Beyond Innovation Theatre: Real AI ROI in Modern Law Firms

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In today’s episode, we sit down with David Wakeling, Partner and Global Head of Markets Innovation Group at A&O Shearman, for an inside look at how one of the world’s most forward-thinking law firms is shaping the future of legal practice.We explore how A&O Shearman evaluates and implements AI, what distinguishes real legal-tech ROI from “innovation theater,” and why many firms struggle to turn experimentation into meaningful operational change. David also shares practical insights on how to build a culture of innovation and his thoughts on the true capabilities of today’s AI systems.Subscribe to the Rule of Law PodcastApple • Spotify • Amazon Music

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In today’s episode, we sit down with David Wakeling, Partner and Global Head of Markets Innovation Group at A&O Shearman, for an inside look at how one of the world’s most forward-thinking law firms is shaping the future of legal practice. We explore how A&O Shearman evaluates and implements AI, what distinguishes real legal-tech ROI from “innovation theater,” and why many firms struggle to turn experimentation into meaningful operational change. David also shares practical insights o...

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