over here i really don't i took on this channel to find this gosh dang video here's one what what went wrong here what do you do what do you do you don't say shut the fuck up in front of your children i was about to say when they do learn not school you have to really find a way between you and your partner of and you have to do that while you're you know like you don't do that like after all of a sudden the problems are coming up oh no let's deal with them now let's cross that bitch when we get to it you know with your partner that you should be having these discussions especially so that you both agree and you don't go into some relationship not agreeing with how you both want to raise your children because that can also be just a recipe for disaster but i mean like i feel bad for that kid like i'm just now thinking of the scenario where his mom or dad is yelling at one another yelling at him saying shut the fuck up and then it's just kind of sticking in his mind and it is now coming out in a place where clearly he feels uncomfortable i mean we get like you know so many people in here to really diagnose this kid with how many fucked up things have probably happened in his life that he feels they need to have an outburst like that all right well hey should we do the audio only i think it'd be nice it's like this but it's audio only yeah you can still smoke people just won't see it just make more noises with it so people don't see it i can't smoke that's why she does it for the people uh bella thank you so much for coming on impulsive today for real um the life of a wannabe mogul mental disarray volume one is out july 23rd uh where can they buy it is it gonna be in barnes and nobles uh-huh barnes and nobles we got it yeah we out here dang that's awesome a little bit black or red because you talked about the colors the first one is red um yeah okay great buy the book i'm gonna keep this one uh thank you so much well you can find her on instagram at bellathorn very obvious follow us on instagram at possible show and subscribe we're gonna do audio only with bella right now we're gonna get juice we're gonna be spotify and itunes it's way exclusive we love you thank you for listening see you next time peace well i think i'm high now i think i got contact you guys are over there bro i'm high as a kite hey when are you trying to have kids bella what are you trying to have kids no um but i would love kids of course any specific age um i would love kids when i i always i would say like i want to be so rich by the time i have kids i know it sounds terrible but i just want to i know that working moms like i love it like i i love it but i personally want to spend so much time like really studying my kid and like i don't know like i just have a feeling that after i have kids i'm gonna be like all right work's going on hold for a good day over here and i'm gonna want to like do some crazy things for these kids and i don't know because i want to give which is not not a good not a good thing i want to give my kids everything they want because of course i never had anything so that's not the best way to raise your kids but of course i know that i will be i know because it's valid and it's a concern i don't want to raise a kid in la i think that's what i said i don't want to raise a kid in la out of my mind yeah i want to go to arkansas little rock arkansas where they have to play with trees for fun yeah you gotta be careful with places like that too as well though because there's crazy some of the places where there's really nothing else to do those kids get really heavy into drugs because there's nothing else to do starting from a young age in high school high school it was called heroin high that was a nickname what really it's called high school nickname heroin high because there's so many yeah yeah where might grow up i mean because there's nothing else to do yeah my city was called milford but everyone called it pilfered because there's so many ic80s floating around we got drowned in those pills that's so great that's another thing like you know i don't have a kid right now one i think i'm too young too um because i'm like i this education system a lot of these systems like like i'm a really weird i'm probably more on the hippie side of like moving to a community with other hippie people that we all raise our children in this classroom in a sense that is like you know their own classroom or something that has multiple different tutors in and out all the time getting them like i want to teach my kids about agriculture and like literally how to fucking grow shit okay because in this universe look at what we're doing we're just killing everything so like things to me that are like you know like there's some math things where you have to learn so much in math that you don't use but then some of the other things math are actually really important and you don't pay attention to those because you spend so much time learning the shit that you're kind of like oh that just goes to the back of my mind and it just sits there and then it just dissipates slowly like you know i want to be so specific on the things to teach my children that that's another reason that i wouldn't want to have kids in the news this soon future because i just haven't figured out a hundred percent what i think about all that standardized tests are we're really screwing it up yeah i got really good score on those though dude so well yeah i mean that's the problem though is that we're pressuring kids to go for high scores and we're forcing tons of yeah we know psychologists know that when you force a bunch of information in a short period of time the brain can't process all that the brain needs resting time so we have all these pressures to prepare for tests your brain can't handle that there's also that study they did that says like uh the time that we start school the first like like the first two to three hours is like it's gone if the brain doesn't kids are chronically sleep deprived that's what they're discovering as well nine or ten ten is the optimal time to start school because kids when they're developing like 7 38 yeah my morning bell for a spirit 7 35 kids are kids are chronically brain injury don't retain the information that they learned in the first two to three hours they don't like the brain doesn't actually retain information that is fucked up and why don't we fix that because we don't care that's not a big deal to us but it is because it's raising our generations in our future like what do you mean that is where exactly you should start is with the education system because that is how the universe keeps going guys like what are you doing over here i think i think i think the generation right under gen z the next one the newest one i think they're gonna be fucking geniuses those are the ones that make you like live forever and like clone you and do all the stuff that's like technically impossible i think because i think like i think i agree with you i think yeah it's gonna take a little bit of time for like attack and like the education system to truly be flipped on its head that's not easy you know where the change starts where government in this situation no not it partially it's kind of from the top down and grassroots up because there's a lot of i think to push for it or else it will like literally exactly people have to lead it so what's happening right now which is really cool is that there's some big tech companies that are getting really involved in education so there's a lot of money that's getting pumped in instead of the government pumping money into education when the government since they've been pumping money into education it hasn't fixed it you know we haven't we haven't seen those changes yet so i think tech and what's happening in california is huge i'm getting a crazy amount of taxes where is it i don't see it on the streets i don't see it in the educational system i don't see it in a fucking the medical i don't see it anywhere where is it all going military military is where most of those they're in a lot back in the billionaires pockets too yeah yeah that's why there's such rich people definitely grassroots up and top exactly what he said 100 because if we don't as a society put our foot down and say no nothing will ever change we have to force their hand in a sense and say look we're not okay with this and we're not going to either keep giving money we're not going to like there has to be something that they have to listen to us about in order to actually flip it on its head otherwise look at the college admission scandal that took place with some of these famous moms that wanted kids to get in the usc that's like the epitome of what's going wrong right now like if you think about what is our goal with education when i was walking i have pictures on my phone i was walking in santa monica there's this there's these images of our kids are college bound and i was looking at the school and it was an elementary school and i was like what i was like they're programming they want these kids to go to college they're bragging that this elementary school gets them college ready that's what our goal in the united states is i went to finland which is the number one education system in the world their goal is to create people who are mindful mindfulness is in their curriculum their goal is to create enlightened people those times those that terminology creative imagination that's what their goals are their goals aren't to produce people for college that's the system we have in the united states we want to produce people that are college ready um well so ironically finland actually scores the best on standardized tests uh and um i think it's like i forget what the actual um the measurement with all the countries are but they spend the least amount of time in school they don't have any homework and uh they don't take standardized tests to determine where they go so standardized testing doesn't matter it doesn't determine anything because they have a free education so they have no pressure the homework was a big thing that they also mentioned in that same study that i read about um the homework just being like kids are developing they're developing they don't need homework they need to go home they need to be a kid they need to experience life so that when they go back in the morning they are more willing and ready to be there and actually pay attention because they have a life they have other things the brain can only handle a specific amount of time per day to learn and information cramming information in is not learning learning is something that comes from within people who experience it i'd love to see how fiddling compares to like china which has the most rigorous education system i mean how many hours a day are the kids in school there um 10 to 12 hours a day it's up there i went to china too for their education system japan's actually number two and they're they're kind of like what you're describing they spend tons of time in school and have tutors after school no no they're higher than the united states with standardized testing not unscoring i just need the rigorousness of the program like the kids like the kids are there all day it's much more intense it's much more intense it depends it depends on which schools but yeah it's much more intense can i completely that was great education super great to talk about uh hey can i ask you off the wall question i'm curious because you mentioned it you said you don't shave your leg hair what's the what's the theory logic mentality there because riley read doesn't either called both of us by the way as soon as you said not shaving i thought riley um i think that with shaving it's like um okay well obviously the bigger more obvious topic is the whole feminist side of it of i shouldn't have to you don't blah blah blah blah and this and that um and that is obviously something that i stand for and another thing that people don't see as much as bitch i'm lazy like you know like what like i'm gonna shave like you think in my when i never sleep i run how many businesses what am i doing how many movies do i do a year how much shit am i always doing literally you think you think in the morning when i shop oh and i'm gonna get up for an extra 20 minutes and i'm gonna get razor burn and then like you guys don't know how this is on the legs and on everywhere and on the armpit oh my god if you did you would literally be like i don't want to do this shit either okay because one it's also really painful and itchy too i don't think it's good for the skin i think it's probably really bad as well as depending on the metals and the chemicals that are in the shaver itself i'm just thinking of slicing up your legs you're taking off that first little layer and so therefore with that first layer then you're also putting what chemicals right on it every single day like i'm just thinking in my mind like that just doesn't sound healthy like i really want to get an iud but i am like oh a piece of metal right next to my uterus just sitting up there for years without taking like in my brain i'm like that just hasn't been tested long enough that just in 40 years what does that do to your uterus like i'm just thinking like i just can't i because i'm so weird about the medical system all those things i'm like oh they're all so problematic oh yeah i don't know how i feel about vaccines either i just don't know how i feel about vaccines either i just don't know how i feel without any of that i shave my balls quite awesome all right and it feels nice i like having some balls i don't say that i appreciate that i appreciate that that's super practical i don't like that's i've got two best friends that love to shave their legs because they're like it's it's clean and i don't know why she's not sure whether she's getting on sexual i can't tell she's sexual or upset or baby well or you can just tell me now because you're here she shaves her legs I've actually shaved my legs You're a swimmer Arpits suck When those grow back When your armpit grows back What time is it by the way I think it's like 6.30pm Wanna wrap it up Thank you so much We love you Thank you for having me Subscribe and rate us five stars or I'll end you