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EPISODE · Apr 20, 2026 · 36 MIN

Between Two Shovels Ep 21: John Merchant - Roads, Evacuation, & Growth in SE Sacramento County

from Between Two Shovels with Derek Minnema · host Derek Minnema

John Merchant has lived in Rancho Murieta for 40 years. In this episode of Between Two Shovels, he sits down with Derek Minnema to talk through what four decades of growth in southeast Sacramento County actually looks like from the ground, and why the roads connecting his community to the rest of the region have not kept pace.The conversation covers the deteriorating state of Scott Road and Grant Line Boulevard, the fire and flood risks facing Rancho Murieta, why a community of 6,000 people already cannot evacuate safely, and what it means to keep approving development without a serious conversation about emergency access.Chapters:00:00 Welcome and Introduction 00:58 40 Years in Rancho Murieta and the Stoplight Count 04:27 Scott Road, Grant Line, and a Million Trips a Year 05:34 Island of Urbanization Explained 05:57 Urban Services Boundary and Fire Risk 09:21 Development Pressure and Insurance Pullout 13:36 If We Can't Get 6,000 People Out, How Do We Get 8,000 Out? 15:02 Paradise, Maui, and Los Angeles: The Names That Changed the Conversation 16:39 Two Kinds of Disaster: Flood and Fire 19:36 What the County Study Needs to Solve 21:22 Why a Two Lane Road Is Not Enough 22:57 We Need a Real Grown-Up Route 23:59 The Landfill Road and the Case for Four Lanes 26:24 How the $25 Million Federal Grant Will Be Used 31:03 Three Floods Since 1986 and the Call to Action 33:53 Closing and What Comes NextSubscribe to Between Two Shovels for conversations with the people building, funding, and planning infrastructure across California and beyond.Between Two Shovels is produced by the Capital SouthEast Connector Joint Powers Authority and explores transportation policy, engineering, and project delivery through conversations with industry leaders.Guest: John Merchant Title: Between Two Shovels EP 21: John Merchant - Roads, Evacuation, and Growth in Southeast Sacramento County

John Merchant has lived in Rancho Murieta for 40 years. In this episode of Between Two Shovels, he sits down with Derek Minnema to talk through what four decades of growth in southeast Sacramento County actually looks like from the ground, and why the roads connecting his community to the rest of the region have not kept pace.The conversation covers the deteriorating state of Scott Road and Grant Line Boulevard, the fire and flood risks facing Rancho Murieta, why a community of 6,000 people already cannot evacuate safely, and what it means to keep approving development without a serious conversation about emergency access.Chapters:00:00 Welcome and Introduction 00:58 40 Years in Rancho Murieta and the Stoplight Count 04:27 Scott Road, Grant Line, and a Million Trips a Year 05:34 Island of Urbanization Explained 05:57 Urban Services Boundary and Fire Risk 09:21 Development Pressure and Insurance Pullout 13:36 If We Can't Get 6,000 People Out, How Do We Get 8,000 Out? 15:02 Paradise, Maui, and Los Angeles: The Names That Changed the Conversation 16:39 Two Kinds of Disaster: Flood and Fire 19:36 What the County Study Needs to Solve 21:22 Why a Two Lane Road Is Not Enough 22:57 We Need a Real Grown-Up Route 23:59 The Landfill Road and the Case for Four Lanes 26:24 How the $25 Million Federal Grant Will Be Used 31:03 Three Floods Since 1986 and the Call to Action 33:53 Closing and What Comes NextSubscribe to Between Two Shovels for conversations with the people building, funding, and planning infrastructure across California and beyond.Between Two Shovels is produced by the Capital SouthEast Connector Joint Powers Authority and explores transportation policy, engineering, and project delivery through conversations with industry leaders.Guest: John Merchant Title: Between Two Shovels EP 21: John Merchant - Roads, Evacuation, and Growth in Southeast Sacramento County

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John Merchant has lived in Rancho Murieta for 40 years. In this episode of Between Two Shovels, he sits down with Derek Minnema to talk through what four decades of growth in southeast Sacramento County actually looks like from the ground, and why...

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