🎥 Benefit Street Partners' Michael Comparato - the opportunity in commercial real estate credit

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode brings commercial real estate credit investing to life with someone who has real estate in his blood. Michael Comparato’s grandfather started building single-family homes in upstate New York in 1946. He built his first shopping center in 1958. Michael was born into a family where he was on construction sites from a young age. At 13, he was doing landscaping. At 15, he was hanging drywall. Today, Michael is a Senior Managing Director, Head of Real Estate and Portfolio Manager with Benefit Street Partners, as well as Chief Executive Officer of Franklin BSP Realty Trust, Inc (NYSE: FBRT). He also serves on the US Executive Committee.Prior to joining BSP in 2015, Michael was Head of U.S. Equity Investments at Ladder Capital. Before that, he was President at Bank Atlantic Commercial Mortgage Capital.Benefit Street Partners is part of Franklin Templeton’s family of specialists in private markets. BSP is a specialized private credit firm with over $92B in AUM. The firm manages a wide range of private credit strategies, including direct lending, special situations, commercial real estate debt, infrastructure debt, asset-backed finance, structured credit, and liquid credit. It also manages a non-traded Business Development Company and publicly-listed mortgage REIT.Since BSP was acquired by Franklin Templeton in 2019, it has partnered with the $1.7T investment manager to expand how it structures various products and funds, enabling more access to the private credit asset class for wealth investors.From his perch as the Head of BSP’s Real Estate business, Michael has the perspective of how one of the industry’s scaled real estate investment firms is approaching commercial real estate credit and where the firm sees opportunity.Michael and I had a fascinating conversation about the evolution of CRE credit and why now might be an interesting time in the CRE credit space. We covered:Why CRE, why now.What bank retrenchment means for CRE credit investors today.The relative resilience of multi-family.The maturity wall myth.Is the “extend and pretend” activity a reality?How AI impacts commercial real estate.Thanks Michael for sharing your passion, wisdom, and expertise on commercial real estate credit.Thanks for reading Alt Goes Mainstream! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work - writing and podcasting about the convergence of private markets and private wealth since December 2020.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. 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Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.Learn more: ultimusfundsolutions.com or email [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Show Notes00:00 Meet Michael Comparato00:40 Message from Ultimus, our Sponsor02:05 Real Estate in His Blood03:18 Hands On Early Lessons03:41 Finance Meets Real Estate04:13 Hurricane Shopping Center Stories05:15 The Human Side of Property06:13 Story Over Spreadsheet07:50 Why Origination Beats Buying09:48 Family Business Ethos11:06 Relationships Still Matter12:18 Trust and Transparency12:49 Navigating Recent Dislocation14:01 Lending Through COVID14:47 Structuring for Uncertainty15:32 Boom Times Underwriting Shifts18:39 Crowded at the Top28:42 Banks Pull Back, Private Credit Steps In31:22 Banks Shed CRE Risk32:06 Who Gets Paid for Risk32:22 Euphoric Returns Fade33:09 Competition Compresses Yields33:40 Maturity Wall Myth33:59 Extend and Pretend Reality34:23 Taking the Asset Back34:42 Post Hike Loanbook Shift34:54 Hardline Loan Modifications35:54 Real Estate Credit Allocation36:46 Why Institutions Buy In38:27 Equity to Credit Rotation39:10 Wealth Channel On-Ramp40:05 Why Real Assets Win41:04 Why Now for CRE Credit43:18 Credit vs Equity Horizon44:15 Opportunity Set Today45:27 WFH and AI Megatrends48:30 Shelter Beats Disruption50:08 Communities and Reinvention52:23 Real Estate Constant Evolution55:30 CRE Credit vs Direct Lending58:03 Closing ThanksEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.Join over 16,200 Substack subscribers & followers who are thought leaders and executives from top private markets firms and wealth management like Blackstone, Apollo, Ares, KKR, EQT, Carlyle, Blue Owl, CVC, TPG, Brookfield, Vista, Goldman Sachs, J.P. 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